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Wednesday, March 05, 2008

MLB: Chat wrap: Frank Coonelly

Repoz: How often do you pray to the giant Pirate stovepipe cap in the sky that the magic bullet didn’t do more nerve damage to your body?

Coonelly: Repoz, Everyday, but I don’t use a crutch.

signdante: How many home runs will the “change in atmosphere” hit this season? And will it be suitable protection for Jason Bay in the middle of the lineup?

Coonelly: signdante, I detect some sarcasm in your question. My guess is that “the change in atmosphere” will not hit any home runs this year. We are hoping, however, that Adam LaRoche, Xavier Nady and others will provide Jason with some protection this year. The change in atmosphere, which you apparently mock, will be seen by all of our fans who enjoy baseball at PNC Park, and I believe will contribute to far greater success in 2008 and beyond.

piratefan11: How do you maintain this positive attitude if the Pirates tie and/or break the consecutive season losing streak—basically once you face adversity and fan backlash?

Coonelly: piratefan11, I will be able to maintain a positive attitude even if the club finishes below .500, which I hope and expect we will not, because I am confident we are building the organization the right way and I am equally confident that an organization with our resources can compete under the current economic system. As I have said many times, finances and economics are not and will not be a crutch.

Repoz Posted: March 05, 2008 at 06:48 PM | 30 comment(s)
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   1. Tim Lincecum-stain (SuperBaes) Posted: March 06, 2008 at 01:09 AM (#2707115)
we will not allow signability to dictate our decision making.

Didn't I just read a thread concerning how Coonelly claimed they would take the best player they could sign?
the Pirates are not in a rebuilding mode; we are in a building mode.

This is one of my favorite lines of 2008 thus far.
   2. Chad B. Posted: March 06, 2008 at 01:19 AM (#2707120)
signdante is my new internet hero.
   3. jwb Posted: March 06, 2008 at 01:46 AM (#2707127)
Chuck has been absolutely terrific. He is energetic, positive and, not surprisingly, entertaining every day of the week. He constantly reminds our young players what is was like in Pittsburgh when the Pirates were great
and doing way too much blow!
   4. Foster Posted: March 06, 2008 at 03:29 AM (#2707141)
Pittsburgh is a neat city with nice people and I hope the team gets better for their sake.

Seriously.
   5. Russ Posted: March 06, 2008 at 08:09 AM (#2707156)
Pittsburgh is a neat city with nice people and I hope the team gets better for their sake.



Not to highjack, but I just can't believe that my hometown may decide the results of the Democratic primary. Pittsburgh is going to get some serious media coverage at the end of April... Philly will go fundamentally and almost universally for Obama. Pennsyltucky will go universally for Clinton. Pittsburgh, according to many polls is very much in play; I'm hoping the candidates even set up shop there for the primary.

Philadelphia in the East, Pittsburgh in the West, Alabama in the middle : God bless Pennsylvania.


Getting back to baseball, I agree about the city deserving a better team. The fans in Pittsburgh are very good about supporting competitive sports teams that are not necessarily championship teams. They just ask that the teams be competitive.
   6. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 06, 2008 at 09:10 AM (#2707178)
"Pennsyltucky will go universally for Clinton."

For those who don't know, Pennsyltucky is the state's warm, redneck center.
   7. Russ Posted: March 06, 2008 at 09:34 AM (#2707190)
For those who don't know, Pennsyltucky is the state's warm, redneck center.


Although to be fair, calling it "Pennsyltucky" is probably unfair to the progressive types that make their home in fine state of Kentucky.
   8. Russ Posted: March 06, 2008 at 09:35 AM (#2707192)
BTW, I'm sorry I missed the chat the other day... I really want to know if Nate is going to get a fair shake under the new regime. I think Nate has the potential to be a very decent contributer in CF... he's a good athlete, I don't know why he couldn't be passable defensively in center with some work. He'll make a great transitional guy as we wait for Cutch and then he can easily be a top 4th outfielder type after Cutch is adjusted.
   9. Monsieur Valentin Posted: March 06, 2008 at 10:23 AM (#2707232)
Philly will go fundamentally and almost universally for Obama.

