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Thursday, September 11, 2008

MLB.com: Hurricane Ike could alter Friday plans

It’s come to this.  Only God can possibly stop Ed Wade and the Astros now.

Ike has been predicted to hit Houston as early as late Friday night, although originally, the hurricane wasn’t supposed to get here until Saturday morning.

The Astros host the Cubs this weekend, and the Astros are considering moving Friday’s opener from a 7:05 p.m. CT start time to 1:05 p.m. A final decision will be made on Thursday.
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The Astros will also have to solidify a contingency plan in case the hurricane arrives as scheduled on Saturday. The Astros have a 6:05 p.m. start time planned that night, and while Minute Maid Park is protected by a roof, problems could arise if players, officials and fans cannot safely travel to and from the stadium.

“We’ll wait on Saturday at this point,” general manager Ed Wade said. “We’ll take our cues from officials. It’s too early to make a definitive determination as to what Friday’s going to present to us.”

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   1. Gamingboy Posted: September 11, 2008 at 12:28 AM (#2936521)
What's the back-up plan if the stadium is beaten up a bit or used as a emergency site? Would they play in Round Rock or something, I seem to remember them thinking about playing a game in Round Rock a few years ago when it looked like a Hurricane would hit Houston.
   2. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 11, 2008 at 12:44 AM (#2936595)
This is a big storm. I first got TS force winds Monday night, and even now I still have occasional gusts over 35, and the storm center didn't get within 100 miles of me.
   3. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 11, 2008 at 01:00 AM (#2936683)
I'd like to see Enron Field (but nothing else in Houston) get destroyed (with nobody getting hurt, of course) and the team play in the Astrodome again. Nostalgia for the domed stadiums will be everywhere in a decade or so, and it would be good to still have the most important one of all in use!
   4. Jim Wisinski Posted: September 11, 2008 at 01:58 AM (#2936985)
You'll get no sympathy from him.
   5. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: September 11, 2008 at 02:02 AM (#2937012)
Nobody's using the Ballpark in Arlington this weekend. Why not move the games there?
   6. OCF Posted: September 11, 2008 at 02:30 AM (#2937166)
As noted by Misirlou, this is the beginning of the latest discussion by the NHC:
OVERALL...IKE IS A LARGE CYCLONE...AS DATA FROM BOTH AIR FORCE AND
NOAA HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT THE EXTENT OF WINDS OF
HURRICANE AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE HAS INCREASED...ESPECIALLY NORTH
OF THE CIRCULATION CENTER.

It's still an 85-knot category 2 hurricane, with a forecast of being a 110-knot category 3 at landfall. The projected track, which they're still admitting is quite uncertain, shows landfall somewhere between Corpus Christi and Houston, but they nudged the track a little closer to Houston.

Crispix: the Astrodome is actually the more vulnerable stucture. Among its legends: twice in the 1970's, the parking lot flooded so badly that no one could get in or out. (I think they played one of those games and cancelled the other.) I was living in Houston on one of those dates. Neither one was even a named tropical storm - just a whole lot of rain.

More seriously: although New Orleans is uniquely vulnerable among U.S. cities to flooding caused by storm surge, the second most vunerable major metopolitan area for that is Houston. I'm mostly not talking about Houston itself but about the suburban areas east and southeast of the city, next to the Ship Channel and Galveston Bay. There are a number of areas that are below sea level. (Land subsidence caused by groundwater pumping is the prime culprit.)

That stadium downtown, whatever its current name (note that Crispix used a former name that probably doesn't appear on too may promotional materials), is rather far away from those vunerable low-lying areas.

The last big, strong hurricane to hit the Texas coast with Galveston and Houston on the high-surge right hand side of the storm was Carla in 1961. Carla was a category 5 in mid-Gulf and came ashore as a category 4. Even though it wasn't a direct hit, Galveston really needed its seawall, and some areas inland on Galveston Bay had 20-foot rises in the water level. This one (probably) isn't that strong, but there are a lot more people in the vulnerable areas now.
   7. jwb Posted: September 11, 2008 at 02:32 AM (#2937182)
By Saturday evening, the storm is projected to cover Houston, Arlington, Round Rock, San Antonio, Corpus Cristi, Frisco. . . El Paso looks ok, Midland maybe.
   8. Jim Wisinski Posted: September 11, 2008 at 02:50 AM (#2937307)
More seriously: although New Orleans is uniquely vulnerable among U.S. cities to flooding caused by storm surge, the second most vunerable major metopolitan area for that is Houston.


