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Sunday, October 12, 2008

MLB: NLCS: Close pitches cause benches to clear

Damn, I missed it. “Duck” Phillips was back to cocktailing at the time!

Tempers flared and benches cleared during the third inning of Game 3 of the National League Championship Series on Sunday, sparking more than a fair bit of animosity between the Dodgers and Phillies.

Setting the stage, Dodgers catcher Russell Martin, hit with a curveball in the first inning by Phillies starter Jamie Moyer, had a Clay Condrey fastball buzz under his chin in the bottom of the second inning before grounding into a double play. An angry Martin slammed his helmet and pounded a cooler in the dugout.

Then, in the third, after Dodgers starter Hiroki Kuroda knocked him to the ground with a pitch behind his head, Shane Victorino appeared to be saying to Kuroda that if he was going to hit him, then he should hit him in the ribs, not the head. Victorino then grounded to first base and, after Kuroda went to cover first base for the inning’s final out, the two began jawing again. Both benches cleared, as Manny Ramirez sprinted in from left field to join the scuffle.

Several Dodgers surrounded Ramirez and pushed him to the back of the crowd, before umpires were able to restore order. No one was ejected from the game, although both benches were issued a warning.

Repoz Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:15 PM | 16 comment(s)
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   1. Sean Forman Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:26 PM (#2980307)
Russell set the all-time record for HBP in an NLCS game with two breaking a 92-way tie with one.
   2. Gamingboy Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:29 PM (#2980311)
Ladies and Gentlemen, Sean Forman!
   3. So Taguchi is My Sensei Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:37 PM (#2980315)
The fastest you'll ever see Manny run in this series...
   4. Repoz Posted: October 12, 2008 at 11:47 PM (#2980320)
Russell set the all-time record for HBP in an NLCS game with two breaking a 92-way tie with one.

Shane Victorino set the all-time record for saying the word "squashed" during the postgame interview.
   5. akrasian Posted: October 13, 2008 at 12:52 AM (#2980342)
I don't like throwing at the head - but I found it amusing that Victorino was complaining about it, given the multiple instances the Phillies had done in game two and tonight. He should have been complaining to his own pitchers, that he was the person being retaliated against for their offenses.
   6. bads85 Posted: October 13, 2008 at 02:19 AM (#2980351)
Ladies and Gentlemen, Sean Forman!


Speaking of which, does anyone know of a source that lists historical World Series odds of the two teams playing --- not the preseason odds of a team winning the World Series? for example, what were the odds of the 1954 Indians vs the Giants?
   7. Fly's New Handle Was Too Long, But Clever Posted: October 13, 2008 at 07:33 AM (#2980360)
for example, what were the odds of the 1954 Indians vs the Giants?

That's going to be tough to find. Sports betting wasn't very well organized back then, and communication was limited between bookmakers. I think the line could vary quite a bit.
   8. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2008 at 08:34 AM (#2980372)
Then, in the third, after Dodgers starter Hiroki Kuroda knocked him to the ground with a pitch behind his head

I don't remember Victorino being knocked to the ground, nor that the pitch was behind his head. I remember a pitch going over his head, and Victorino ducking a bit. Is history being rewritten?
   9. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2008 at 08:42 AM (#2980375)
I thought the look on his face and words of Martin when asked about Victorino were great. He had a little kid smile and said in response to being asked about throwing at Victorino's head, "Well, we didn't throw at his head, we threw over his head."
   10. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 13, 2008 at 08:55 AM (#2980377)
More like, Victorino not shutting the #### up caused the benches to clear.

While I agree with him, he made his point several dozen times.
   11. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: October 13, 2008 at 09:12 AM (#2980380)
More like, Victorino not shutting the #### up caused the benches to clear.

Baseball players generally looking for any excuse to leave the bench is what caused the benches to clear. Victorino did the little point-to-the-head, all-that-I-ask thing again, then he turned his back; Kuroda listened, then turned and walked away. From each of their perspectives, that seemed to be the end of it.
   12. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2008 at 09:14 AM (#2980382)
Given that they continued the conversation after the inning ended, that didn't seem to be the end of it.
   13. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: October 13, 2008 at 09:19 AM (#2980384)
He made his point, a lot. It was clear what he was saying, he did his little point to the ribs point to the head thing at Kuroda several times

He did it at the umpire, he did it at the dodger bench, after he grounded out, he did it again. I mean, we get it.
   14. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: October 13, 2008 at 09:33 AM (#2980392)
I thought the look on his face and words of Martin when asked about Victorino were great. He had a little kid smile and said in response to being asked about throwing at Victorino's head, "Well, we didn't throw at his head, we threw over his head."

I was going to say that it looked like the pitch just got away from Kuroda, but, uh, nevermind.
   15. Mister High Standards Posted: October 13, 2008 at 09:39 AM (#2980398)
I was going to say that it looked like the pitch just got away from Kuroda, but, uh, nevermind.


HA HA HA. Wow. I have a bridge to sell you.
   16. Edmundo, survivor of 7 right-sourcings Posted: October 13, 2008 at 09:39 AM (#2980399)
He did it at the umpire, he did it at the dodger bench, after he grounded out, he did it again. I mean, we get it.
Martin should have told him, "OK, OK, the next time up we'll hit you in the ribs".
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