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Wednesday, June 04, 2008

MLB: Brian Bannister offers insight, advice to fans

Ok...who’s the wiseass that sent saberequests in to Bannister?

Can pitchers have a noticeable impact on their BABIP (batting average on balls in play)?

For those with an interest in statistics, a pitcher’s BABIP, or the percentage of balls in play (not including home runs) that result in hits, are largely out of a pitcher’s control when averaged over the course of several years. A favorable batted-ball mix (the ratio of line drives/fly balls/ground balls/popups) can help lower a pitcher’s BABIP over the course of a season, but in general, it will migrate towards .300 over time. As pitchers, we can only control our strikeouts, walks, home runs allowed and groundball/flyball ratios (the latter based on adjusting our pitches and arm angles).

A good way to get a rough idea of what a pitcher is doing to improve his long-term sustainable ERA, independent of luck, is to look up his FIP, or Fielding Independent Pitching, on a site such as www.fangraphs.com. For example, Paul Splittorff’s career FIP was 3.72, and his career ERA ended up at 3.81, while Bret Saberhagen’s career FIP was 3.26, and his career ERA ended up at 3.34.

...The reason that a pitcher’s ERA does not always match his FIP is that the timing of his hits can vary from year to year. The luck of those hits/homers are much more detrimental with runners on base, which is recorded as percentage of runners left on base, or LOB%. A common LOB% percentage is in the 70-80% range, with anything above that range representing good luck and below that bad luck.

Therefore, you can now see how your favorite pitchers, such as Zack Greinke, are improving from year-to-year. Zack is currently posting a career-best 3.56 FIP, and has the 2.88 ERA to match because of some great pitching with runners on base and an increased ground-ball rate, which has resulted in less home runs allowed.

Repoz Posted: June 04, 2008 at 02:48 PM | 25 comment(s)
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   1. bibigon  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 02:00 PM (#2805789)
Wow is Bannister behind the times or what. Doesn't he know that DIPS/FIP have absolutely no value whatsoever and that only fools with no understanding of the game think we learned anything at all from them?
   2. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 02:06 PM (#2805794)
I would pay good American money to go to a Royals game with Gaelan with Bannister pitching. The heckling would be outstanding.
   3. 6 - 4 - 3  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 02:10 PM (#2805799)
It's awesome that a MLB pitcher is talking about sabremetrics in terms that a non-statistically inclined fan can understand in a MSM outlet.

Assuming #1 is serious, I don't think that Bannister is claiming that FIP has predictive value (he says that they are largely out of the pitcher's control). Rather that giving up fewer HR and walks while increasing K are good things, but ultimately the results can be influenced by random chance (i.e., luck) and that ERA is sometimes not indicative of how effective a pitcher has been. That may not seem like revolutionary ideas to someone who has been closely following Voros and others for the past decade or so, but it may be novel to a non-statistically inclined fan.
   4. bibigon  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 02:12 PM (#2805802)
That may not seem like revolutionary ideas to someone who has been closely following Voros and others for the past decade or so, but it may be novel to a non-statistically inclined fan.


I was making a crack at the contingent of people who think Voros taught us nothing useful about anything.
   5. Elisabeth Röhm and Walter Haas  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 02:23 PM (#2805807)
Bannister needs to get his nose out of the spreadsheet. Has he even ever played the game?
   6. Walt Davis  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 02:29 PM (#2805814)
Get that man a blog! Bannister might be the best writer in sabermetrics since James or at least Neyer. :-) That is as succinct and clear an explanation of DIPS as one will find.

Of course anyone who's sporting a 93 ERA+ is gonna blame that on bad luck. :-)
   7. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 02:30 PM (#2805815)
Bannister needs to get his nose out of the spreadsheet. Has he even ever played the game?

Well, he did read the article from a laptop in his mom's basement.
   8. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F)  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2805893)
This beats the crap out of the usual Royals mailbag where the questions range from "Are the Royals keeping their blue socks?" to "What is the number next to the team name on the out-of-town-scoreboard?"
   9. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 03:44 PM (#2805919)
AG#1F, just continue to the final question:

My question has to do with the necklaces a lot of the Royals seems to be wearing. They all seem to be of the same style. Is there any significance to that? Do they symbolize something?
   10. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F)  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2805974)

My question has to do with the necklaces a lot of the Royals seems to be wearing. They all seem to be of the same style. Is there any significance to that? Do they symbolize something?


Ha. I saw that. The funny thing, its the exact same question from Dick Kaegel's last mailbag.
   11. Dayton Moore is a Big Fat Idiot (AG#1F)  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 04:21 PM (#2806006)
When I hear "In Focus with Brian Bannister", I picture a TV show with cheesy synthesizer music showing a montage of Brian Bannister pitching, doing calculations on his spreadsheet in full uniform, and taking photographs. At the end, he's looking through a microscope and looks up and smiles as the graphics read "In Focus: With Brian Bannister. Tonight's Guest - Voros McCracken."