I don't know how it compares to the areas around Houston but the Tampa Bay area is a major disaster risk if a large hurricane came in from the Gulf. There are areas along the shoreline of the bay that regularly flood during thunderstorms, there is a LOT of land around here that would suffer serious flooding from a big storm surge.
   9. NTNgod Posted: September 11, 2008 at 05:36 AM (#2937566)
Chicago Tribune:
Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said he had spoken Wednesday to Katy Feeney, Major League Baseball's senior vice president of scheduling, and she had no concrete plans for rescheduling games.

There has been no known talk about shifting the Saturday or Sunday games, though there is speculation Saturday's game would be postponed if the hurricane hits Houston, possibly forcing a doubleheader Sunday or single games Sunday and Monday, which is an off day for both teams.

Another possibility is playing the final two games in St. Louis because the Cardinals will be in Pittsburgh.

"I don't want to go," Ryan Theriot said. "I understand why the Astros want the games there. They're in the wild-card (race) and playing well. But (if) that storm does turn and they evacuate the city, then what do you do? Now we're stuck. You hop on a bus and go where?"
   10. shoewizard Posted: September 11, 2008 at 05:43 AM (#2937568)
Looking at the Sat images, it sure looks like it's headed more toward Louisiana than Texas.
   11. NTNgod Posted: September 11, 2008 at 06:03 AM (#2937570)
Chicago Daily Herald: MLB figuring out Cubs-Astros series
Some Cubs joked that the Astros should want to play at Wrigley Field this weekend because they swept the Cubs there last week.
Chicago Sun-Times: Theriot doesn't like Ike, wants out of Houston
First baseman Derrek Lee, a former Florida Marlin and a member of the 2004 Cubs team that skipped a trip to South Florida in a similar case, also had concerns -- and a solution.

"Let's go to a neutral site, play three and get it over with," he said. "Why risk it?"

But that was not among the scenarios being discussed Wednesday, according to one MLB source -- despite a rumor circulating at Busch Stadium that the teams might play this weekend in St. Louis, with the Cardinals headed to Pittsburgh after tonight's game.

For now, the discussions have focused more on using the four-day window (including a mutual day off Monday) to get in the three scheduled games while avoiding the worst weather, the source said. The Astros released a statement that included the possibility of moving Friday night's game to an afternoon start.
   12. RMc's grumbling has gone far enough Posted: September 11, 2008 at 06:51 AM (#2937579)
The last time Ike hit this hard, Tina divorced him.

\had to be said
   13. Fly, the most judgment-free human being on Earth Posted: September 11, 2008 at 11:20 AM (#2937602)
Assuming no damage to the stadium, why would they move the game anywhere? It's a rainout, not really anything unprecedented in baseball history. And if the stadium IS damaged significantly, then there's no real need to move a game up by 5 hours to get it in before the storm hits: There's plenty of bigger scheduling problems to follow. Shouldn't they be more focused on hurricane preparedness than baseball scheduling?
   14. McCoy Posted: September 11, 2008 at 11:37 AM (#2937609)
Who, the Houston Astros and Chicago Cubs?

Baseball is a business and they are looking after their business. Last year they moved the Cleveland-LA game to Milwaukee (that was fun) and they still had a whole season to play. Getting the games played is probably a lot easier on MLB then postponing them and trying to shoehorn them in somewhere or playing them after the season. Imagine if Houston is a half game back to 1 1/2 games back and they have anywere from 1 to 3 games to play. Then imagine if by winning they are added to a 3 team wild card tie. Imagine when the season ended STL, PHI/NY, and MIL are tied.
   15. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 11, 2008 at 07:02 PM (#2938181)
Assuming no damage to the stadium, why would they move the game anywhere? It's a rainout, not really anything unprecedented in baseball history. And if the stadium IS damaged significantly, then there's no real need to move a game up by 5 hours to get it in before the storm hits: There's plenty of bigger scheduling problems to follow. Shouldn't they be more focused on hurricane preparedness than baseball scheduling?