I don't know about that. Mayor Nutter endorsed Clinton. So has Rendell, who still has a lot of pull here. The Democratic machine still matters and it is in Clinton's camp as far as I can tell.
   10. Tim Lincecum-stain (SuperBaes) Posted: March 06, 2008 at 10:27 AM (#2707239)
The fans in Pittsburgh are very good about supporting competitive sports teams that are not necessarily championship teams.

I just moved back here this summer and forgot about Pittsburgh homerism. One can never forget this city's allegiance to the Steelers, but during Game 3 of the World Series, I was at a sports bar, where 9 of 12 televisions were on the Pens game and the other 3 were on an NCAA football game. I understand this isn't a baseball town (right now), but, come on, it's the World freaking Series!
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 06, 2008 at 10:30 AM (#2707242)
"during Game 3 of the World Series"

Which World Series? 1979? I find that unlikely...
   12. flournoy Posted: March 06, 2008 at 11:34 AM (#2707308)
scubevol: Do you really think you can compete for a championship against the big-market clubs?

Coonelly: Absolutely. The Pirates will not use economics


Cherry picked and taken completely out of context for laughs.
   13. Tim Lincecum-stain (SuperBaes) Posted: March 06, 2008 at 02:28 PM (#2707516)
Which World Series? 1979?

No, this past year. Yeah, Boston-Colorado wasn't a dream Pittsburgh matchup, but, seriously, it's the championship of a major North American sport. Less important than a regular season Penguins game? False. I could at least get it if it were the Steelers, but really, the Pens? When was the last time any regular season NHL game mattered?
   14. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 06, 2008 at 02:39 PM (#2707522)
"Yeah, Boston-Colorado wasn't a dream Pittsburgh matchup, but, seriously, it's the championship of a major North American sport. Less important than a regular season Penguins game?"

Yes, IMO. The Pens have a bunch of fun young players like Crosby and Malkin, while the Rockies were starting Josh Fogg.

Pirate fans already know how much entertainment value you get from watching Josh Fogg. We didn't have to watch that game to know that the Rockies were dead men walking.
   15. GabeMartinez Posted: March 06, 2008 at 05:01 PM (#2707677)
Right now in Pittsburgh: The Penguins > Baseball

And it's not even close.
   16. Pirate Joe Posted: March 06, 2008 at 08:53 PM (#2707806)
I'm hoping the candidates even set up shop there for the primary.



You don't actually still live here, do you? Because I can't believe anyone can be looking forward to what this next six weeks or so is going to be like. Nearly six weeks of two politicians with nothing to do but spend time in Pennsylvania campaigning. I like politics, but I shudder to think how bad it's going to get before April 22 gets here.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 06, 2008 at 09:43 PM (#2707827)
I'm not sure which I'm going to enjoy more: voting for Obama, or voting against Hillary.
   18. WTM Posted: March 06, 2008 at 11:40 PM (#2707883)
Nearly six weeks of two politicians with nothing to do but spend time in Pennsylvania campaigning.

Time and money. They're both raising $1-2M a day to flood the PA airwaves with. Soon your TV will be telling you, "There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission."
   19. Russ Posted: March 06, 2008 at 11:54 PM (#2707896)
Right now in Pittsburgh: The Penguins > Baseball

And it's not even close.


If by "Right now" you mean "since 1990", then you are right on. The thing is that right now it's basically:

Steelers >
Penguins >
University of Pittsburgh basketball >
Penn State football >
University of Pittsburgh football >
Local high school football team >
Former Steelers >
Altoona Curve >
Pittsburgh Pirates

Good luck and Godspeed Frank.
   20. Russ Posted: March 06, 2008 at 11:55 PM (#2707899)
I'm not sure which I'm going to enjoy more: voting for Obama, or voting against Hillary.


And the Russ - Vlad continuum continues... someday our paths will cross, but it may rip a hole in some sort of space-time fabric.
   21. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: March 07, 2008 at 12:20 AM (#2707909)
signdante: How many home runs will the “change in atmosphere” hit this season? And will it be suitable protection for Jason Bay in the middle of the lineup?


