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Wednesday, May 14, 2008

MLB: Mayo: Crystal ball: Projecting the first 10 picks

J’onathan Mayo makes his picks…

1. Tampa Bay Rays: Buster Posey, C, Florida State

It appears the Rays have narrowed it to five names for the top pick (there’s no David Price this year): Posey, the FSU backstop who’s had a tremendous year with the bat to move himself into consideration; Georgia high school shortstop Tim Beckham, who’s got tools galore and can stay at short; Pedro Alvarez, the Vanderbilt third baseman who’s among the most polished hitters in the Draft; Brian Matusz, the lefty ace for the University of San Diego; and Southern California high school catcher Kyle Skipworth.

I believe Skipworth is on the outside looking in and I keep coming back to thinking (based on no real inside information) that it’ll be between Posey and Beckham. This week, I’ll go with what’s been the hottest rumor as the Rays get a good hitter who can catch.

3. Kansas City Royals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.

The Royals would happily take Alvarez if the Pirates pass on him, but with him gone, they might go with one of the following two bats: Hosmer, the prep star, or Justin Smoak, the University of South Carolina first baseman. Hosmer is also a Boras advisee, but that doesn’t necessarily seem to scare the Royals, who took Boras clients in the first round in each of the past two years. That being said, enough may be enough and Smoak could be the option. Going pitching is still a possibility, and if that’s the case, Matusz is still in their mix.

Repoz Posted: May 14, 2008 at 12:57 PM | 35 comment(s)
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   1. hscs Posted: May 14, 2008 at 01:18 PM (#2780497)
Because it's news to me, I'm flabbergasted that teams can't trade picks. Imagine the Rays trading a #1 for someone who could help their young roster now, and teams rebuilding their farm system in only a year or two. There could even be rules limiting how many top picks a team could trade within a frame of time.
   2. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 14, 2008 at 01:32 PM (#2780513)
Since I root for a cheapass team with poor judgement, I'd prefer that picks remain un-tradable. If they could be moved, the Pirates would just deal down for senior signs every year.
   3. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: May 14, 2008 at 01:37 PM (#2780519)
I'd rather have Smoak than Hosmer.
   4. DKDC Posted: May 14, 2008 at 01:39 PM (#2780520)
If they could be moved, the Pirates would just deal down for senior signs every year.


If the Pirates could turn a top 5 pick into multiple early-round picks, and spend about the same amount of money to sign those multiple players, would that be a bad thing?

It would certainly make the draft a lot more interesting, and it would allow MLB to put mandatory bonus slotting rules in place. If a big spending team wants to sign a superstar Boras client, they'll have to give up later round draft picks (or players) to trade up further in the draft, rather than just waiting for them to drop.
   5. Dr Love Posted: May 14, 2008 at 01:43 PM (#2780523)
If the Pirates could turn a top 5 pick into multiple early-round picks, and spend about the same amount of money to sign those multiple players, would that be a bad thing?


Who knows, they might stumble upon an actual major leaguer.
   6. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 14, 2008 at 01:45 PM (#2780530)
"If the Pirates could turn a top 5 pick into multiple early-round picks, and spend about the same amount of money to sign those multiple players, would that be a bad thing?"

It'd never happen. They'd trade down and take senior signs or overdrafts, just like they always do, and then spend nothing on them becuase they're senior signs and overdrafts. I don't want them to have another built-in excuse to not do the right thing. I want them to actually invest in the ####### team. Allowing them to trade down will just make it harder to apply external pressure, since they'll have plausible deniability.

"It would certainly make the draft a lot more interesting, and it would allow MLB to put mandatory bonus slotting rules in place. If a big spending team wants to sign a superstar Boras client, they'll have to give up picks to trade up further in the draft, rather than just waiting for them to drop."

1) Draft slotting rules could be implemented without allowing teams to trade picks. They aren't chained at the hip.
2) Draft slotting rules need to be collectively bargained, which means that the owners would need to give MLBPA something very tasty in exchange for the rights to do so.
3) Tradable picks, if implemented without draft slotting (as seems likely), would give Boras considerably more power to steer his clients to the markets that he wants, making the talent distribution of the draft even more uneven than it already is.
   7. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: May 14, 2008 at 02:06 PM (#2780552)
I am not sold. Why would the Royals pick Hosmer over Tim Beckham?
   8. JJ1986 Posted: May 14, 2008 at 02:13 PM (#2780566)
About Tim Beckham:

He's drawn some comparisons to the Upton brothers, which may not be fair, but you get the point. And unlike with B.J. and Justin, most people are confident that Beckham will be able to stay at shortstop long-term.


So he's not like the Uptons as a prospect. I wonder why he's being compared to them.
   9. DKDC Posted: May 14, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#2780571)
Draft slotting rules need to be collectively bargained, which means that the owners would need to give MLBPA something very tasty in exchange for the rights to do so.


I don't think the owners would need to offer much. Draftees aren't members of the union, so I don't think the MLBPA is too concerned about their welfare.