Because it won't be just a rainout. It's extremely likely to be three rainouts. These hurricanes last days not hours. They're moving Friday's game up to guarantee one is played. Satuday's and Sunday's games are all but cancelled right now.
   16. NTNgod Posted: September 11, 2008 at 08:47 PM (#2938274)
Due to the threat of Hurricane Ike, the Houston Astros have postponed games Friday and Saturday against the Chicago Cubs.

Hurricane Ike, approaching the Texas coastline with winds of 100 miles per hour, is expected to reach landfall early Saturday morning.

Astros owner Drayton McLane said a decision has yet to be reached on when the games will be rescheduled.

“We’re trying to be careful and mindful of our fans safety,” McLane said. “People in the greater Houston area and Harris County have been encouraged to stay home. School has been canceled and we just want to do the right thing.”
SportTicker
   17. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 11, 2008 at 09:21 PM (#2938307)
Carla was a category 5 in mid-Gulf and came ashore as a category 4. Even though it wasn't a direct hit, Galveston really needed its seawall, and some areas inland on Galveston Bay had 20-foot rises in the water level. This one (probably) isn't that strong, but there are a lot more people in the vulnerable areas now.

The large size of the Ike will play a role in making the storm surge worse than for a typical category 2 or 3 storm - potentially as bad as a cat 5. There's a good discussion of it at Jeff Masters' blog at Weather Underground, if anyone is interested.
   18. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: September 11, 2008 at 09:23 PM (#2938309)
If there's a huricane thread, you can count on NTNgod to be there; even if the sun hasn't set yet ;').
   19. NTNgod Posted: September 11, 2008 at 10:48 PM (#2938360)
:P

Houston Chronicle:
The decision was made after discussions with the Office of Emergency Management, Major League Baseball, the Chicago Cubs and the players’ union... The Cubs had hoped the potentially crucial series could be moved to a neutral site, and they made their displeasure clear to the Astros, the commissioner’s office, the union and to the media.
...
The Astros are still considering multiple possibilities to make up those games, but owner Drayton McLane would prefer to have those games at Minute Maid Park either Sunday and Monday or after Sept. 28, which is currently the date of the season finale.
...
“The first thing we heard was the Cubs wanted us to fly to Milwaukee to play,” said Astros infielder Mark Loretta, one of only two National League player representatives. “We didn’t think that was a very good idea to try to evacuate our families and take off and leave them behind and all that stuff. I think that was quickly nixed.

“Milwaukee came up for some reason. Of course, Milwaukee is kind of a Cubs home game.”

Both clubs are scheduled to be off Monday, so one game could possibly be made up before the Cubs fly to play the Brewers and the Astros fly to play the Florida Marlins. If the weather clears up, there’s a strong possibility the teams will play a split day-night doubleheader Sunday, according to a Cubs official and Astros players who have been briefed on the talks.

“Well, (a doubleheader Sunday is) what I think will probably happen,” Loretta said.
   20. NTNgod Posted: September 11, 2008 at 11:51 PM (#2938485)
AP:
Baseball officials also were anticipating that Sunday’s series finale also might be postponed. One of the scenarios under consideration was to play a doubleheader Monday, and make up the third game on Sept. 29 if it’s needed to decide a playoff berth. The Cubs and Astros have no common off days after Monday.
   21. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM (#2938660)
It's possible they could play on Sunday, as the storm is forecast to move rapidly to the north east after landfall. However, if it is indeed a major hurricane hitting Galveston bay directly, as it is also forecast to do, the city may not be in shape to host a major league sporting event on Sunday. The cops may have more important things to do than provide security and traffic control for a baseball game.
   22. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 12:49 AM (#2938668)
It's possible they could play on Sunday, as the storm is forecast to move rapidly to the north east after landfall.

The Cubs might not be able to get away from this thing; it also looks like it's quite likely to be dumping rain on Chicago during the CHI/MIL series.

