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Friday, August 07, 2009

MLB | Brian Bannister: “If Bill James had a 90-mph fastball, he’d be me.”

Okay, so the real headline is “For Bannister, the secret is in the numbers,” but sometimes you just have to go with the juicy pull-quote.

Bannister recalls Rick Peterson, the Mets’ pitching coach at the time, talking about pitch counts. It was simple math—“If you get ahead of a guy in an 0-2 count, his batting average goes down,” Bannister says—but the message stuck.

“It got me intrigued into how different things affect my future success in this game,” Bannister says. “It’s been a process, because nobody is out there using sabermetrics as a tool in player development.

“I kind of feel like I’m a pioneer in that aspect of the game. That every fifth day when I go out there, the Major Leagues is kind of my way to apply this stuff and see if it can be used in the future for developing players.”

Bannister sees flaws in the traditional way pitchers are judged. An ERA is a good measurement of success, but it’s limited, he says.

To get a real indication of his effectiveness, Bannister looks at other stats. He looks at BABIP—batting average of balls in play—and FIP, which takes fielding out of the equation and measures pitchers based on homers allowed, walks, hit batters and strikeouts.

“I think people universally agree—in the sabermetric community and the fan community and in the media community—that sabermetrics are effective at identifying successful baseball players and ways to win this game,” Bannister says.

[...]

Bannister knows that other players might not be as easily convinced. But if any player—or any person—wants to talk numbers or advanced stats or Pitch f/x ratios, Bannister is always up for it.

“I think it’ll be a tool used for player development as soon as somebody can explain how it can be used,” he said. “I don’t think guys are going to risk their careers trying to follow something they don’t understand. That’s why I think what I’m doing is fairly unique. I’m pretty much doing it on my own as a way to get better.”

Dedicated to Esoteric but he wasn't listening Posted: August 07, 2009 at 12:24 PM | 23 comment(s)
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   1. regfairfield  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:03 PM (#3284379)
Bannister is definitely the league leader in wedgies received.
   2. snapper  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:06 PM (#3284388)
This guy is going to be a top pitching coach some day.
   3. Jon T.  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:10 PM (#3284395)
Nice article.
   4. Repoz  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:12 PM (#3284398)
This guy is going to be a top pitching coach some day.

MAD SCIENTIST!

(guzzles endless diet cokes)
   5. Zach  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:14 PM (#3284405)
Only if they threw the radar gun the other way, Brian.
   6. konaforever  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:21 PM (#3284420)
If I had Brad Pitts looks, I'd be Brad Pitt.
   7. Tripon  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:23 PM (#3284424)
Why can't Bannister do it the old fashioned way, with copious amounts of steroid usage?
   8. Chuck Van Den Corput  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:45 PM (#3284464)
Bannister is definitely the league leader in wedgies received.

Him or Ross Ohlendorf.
   9. Baseball Mogul 2003  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:52 PM (#3284476)
Only because (pitcher) Chris Young is big enough to beat up the entire team.

edit: Dammit, this account is only supposed to post in Pavano threads. Baseball needs more pitchers like Carl Pavano.
   10. Dirty Tom Rackham  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 01:57 PM (#3284482)
Sounds like Bannister is overqualified to be the Royals GM.
   11. the Tuque of Flatbush  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 02:14 PM (#3284517)
If I had the given name "Bill" and the surname "James," I'd be Bill James.
   12. Craig K  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 02:28 PM (#3284538)
Someone at one of the sabermetric sites like Baseball Prospectus, Hardball Times, or Fangraphs needs to extend a guest writing spot to Banny or Ohlendorf. I'm sure they'd accept.
   13. Swoboda is freedom  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 02:55 PM (#3284566)
Baseball needs more pitchers like Carl Pavano.

If there were more pitchers like Carl Pavano, there would be a lot less pitchers like Carl Pavano.
   14. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 03:14 PM (#3284605)
If Bill James spent most of his workday shirking his assignments and posting here, he'd be me.
   15. Sleepy supports S.S. at second  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 03:17 PM (#3284609)
The clear follow-up question that didn't get asked was: "so, if you (bannister) had a 90-mph fastball, who would YOU be?"

(I know, he hits 90 sometimes, but not usually)
   16. The Marksist  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 03:22 PM (#3284620)
This thread delivers.
   17. AROM  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 03:37 PM (#3284643)
If I had the given name "Bill" and the surname "James," I'd be Bill James.


Not me. I'd be Willie James.
   18. Brandon in MO (Fire Trey Hillman)  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 04:48 PM (#3284752)
Billy Mays: "If Bill James pitched products and used drugs, he'd be me"
   19. JE  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 05:07 PM (#3284774)
If there were more pitchers like Carl Pavano, there would be a lot less pitchers like Carl Pavano.


Originally said by Hawkeye about Colonel Flagg, right?
   20. Matthew E  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 07:50 PM (#3284924)
If I had some ham, I'd have ham and eggs, if I had eggs.
   21. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 08:59 PM (#3285047)
Billy Mays: "If I was a pitcher, I would pitch for the Royals...and yes, that accounts for the fact that I am dead."
   22. Mike Emeigh  Posted: August 07, 2009 at 11:56 PM (#3285760)
because nobody is out there using sabermetrics as a tool in player development.


Well, it depends on what you mean by "sabermetrics". Most teams do use some form of statistical analysis to evaluate players (their own and others).

-- MWE
   23. KJOK  Posted: August 08, 2009 at 12:07 AM (#3285779)
I don't think he's talking about evaluation, but instead about teaching/coaching/improving performance thru "sabermetrics".
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