Get rid of draft compensation for signing free agents if that's what it takes. That's something else that isn't working properly (it rewards rich teams for being able to offer arbitration to crappy relievers), and the union should be ecstatic to get rid of it.

Besides, a well-designed slotting system would give every draftee about the same bonus they get under the current system.
   10. Greg Schuler Posted: May 14, 2008 at 02:31 PM (#2780589)
The owners and MPBPA agreed to remove free agent draft pick compensation, then the owners could do anything they want with the Rule 4 draft. If the owners did try to implement a slotting system, Scott Boras would challenge it - and not with one of his better clients. There is some wide-eyed neophyte that would happily oblige Scott's request to be the next Curt Flood and challenge the legality of the draft. It would also show how much influence Boras has with the MLPBA.

In my view, the owners should adopt a slotting system and allow the trading of first round picks only. And they should reduce the number of rounds to 30.
   11. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: May 14, 2008 at 02:33 PM (#2780596)

So he's not like the Uptons as a prospect. I wonder why he's being compared to them.


They're all black! What other similarities do you need?
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 14, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2780653)
"I don't think the owners would need to offer much. Draftees aren't members of the union, so I don't think the MLBPA is too concerned about their welfare."

They aren't, but they know that this is an item of serious value to the owners, and they'd want their pound of flesh in exchange for providing that.

Other than drug testing, when was the last time the players gave the owners something for nothing?

"Besides, a well-designed slotting system would give every draftee about the same bonus they get under the current system."

Why would the owners want an agreement that de facto preserves the status quo? Far more likely that they'd try for a system that'd hold bonuses down (which was, after all, the original purpose of the draft in the first place).
   13. billyshears Posted: May 14, 2008 at 03:43 PM (#2780706)
Bad news for Mets fans - in his ESPN chat today, Jim Callis said that he thinks the Mets have decided to be good citizens in the draft rather than busting slot. I guess I'll pencil Josh Fields in as a set up man in the 2011 bullpen.
   14. Kyle S at work Posted: May 14, 2008 at 03:52 PM (#2780730)
bs, who do you think would be available to the Mets at 18 to "bust slot"? Hard to imagine a top 10 guy sliding that far.
   15. 1k5v3L Posted: May 14, 2008 at 04:14 PM (#2780773)
I doubt Josh Fields slides past the Brewers at 16
   16. salfino Posted: May 14, 2008 at 04:47 PM (#2780829)
Just for fun, Hosmer's fastball is clocked at 98 MPH.
   17. Bicycle RepairMan Posted: May 14, 2008 at 05:21 PM (#2780893)
So why is the buzz on Friedrich dying?

This looks like a draft with lot of college pitching. Littlefield must be cursing his luck that he isn't around this year!
   18. SouthSideRyan(CASEY'S GONE!!) Posted: May 14, 2008 at 05:32 PM (#2780925)
Littlefield is a scout(or something) for the Cubs now. So if we get a guy who projects as a decent backup catcher, we know who's got Hendry's ear.
   19. Raskolnikov Posted: May 14, 2008 at 05:47 PM (#2780961)
Bad news for Mets fans - in his ESPN chat today, Jim Callis said that he thinks the Mets have decided to be good citizens in the draft rather than busting slot. I guess I'll pencil Josh Fields in as a set up man in the 2011 bullpen.

That's very disappointing to hear. I just wish we could see behind the hazy veil of decision making in the Mets organization. It's frustrating to root for a team that makes intelligent decisions half the time, and has its head up its arse the other half of the time.
   20. zenbitz Posted: May 14, 2008 at 05:54 PM (#2780972)
This is not believable. He has the Giants taking a position player!
   21. billyshears Posted: May 14, 2008 at 06:35 PM (#2781008)
bs, who do you think would be available to the Mets at 18 to "bust slot"? Hard to imagine a top 10 guy sliding that far.


I don't know that anybody will, but I'd like to think that the Mets would take a player that does slide. I think there is an outside chance that Hosmer could be available (rumored $7 mil bonus demands) and Alvarez is a bit of a wild card. I'm not too concerned with that scenario though - the Mets have been willing to bust slot in the 1st round before (Kazmir, Pelfrey). I'm more concerned by the failure of the Mets to use their resources to take signability guys in the mid to late rounds.

I just wish we could see behind the hazy veil of decision making in the Mets organization. It's frustrating to root for a team that makes intelligent decisions half the time, and has its head up its arse the other half of the time.


My two cent speculation - the Commissioner's office gave the Mets the extra two hours to sign Santana in return for the Mets' promise to be good citizens in the draft.
   22. Kyle S at work Posted: May 14, 2008 at 06:46 PM (#2781017)
Anything could happen (see Porcello last year) but my money is that neither of those guys are available at 18. If they are, Glavine better pitch pretty damn well this year ;)
   23. CWS Keith Posted: May 14, 2008 at 06:53 PM (#2781021)
It's frustrating to root for a team that makes intelligent decisions half the time, and has its head up its arse the other half of the time.

Join the club.