That....is....awesome.
   22. NTNgod Posted: March 07, 2008 at 05:32 AM (#2707963)
Pittsburgh, according to many polls is very much in play; I'm hoping the candidates even set up shop there for the primary.


What are the Pittsburgh demographics like these days?

Working class or older -> advantage Clinton
More educated or younger -> advantage Obama

...no?
   23. Russ Posted: March 07, 2008 at 08:46 AM (#2707973)
Working class or older -> advantage Clinton
More educated or younger -> advantage Obama


Pittsburgh is even more schizophrenic in this respect than a lot of other places. There is a huge gap between older working class and educated/younger student/young professional types. Here are the marginal demographics:

Link

Here are the results of the most recent PA Quinnipiac poll.

I've told others that the thing that could really tip the scales in Obama's favour is the weird Pittsburgh politeness factor. Although Pittsburgh has a very working-class mindset, they are exceedingly (and sometimes annoyingly) polite and friendly. I think that HRC's aggressive attacks on Obama will come off very badly... the more she attacks him, I think the more you'll see even the older people shift more towards HRC. The angry, combative liberal types are simply nearly non-existent in Western PA, so I expect Obama to do very, very well in Pittsburgh in April (assuming there are no major slip-ups until then).
   24. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: March 07, 2008 at 09:04 AM (#2707981)
You know what, I'm getting more and more excited about visiting Pittsburgh this year. Besides a game at PNC and the Carnegie, what should I be taking in? What's a good downtown watering hole? I like to drink at a place with a good mix of people and a good selection of beer and single malt.
   25. Tim Lincecum-stain (SuperBaes) Posted: March 07, 2008 at 12:01 PM (#2708105)
What's a good downtown watering hole?

People will tell you all kinds of places, and there are some cool spots, but the original Primanti's in the strip district is truly unique.

They're both raising $1-2M a day to flood the PA airwaves with.

Hillary calls me every day; so do her friends (Ohio and PA governers, random semi-celebrities, etc.). Of course, they're all recordings, but it doesn't stop me from talking back to them.

"Hello. This is Hillary Clinton..."

"HEY, Hil; what's up?!"

(she never answers because it's a pre-recorded message)
   26. WTM Posted: March 07, 2008 at 01:21 PM (#2708158)
I guess there must be data showing that the return from robocalls is worth the backlash from people who find robocalls offensive and aggravating. Personally, I have as much trouble understanding why anybody would respond to a robocall (I mean a serious response) as I do understanding why anybody would give their credit number to a web site they reached through spam email that looks like a ransom note assembled from letters clipped from newspapers.
   27. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: March 07, 2008 at 01:27 PM (#2708163)
I just don't understand why workers would like the Clintons. The Clintons sold them down the river.
   28. Shooty: Now rated AAA by Moody's and S&P! Posted: March 07, 2008 at 01:36 PM (#2708167)
I just don't understand why workers would like the Clintons. The Clintons sold them down the river.

I'm still trying to figure out why my Republican friends think the Republicans know how to manage an economy and why my Democrat friends think the Dems still care about poor people. Politics is a weird thing. The disconnect between what is popularly believed and what is reality makes me dizzy sometimes. It's probably why I waste a lot of time with baseball.
   29. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: March 07, 2008 at 01:49 PM (#2708175)
You said it.
   30. NTNgod Posted: March 07, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2708456)
I just don't understand why workers would like the Clintons.

I don't think it's that surprising.

Because, setting aside the minority of voters who would avoid - or be attracted to - one of the candidates for other reasons (one's a woman, the other had a black father), the things that make Obama appealing to some segments of the party are the very same things that turn off other segments of the party in a major way.

Depending on your worldview, Obama is either a charismatic leader full of hope and inspiration who can bring change to Washington, or an inexperienced smooth-talking yuppie spouting catchphrases, getting Hollywood stars falling at his feet, and pretending that the warm fuzzies can solve everything :)
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