In related news, the Texans are moving their Sunday game to Monday:
Hurricane Ike has forced the Texans’ home opener against the Baltimore Ravens to be moved to 7:30 p.m. Monday night at Reliant Stadium.
...
The NFL announced late this afternoon that, in conjunction with the Texans and Ravens, the game should be postponed for a day to help the city deal with the fallout from the hurricane that’s expected to make landfall early Saturday morning.
Houston Chronicle
   23. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 12, 2008 at 12:58 AM (#2938690)
BTW, this thing is huge. Look at the latest satellite shot. It covers about 80% of the Gulf of Mexico. New Orleans is likely already feeling the effects.
   24. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 01:37 AM (#2938770)
ol' Jungle Jim on the Weather Channel has been stationed in Galveston, so they're definitely ######. Wherever he takes root, large amounts of water usually follow.
   25. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 12, 2008 at 01:43 AM (#2938780)
ol' Jungle Jim on the Weather Channel has been stationed in Galveston, so they're definitely ######. Wherever he takes root, large amounts of water usually follow.


Yeah. He was a few miles from my home during Wilma in 2005 and I got a couple of feet of salt water in my yard.
   26. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 12, 2008 at 02:02 AM (#2938817)
It's possible they could play on Sunday, as the storm is forecast to move rapidly to the north east after landfall. However, if it is indeed a major hurricane hitting Galveston bay directly, as it is also forecast to do, the city may not be in shape to host a major league sporting event on Sunday. The cops may have more important things to do than provide security and traffic control for a baseball game.

They could play a game with no fans allowed in the stadium, like the Iowa Cubs did during the big floods this year. That would lose the Astros some money, but so would the other alternative they mentioned, cancelling one of the games unless it's needed to decide a playoff spot.
   27. Gern Blanston Posted: September 12, 2008 at 02:36 AM (#2938912)
The Cubs might not be able to get away from this thing; it also looks like it's quite likely to be dumping rain on Chicago during the CHI/MIL series.

When we got that all-day rain last week from the remnants of Gustav, Tom Skilling wrote that this was the 15th time since 1900 that remnants of a hurricane have hit Chicago. About every 7 years. This'll make 2 in 2 weeks.
   28. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 12, 2008 at 02:41 AM (#2938916)
Tom Skilling


Jeeze, is he still around? How about Jim Tilmon?
   29. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 02:45 AM (#2938922)
Yup, Skilling sure is.

Geez, I remember when he did weather reports with Albert the Alley Cat* in Milwaukee (channel 6) waaaay back when. Was a UW grad, I think.


* yes, weather reports were delivered alongside a puppet for a number of years on WITI
   30. salajander Posted: September 12, 2008 at 02:47 AM (#2938923)
The National Weather Service is not fukcing around in their advisories. From the bit talking about Galveston:

LIFE THREATENING INUNDATION LIKELY!

ALL NEIGHBORHOODS...AND POSSIBLY ENTIRE COASTAL COMMUNITIES...
WILL BE INUNDATED DURING THE PERIOD OF PEAK STORM TIDE. PERSONS
NOT HEEDING EVACUATION ORDERS IN SINGLE FAMILY ONE OR TWO STORY
HOMES WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH. MANY RESIDENCES OF AVERAGE
CONSTRUCTION DIRECTLY ON THE COAST WILL BE DESTROYED. WIDESPREAD
AND DEVASTATING PERSONAL PROPERTY DAMAGE IS LIKELY ELSEWHERE.
VEHICLES LEFT BEHIND WILL LIKELY BE SWEPT AWAY. NUMEROUS ROADS
WILL BE SWAMPED...SOME MAY BE WASHED AWAY BY THE WATER. ENTIRE
FLOOD PRONE COASTAL COMMUNITIES WILL BE CUTOFF. WATER LEVELS MAY
EXCEED 9 FEET FOR MORE THAN A MILE INLAND. COASTAL RESIDENTS IN
MULTI-STORY FACILITIES RISK BEING CUTOFF. CONDITIONS WILL BE
WORSENED BY BATTERING WAVES. SUCH WAVES WILL EXACERBATE PROPERTY
DAMAGE...WITH MASSIVE DESTRUCTION OF HOMES...INCLUDING THOSE OF
BLOCK CONSTRUCTION. DAMAGE FROM BEACH EROSION COULD TAKE YEARS TO
REPAIR.
   31. Dag Nabbit and his imaginary friends Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:01 AM (#2938925)
Tom Skilling

Jeeze, is he still around?