That show would rock.
   12. Voros  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 04:26 PM (#2806009)
My appearance fee is $10,000.
   13. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 05:06 PM (#2806049)
But hosting a show about sports and statistics is not enough. Bannister should follow Tiki Barber into the world of nebulous media products that claim to be about everything at once.

"Hi, I'm Brian Bannister. Tonight on In Focus my guests are Kenny Williams, Tim Conway, and from the upcoming movie Confessions of a Shopaholic, Krysten Ritter. Plus we'll have a special musical performance via satellite by Trace Adkins. But first, let's go to correspondent Jose Guillen in Davos, where he's speaking to World Bank president Robert Zoellick about new microfinance initiatives in southeast Asia."
   14. Srul Itza  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 05:16 PM (#2806063)
the contingent of people who think Voros taught us nothing useful about anything.

That is the first time I ever heard Backlasher referred to as a contingent.

My appearance fee is $10,000.

What's your disappearance fee?

;-)
   15. Zach  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 05:29 PM (#2806070)
Brian, first of all, let me say that I love watching you pitch. My question has to do with the necklaces a lot of the Royals seems to be wearing. They all seem to be of the same style. Is there any significance to that? Do they symbolize something?
-- Matt H.

Matt, the necklaces you are referring to are worn by players all over Major League Baseball and other sports, as well. They are made by Phiten, Co. (www.phitenusa.com), and contain a unique form of charged, water-soluble titanium. Athletes wear them to enhance circulation, promote relaxation and help relieve stress. We are given customized necklaces with team logos and colors on them in order to match our uniforms. Many players notice a difference when wearing them, or continue to wear them for superstitious reasons/good luck.


D'oh! There's such a thing as having an open mind, and then there's having a mind so open that your brain falls out.
   16. Banta  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 05:37 PM (#2806075)
Bah, having a brain clogs up your mind anyway.
   17. greenback  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 05:40 PM (#2806076)
the contingent of people who think Voros taught us nothing useful about anything.

That is the first time I ever heard Backlasher referred to as a contingent.

Gaelan is even worse. Backlasher at least would tell you it's a truism that it's good to have pitchers that get strikeouts while avoiding walks and home runs. Gaelan would tell you that it's morally wrong to focus on those components.
   18. vortex of dissipation  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 06:41 PM (#2806136)
Matt, the necklaces you are referring to are worn by players all over Major League Baseball and other sports, as well. They are made by Phiten, Co. (www.phitenusa.com), and contain a unique form of charged, water-soluble titanium. Athletes wear them to enhance circulation, promote relaxation and help relieve stress. We are given customized necklaces with team logos and colors on them in order to match our uniforms. Many players notice a difference when wearing them, or continue to wear them for superstitious reasons/good luck.


The entire Japanese team wore them during the World Baseball Classic. Which they won.
   19. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2806249)
Gaelan is even worse. Backlasher at least would tell you it's a truism that it's good to have pitchers that get strikeouts while avoiding walks and home runs. Gaelan would tell you that it's morally wrong to focus on those components.


Thanks. You guys have me reading some of Gaelan's stuff on other threads. Some don't like him, but I find him thought-provoking.
   20. AlouGoodbye  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2806261)
The entire Japanese team wore them during the World Baseball Classic. Which they won.
Lisa, I would like to buy your rock.
   21. Ryan Jones  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 08:12 PM (#2806265)
The entire Japanese team wore them during the World Baseball Classic. Which they won.


They also all wore pants. From this, we learn that pants lead to winning.

Think about it - every World Series winning team has worn pants.
   22. Voros  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 09:03 PM (#2806331)
What's your disappearance fee?

$20,000.
   23. Randy Jones  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 09:14 PM (#2806350)
They also all wore pants. From this, we learn that pants lead to winning.

Think about it - every World Series winning team has worn pants.


I think you just declared yourself the mortal enemy of Smitty*
   24. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 09:19 PM (#2806358)
Thanks. You guys have me reading some of Gaelan's stuff on other threads. Some don't like him, but I find him thought-provoking.

Gaelan and I go back forever. When I tease him like I did, it's lighthearted and affectionate. If his declarations of evil disappeared from BTF, we would all be the poorer for it.
   25. The Clarence Thomas of BTF (scott)  Posted: June 04, 2008 at 11:20 PM (#2806504)
Why couldn't there be a placebo effect regarding wearing the necklaces? ####, there was a placebo effect for Nuke Laloosh wearing ladies undergarments.
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