//white sox fan

As far as talking about some of the prospects -- anyone have thoughts on Gordon Beckham? Just from reading a handful of scouting reports, is it fair to say his ceiling is somewhat limited? They (the scouting reports) read like he's a guy who's average or slightly better-than-average in multiple areas but not great in any one. And I'd also be concerned about the hints that 2B, not SS, is where his future lies.
   24. Jimmy P Posted: May 14, 2008 at 07:07 PM (#2781041)
They (the scouting reports) read like he's a guy who's average or slightly better-than-average in multiple areas but not great in any one. And I'd also be concerned about the hints that 2B, not SS, is where his future lies.

I haven't read anything about him moving off of SS. And, if he is a guy that's good in tons of stuff but not great, that makes him what, Tulowitzki without the D? Or is that too much of a bat?

Either way, the Sox haven't produced a good middle infielder in their minors in what seems to be decades OR gotten crap from the first round in a while either, so if Gordon Beckham will play, I'd take him.
   25. Sparkles Peterson Posted: May 14, 2008 at 07:18 PM (#2781064)
I am not sold. Why would the Royals pick Hosmer over Tim Beckham?


It's not like they have the same offensive upside. While scouts are no longer actively questioning Beckham's power, nobody sees it as a real plus tool for him like it is for Hosmer.
   26. ian Posted: May 14, 2008 at 07:23 PM (#2781076)
Anything could happen (see Porcello last year) but my money is that neither of those guys are available at 18. If they are, Glavine better pitch pretty damn well this year ;)

19 years old, 1.74 ERA in High-A. 28 hits allowed in 44 IP.

Lookin' pretty good for the Tigers there. I kinda want them to get Eric Thames but #21 might be too high.
   27. battlekow Posted: May 14, 2008 at 07:37 PM (#2781103)
Why would you not include Porcello's K/BB numbers? They're a pretty blah 23/13.
   28. ian Posted: May 14, 2008 at 07:46 PM (#2781113)
Was quoting from an article: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080512/SPORTS02/80512050/1048/sports

From what I understand Porcello's limited trouble has been later in games. When he gets to the 5th or 6th inning he's tired and struggles just a bit.
   29. MM1f Posted: May 14, 2008 at 07:48 PM (#2781119)
Its not like a 23/13 K/BB is really a negative when a kid just outta HS has a 1.74 era and that kind of H/ip numbers
   30. battlekow Posted: May 14, 2008 at 07:56 PM (#2781128)
He's also given up 7 unearned runs to go along with his 8 earned runs. I don't see why you'd overlook a poor K/BB and a bunch of unearned runs because the kid has a low H/IP, something that can be affected a lot by chance.

EDIT: Porcello's season stats
   31. ian Posted: May 14, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2781142)
Is WHIP not very useful then, because it incorporates hits?

His WHIP 0.997. Gamelog looks pretty good from minorleaguebaseball.com
   32. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 14, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2781199)
He's also given up 7 unearned runs to go along with his 8 earned runs. I don't see why you'd overlook a poor K/BB and a bunch of unearned runs because the kid has a low H/IP, something that can be affected a lot by chance.


Hit prevention IS important for minor league pitchers, as Clay Davenport has demonstrated; Porcello's H/IP (and his in-play BA, which stands at .213) are important indicators. He's also throwing grounders at an extreme rate, which is normally a very good thing for a young pitcher as well. Unearned runs are a fact of life in the low minors; I tend to discount those to some extent below AA. You'd like the K's to be higher, especially in the FSL, but as ian said in 26, the kid IS just 19 and pitching in high-A.

-- MWE
   33. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 14, 2008 at 08:35 PM (#2781203)
I would be surprised if the Mets took anything other than the best available college pitcher at #18. Omar has yet to do anything else with his first rounders - that's been a pattern during his Expo years and his Mets years. The Mets choose to spend their big money on the Latin American talent, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

-- MWE
   34. battlekow Posted: May 14, 2008 at 08:46 PM (#2781231)
Fair enough Mike, but I wasn't saying hit prevention was unimportant, just that I think the K/BB is more important.
   35. bibigon Posted: May 15, 2008 at 06:57 AM (#2781596)
The Mets choose to spend their big money on the Latin American talent, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.


The two aren't mutually exclusive. Prospects are essentially investments - assuming the Mets have the capital to invest in both Latin America and the draft, then they should be doing so (provided they think both investments are +EV). If the Mets are spending less money on the draft in order to sign more Latin American talent, then they're making a mistake. If they're not spending on the draft because they don't think the same caliber talent is available or whatever, then that's another story.

I can only see two good arguments for draft spending to have anything to do with Latin American spending:

1. You don't have the capital to spend on both. This should damn well not be an issue for the Mets. I'm not saying they have an infinite budget, but that's a different issue. A given minor leaguer is either +EV or not at a given price - that's the question which should be determinative assuming you have the capital to make all +EV investments.

2. You're afraid of playing time issues if you sign a lot of premium talent. This is a pretty theoretical risk it seems to me, but I guess if the Mets sign two top Latin American shortstops, and the only top draftee who falls to them is also a shortstop, then it might make sense for them to pass on one of these guys.

Short of that though, the two should operate largely independently.
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