Of course. He's the Skilling you can trust.
   32. Gern Blanston Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:02 AM (#2938927)
I can't help but be reminded of the advisory before Katrina hit.
   33. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:05 AM (#2938930)
It's a good thing the Cards are on the road this weekend, as it looks St. Louis will also get some rain from the remnants.

Otherwise, this storm would be wrecking the schedules of a number of the NL Central/playoff contenders.
   34. Gern Blanston Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:08 AM (#2938931)
Actually, the 5-day track for Ike shows the rain blowing out of Chicago before Tuesday night. Looks like it'll move more quickly to the north than Gustav did. Skilling's calling for a perfect day Tuesday.
   35. TerpNats Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:13 AM (#2938934)
With the Texans playing at home Monday night, it now behooves MLB to let the Astros play a doubleheader at Minute Maid Monday afternoon, and play the third game if necessary Sept. 29. To move the games elsewhere, with the Astros now in the midst of the wild-card race, would be unfair to them...as if the powers that be in MLB don't want the Astros in the postseason (or don't want the Cubs to lose ground in the playoff race -- and with their TV appeal, that has to be considered a factor).
   36. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:20 AM (#2938944)
I don't know that a neutral site is an option at this point. It sort of sounds like the player's union will squash that due to objections from Astros players.

Loretta (a player rep going back to his Brewer days) kind of hinted at it in the Houston Chronicle article, and Phil Rogers made note of that in his Chicago Tribune column, too:
Ideally MLB already would have shifted the game to a neutral site, such as Tampa Bay or Atlanta, but Commissioner Bud Selig has been influenced by Drayton McLane's insistence on stubbornly hoping for the best. It's also possible that Houston players would have used their union powers to block a schedule change that would have forced them to leave town while their families dealt with the storm and its aftermath.
...
Hendry doesn't like the wait but understands it.

"We'd like to (have the series moved, not delayed)," he said. "But you can't expect Astros' players to leave their families. Those concerns come ahead of these games."
   37. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:27 AM (#2938951)
The Juice Box has a roof. It's well built. The winds could make fly balls fun. Heck, if I couldn't drive down I'd walk the mile or so to see a game played in a hurricane!
   38. Gern Blanston Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:40 AM (#2938959)
as if the powers that be in MLB don't want the Astros in the postseason (or don't want the Cubs to lose ground in the playoff race -- and with their TV appeal, that has to be considered a factor).

Assuming this is a serious post--please, lose the conspiracy-victim complex.
   39. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:44 AM (#2938962)
I'm not sure if baseball chick is around, but for her sake and the sake of her family, I hope she's somewhere safe until this blows over. Best of luck, b.c. Hang in there.
   40. OCF Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:53 AM (#2938967)
This is a weird hurricane - so very large, but with without particularly high surface winds; such a large radius of maximum wind but with a relatively weak inner core. The 10:00 CDT NHC forecast track now shows the center going right over Houston. If that holds, or if it shifts further to the right, that would be good news for Houston. The worst of the "dirty side" of the storm might well wind up around Beaumont/Port Arthur. I doubt that you'll see much wind damage in downtown Houston, but there's still that large storm surge to worry about. I'd guess that most of the Astro players live southwest, west or north of downtown Houston, and hence fairly far away from the danger zone to the east and southeast of the city center. Their problem won't be their own houses, or the stadium - the question will be how messed up the city will be in general.

Or the storm could go further left, which would be bad. Hard to tell what it's doing from the satellite images.
   41. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 12, 2008 at 04:06 AM (#2938973)
Three of the models, including a two that have handled the storm well so far, have Ike coming in about 50 mi. SW of Galveston, which is about the worst case for the city. Ike's had problems rebuilding its eyewall, and that's kept the winds down even though the pressure is quite low for a 100 mph storm. He's already been over the warmest parts of the Gulf, but the Hurricane Center still forecasts some strengthening.

Apparently in 83 for Alicia the roofs downtown had gravel tops, so the tall buildings all became pellet guns. D'oh! As long as the only thing in my windows friday night and Saturday is my cats, I'll be happy.
   42. scotto Posted: September 12, 2008 at 04:11 AM (#2938977)
Good luck to bbc and the rest of you locals.
   43. MM1f Posted: September 12, 2008 at 05:42 AM (#2939004)
This is a weird hurricane - so very large, but with without particularly high surface winds; such a large radius of maximum wind but with a relatively weak inner core.

