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Wednesday, June 25, 2008
The Safety and Health Advisory Committee held its first meeting today via conference call in New York to discuss player and fan safety, including the danger of being hit with remnants of a broken bat. Members of the committee, which includes a mix of players as well as executives from MLB, individual clubs and the players’ union, expressed their concerns over the issues and concurred that they require prompt consideration and action.
The Safety and Health Advisory Committee formalized the next steps, which include consulting with bat manufacturers and experts in the field, conducting field studies, conducting laboratory tests of bats and gathering information about protective measures in Major League ballparks.
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Potential remedies include extending netting behind the plate down the first- and third-base lines as they do in Japanese ballparks, placing restrictions on the width of bat handles and banning the use of maple bats completely.
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The majority of Major Leaguers use maple bats, but many prefer bats made of ash. Houston’s Lance Berkman is a fan of the latter, although he fears if maple bats are banned, it will dilute the supply of good ash bats.
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Berkman said ash bats are “less treacherous, all the way around,” adding that when a maple bat breaks, it’s a much more violent act than that of an ash bat, which has more of a flaky feel when it meets its demise… “I just prefer the ash,” he said. “It bends a little more than maple. I like the feel of the ball coming off the bat. When a maple bat dies, it’s a spectacular occurrence, whereas ash bats slip gently into its good night.”
AP: Plate umpire O’Nora hit by broken maple bat
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Posted: June 25, 2008 at 03:43 AM | 36 comment(s)
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I am not convinced that the real problem is a shard hitting a fan, though obviously that could happen. I think the greater danger is to infielders. And I think it is problematic when a fielder must dodge a flying bat part in order to try to field a hit ball. In the last 15 years, it has become the rare game when at least one bat does not shatter onto the field of play. Shattered bats used to be extremely rare, only a decade or two ago.
There may be a very good argument against my idea, but I have a proposal for solving the problem of broken bat parts flying around: If any part of a swung bat lands on the field of play after contact is made with a pitched ball, the play is dead and the pitch is considered a swinging strike. In cases where the batter had two strikes on him and his bat fragments over the field of play, he is out by strike out.
This would result in the short term in a lot of pissed off hitters who put balls in play (or even hit a home run) only to have it declared null and void and called a swinging strike. But in the long run, hitters would switch to bats which don't shatter (much like were used up to the mid-1990s) and they would be less inclined to shave down the handle into a tooth-pick.
Right then, Johnny was jammed and the bat exploded in as violent an explosion as I've seen. Shards everywhere. Kay, to his credit, laughed at the events on the field making him look like a doofus.
I'd take getting hit by an exploding ash bat over getting hit by the sharp end of a maple chunk.
So Lance Berkman used "whereas" in the same sentence as an effective play on a Dylan Thomas poem?
I like this guy.
Yes, that $50,000 or $100,000 a year would be a real deal breaker. At least two or three teams might be forced out of business.
If they're worried about player safety, they shouldn't, since players are the ones creating the problem in the first place. If players themselves are really worrying about it, there's no evidence of it, since there haven't been many calls on their part to eliminate maple bats.
If they're worried about fan safety, they shouldn't, since fans who don't want to pay attention to what's going on down there on the field shouldn't be buying box seats in the first place. The last thing they need is to go the way of hockey just to indulge the neuroses of players who feel they couldn't possibly get used to an ash bat. The next logical step along this line, I suppose, would be to require fans to wear helmets and have a 60-second safety video shown before each game, complete with legal disclaimers. They could call the Flight Attendants' union and hire one of their recently laid off workers to do the video.
Maybe a "bat inspector" isn't the answer, but if he is, hire him and pay him whatever he's worth. And if it takes a team of them, hire the team.
And if they really see it as a problem, and a bat inspector isn't the answer, then just ban the damn things and send out a list of good psychiatrists for the benefit of players who are addicted to maple bats. They don't need a commission to figure this out.
"Quick, we've got to save our phoney-baloney jobs, gentlemen! Harumph! Harumph!"
Jesus Christ in a maple tree, just get rid of the bats. Lordy. Is the maple lobby leaving squirrel's heads in senator's beds or something?
I still think that handle restrictions are the way to go.
Does that include benefits? Where do I apply?
Does anyone know the diameter of some of the handles of today's bats?
I don't think anybody uses anything over an inch anymore. Minimum is 16/19 per the article linked in #2.
If they're worried about player safety, they shouldn't, since players are the ones creating the problem in the first place.
One could say the same thing about steroids. (ducks and runs)
Barreling toward maple-bat tragedy
i don't necessarily agree with rich rifkin's take, the players are trained athletes and probably can take care of themselves, that is, avoid shards etc. ... however, i do agree that maybe the broken bat pieces on the field of play could be treated as a foul ball, even if the hit ball is in play. i think the fans are way more at risk.
as someone who witnessed at close range the incident in dodger stadium back in may where a woman had her jaw broken, i have to say they really do need to address it from fan safety standpoint. the nets they have up now are not adequate to defend these large sharp shards. she was very very lucky she wasn't hurt more, or even killed. it was scary.
B45
Concerned Beaver
Agreed. Buster is a sweaty mess when on TV.
Yes, let's have the Majors imitate the most bush league aspect of amateur baseball.
It seems silly that they can't ban a wood that wasn't used until 10 years ago, but whagtever. Maybe it is really the handle diameter anyway. Maybe they have to control the diameter for maple more than for other woods. They just have to come up with some bat criteria to limit the possibility of shattering.
"I didn't get a Harumph out of that guy...."
Mainly because I was going to suggest the same thing, and then write "Ducks and Runs"
Oh, the disadvantages of being 6 hours behind the East Coast.
Of course it's not. They even say that it's the yellow birch growing in Quebec that has all the nice properties.
No idea if it's true, but of course they have incentives to say it is.
Among the major league users: Russell Martin, Ray Durham, David Murphy
Also, the Fort Myers Miracle are exclusively using them. It might provide enough data to compare with maple bats.
The only description I found was in French, but roughly: As hard as maple, as flexible as ash, more durable. Maple is too heavy and contains too much humidity. It has to be dried, which is why it tends to shatter. Quebec yellow birch contains more humidity (than other yellow birch) because of the St. Lawrence river and is harder because it grows in the north.
Article in French
Most probably the journalist has no more expertise than me and didn't report it correctly.
I understand that Ash is a wood in trouble, and it's in baseballs best long term interest to have other woods available for future eventualities.
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