I thought just a few days ago Ike's deal was that it was small in diameter but was very compact and powerful?
   44. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 06:00 AM (#2939008)
Houston Chronicle: Houston stadiums brace for Ike
The Astros... engaged the emergency clamps to re-enforce the retractable-roof at Minute Maid Park. Crews also boarded windows at Union Station and placed sand bags in areas susceptible to flooding.

“The big thing is tying down the roof,” Astros spokesman Jay Lucas said.

The glass wall along left-center field is rated to keep out debris striking it at up to 118 miles per hour, Astros vice president of building operations Bobby Forrest said.
Not directly related to the Astros, but in the same article:
Oliver Luck, who was actively involved in the building of the three pro sports venues as head of the Harris County-Houston Sports Authority, said some modifications were made to Toyota Center in the wake of Tropical Storm Allison in 2001.
The former Oilers QB? (I suppose there can't be too many other guys named Oliver Luck kicking around Texas)
   45. Andere Richtingen Posted: September 12, 2008 at 01:47 PM (#2939145)
I think the best plan would have been to move the series to San Diego or Los Angeles, perhaps Minneapolis. There are at least two days built into the schedule between the end of the regular season and the start of the playoffs, but I don't think it makes sense to rely on those days. The Cubs series in Houston should be written off -- the devastating effects on Galveston alone are going to have the Houston area reeling (the storm is 18 hr from landfall, low tide, and the water is already lapping over the seawall, with tens of thousands of people still there). I'll be surprised if any baseball is played there this weekend.

There are probably going to be widespread rainout effects from this across the eastern US as well, involving contending teams. The current NOAA cone places Ike over western Ohio on Monday AM, still as a tropical depression. Then it is forecast to head due east. Ike may wreak havoc on the schedule into the middle of next week. It should be past Chicago by the time the Brewers series starts on Tuesday though (inasmuch as one can predict what a storm of this size is going to do once it hits land).
   46. Andere Richtingen Posted: September 12, 2008 at 01:57 PM (#2939159)
I can't help but be reminded of the advisory before Katrina hit.

Of course, Katrina was a strong Cat 4 hurricane as it approached, and this advisory was mostly about the wind effects (which turned out not to be as bad in NO as described here). Ike is a Cat 2 and has had trouble getting his act together with regard to strengthening. The expected problem with Ike is flooding: huge surge, currently forecast landfall just southwest of Galveston, huge amounts of rain.
   47. bunyon Posted: September 12, 2008 at 03:15 PM (#2939218)
Ike's had problems rebuilding its eyewall,

Rick Peterson can fix this problem in 10 minutes.
   48. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 12, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2939697)
Guess which house doesn't have flood insurance.

Link will only be relevant for a short time.
   49. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 12, 2008 at 08:57 PM (#2939725)
Too late, picture's already changed.
   50. bunyon Posted: September 12, 2008 at 09:35 PM (#2939765)
Latest satellite photo has a better eyewall than earlier. I have no idea what that means.

photo
   51. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 09:42 PM (#2939769)
One of the Weather Channel's meteorologists a few minutes ago described it as "trying to get its act together" as it approaches land.

Of the news channels' 5:00 PM programming, MSNBC seems to be the ones going all Ike/all the time right now.
   52. Gern Blanston Posted: September 12, 2008 at 09:54 PM (#2939778)
Of course, Katrina was a strong Cat 4 hurricane as it approached, and this advisory was mostly about the wind effects (which turned out not to be as bad in NO as described here). Ike is a Cat 2 and has had trouble getting his act together with regard to strengthening. The expected problem with Ike is flooding: huge surge, currently forecast landfall just southwest of Galveston, huge amounts of rain.

I'm not suggesting Ike's going to be as destructive as Katrina was (or even comparing Ike to Katrina at all, really)--I mentioned the advisory only because I was shocked (before the storm even hit land) at how alarming the advisory language used was (i.e., "human suffering will be incredible by modern standards"). And that language turned out to be tragically prescient. So when I see stuff like "certain death" in a weather advisory, I can't help but think of that.
   53. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 10:01 PM (#2939782)
Brewers/Phillies got rained out (with no makeup announced yet), so the Cubs/'stros aren't the only ones with a day off. Tomorrow's MIL/PHI game is also dicey due to rain in the forecast.

Given how much of the country has rain in the forecast this weekend, there might be more scheduling headaches coming up.

EDIT: The STL/PIT, MIN/BAL, ATL/NYM, TB/NYY and TOR/BOS games are all in rain delays. Heh.
   54. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 10:07 PM (#2939786)
I was thinking it was amusing that the Weather Channel guy is doing a live shot from the same parking garage that the MSNBC guy was at 20 minutes ago, then I realized that NBC *BOUGHT* the Weather Channel recently.
   55. Andere Richtingen Posted: September 12, 2008 at 10:25 PM (#2939797)
I'm not suggesting Ike's going to be as destructive as Katrina was (or even comparing Ike to Katrina at all, really)

Heh, my point I guess is that actually could be comparable to Katrina, because the wind damage isn't going to be that catastrophic, but the flooding just might be. The Katrina advisory got the human suffering part right, but (mostly) for the wrong reasons.
   56. NTNgod Posted: September 12, 2008 at 10:40 PM (#2939806)
I saw Geraldo (the Mike Morgan of reporters, no doubt) doing his thing early this morning trying to throw himself in the middle of everything again along the Galveston coast, with waves lapping at him.

He's now on doing it again. Should I feel bad for rooting for the nearby waves when he's down there? :P
   57. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 01:11 AM (#2939934)
AP: Storms wreak havoc on baseball schedule
Storm systems throughout the country wreaked havoc on the baseball schedule, postponing six games Friday night and creating a weekend full of doubleheaders.

Hurricane Ike, a colossal storm nearly as big as Texas itself, began battering the Gulf Coast on Friday, a day after officials postponed the first two games of the weekend series in Houston between the Astros and Cubs.

Meanwhile, rainy weather throughout the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic led to the postponement of games all the way from Baltimore to New York. Another storm wiped out the White Sox-Tigers game in Chicago.

It was the most major league postponements in one day since six games were wiped out on April 15, 2007. Prior to that, there hadn’t been that many since April 12, 1997, when eight games were postponed, according to the Elias Sports Bureau.
   58. Lassus: Posted: September 13, 2008 at 01:48 AM (#2939978)
Six double-headers tomorrow.

Twenty games total.

Holy baseball!
   59. bunyon Posted: September 13, 2008 at 02:07 AM (#2939988)
They won't get 20 games in tomorrow. The weather should be decent here in NC tomorrow and Sunday. Any teams that want to come here, I'll throwing some brauts on the grill.

I'm enjoying watching the TV announcers make fun of and laugh and ridicule all the people who stayed behind...where they are.
   60. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 02:15 AM (#2939992)
Cantore (who's broken out the storm goggles) was commenting on the carelessness of some of the other media people in Galveston earlier.
   61. Frank McCourt's Gold Stars are in bankruptcy court Posted: September 13, 2008 at 02:31 AM (#2940001)
When the time arrives that a reporter is decapitated with a flying street sign on-air, will that be Weather or News?
   62. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 03:26 AM (#2940015)
Houston Chronicle: Stranded Galveston residents call in vain for rescues
As Hurricane Ike pushed a swelling surge onto Galveston Island tonight, many Galveston residents who ignored a mandatory evacuation order phoned for rescues to no avail because emergency workers were called off the streets, officials said.
...
Galveston ordered an 8 p.m. curfew because 40 percent of the city's 58,000 residents ignored calls to evacuate.
...
Earlier today, [City Manager Steve] LeBlanc expressed dismay that so much of the city's population remained behind to ride out the storm. "It's unfortunate that the warning we sent out — the mayor's mandatory evacuation — was not heeded," he said.

By comparison, nearly 100 percent of Galveston left the island during Hurricane Rita, just three years ago.
   63. salajander Posted: September 13, 2008 at 03:30 AM (#2940017)
####### idiots.
   64. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 03:34 AM (#2940018)
Not Galveston, but an example of an Idiot Alert in Surfside Beach: Houston Chronicle
Police Chief Randy Smith said authorities believe some people remain in the city. Officers [Friday] planned a door-to-door search for holdouts. By early afternoon, authorities said only one resident was known to remain on the island.

Smith said his officers waded through torso-deep water this morning to urge one resident, vacationer Bob Taylor of Fort Worth, to flee his home. Taylor rebuffed the rescue attempt.

But, about 11 a.m., after repeated urgings from his wife, Taylor changed his mind.

Smith said Taylor escaped his home in a canoe, then was taken to a safe location by officers.
On Fox, Geraldo's hating life right about now, it appears.
   65. salajander Posted: September 13, 2008 at 03:55 AM (#2940026)
On Fox, Geraldo's hating life right about now, it appears.

Haha, just switched. He's standing in 120MPH winds now.
   66. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 04:10 AM (#2940030)
Geraldo:
"The Balinese Room, made famous by ZZ Top with a song on their LOLLAPALOOZA album"

Umm, yeah, that was always my favorite ZZ Top album :P
(Lollapalooza, Fandango... close enough)
   67. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 04:22 AM (#2940032)
In Clear Lake, on MSNBC, the Weather Channel's Mike Bettes just got knocked flat on his ass by the wind during a live shot.
   68. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 04:32 AM (#2940034)
There's a fire going somewhere inside Houston... FOX was showing it
   69. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 04:51 AM (#2940039)
Brennan's Restaurant in downtown Houston is apparently the building burning? From the way the Houston broadcasters on the Houston FOX affiliate stream are talking, it's some sort of local landmark.
   70. Frank McCourt's Gold Stars are in bankruptcy court Posted: September 13, 2008 at 05:02 AM (#2940042)
The Weather Channel guy in Clute, TX looks miserable.
   71. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 05:21 AM (#2940045)
According to the local Houston reporter on FOX, Texas law dictates that you can't force someone to leave during a mandatory evacuation? WTF? What's the point, then?
   72. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 05:43 AM (#2940051)
Heh, Geraldo let out a few FCC-unfriendly words when he was standing in the water, and a piece of something washed into his leg and startled him.
   73. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 05:53 AM (#2940055)
This one CNN guy out in the field doesn't seem to understand hurricanes very well.
   74. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 08:03 AM (#2940076)
This poor bastard on MSNBC/The Weather Channel (Jay Gray?) has been getting pelted for hours in Galveston, apart from the respite due to the eye.

He's been out there since 3PM yesterday afternoon, too? Yikes.
   75. Jeff K. Posted: September 13, 2008 at 08:32 AM (#2940080)
I'm in Austin, of course, and we haven't seen a drop of rain. Some wind gusts up to probably 25 MPh.

Playing a game in Round Rock would be odd. It's only 30 minutes closer by car (negligible by air) than TBiA, and while a very nice one, it is still a minor league stadium.
   76. NTNgod Posted: September 13, 2008 at 09:09 AM (#2940083)
Weather Channel went to a live shot to Cantore, and he's actually kind of spooked because of debris.

He's like the third or fourth reporter in Galveston on different networks saying the backside of the storm is worse than the frontside was. Surge isn't as bad as expected, but wind is worse.

EDIT: Crap, he's sort of inside the hotel and he almost got taken out by a piece of debris live.
   77. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 13, 2008 at 11:15 AM (#2940090)
According to the local Houston reporter on FOX, Texas law dictates that you can't force someone to leave during a mandatory evacuation? WTF? What's the point, then?


The same is true in Florida. Here, a mandatory evacuation means that if you stay, at a certain point there will be no emergency services, no police, fire, medical, etc. If you have a heart attack or your wife goes into labor, you're on your own. It also means that at a certain point you may not leave your house and are essentially under house arrest.
   78. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 13, 2008 at 11:24 AM (#2940091)
Over 4 million without power. Large areas of costal and even inland communities under water. Downtown Houston probably littered with debris from shattered high rise windows. Those who proposed the Cubs and Astros play a double header tomorrow should now see how silly that notion was.
   79. Gern Blanston Posted: September 13, 2008 at 12:02 PM (#2940094)
Yeah, I'm thinking Drayton McLane's rose-colored glasses are coming off right about now. Houston seems to have taken a massive hit. He was still talking yesterday about whether or not the ballpark lost power; even if not, I can't believe they'd play those games if the downtown area's in ruins. And of course, there's the little matter of the opponent's being able to get into town.
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