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mlbtradeumors.com: Mets, Braves Swap Church For Francoeur

5:04pm: Hubbuch says the deal was straight up, one for one.

5:01pm: David Lennon tweets that Church was traded to Atlanta for Jeff Francoeur

5:00pm: Bart Hubbuch of The NY Post tweets that the Ryan Church has “apparently been traded.” No word yet on any of the details. Stay tuned to MLBTR for updates.

The Mets acquire their much needed edge.

Edit: Per request, I’ve reopened The original Official Mets Fan Self-Immolation Thread for commenting. Jim

Tripon Posted: July 10, 2009 at 06:10 PM | 277 comment(s)
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1. Ignatius J. Reilly Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:20 PM (#3249421)

Our long national nightmare has ended.

2. JoeHova Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3249424)

Wow...

3. JJ1986 Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3249425)

I guess things can't get any worse now.

4. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:21 PM (#3249429)

I stated last night I'd rather have cancer than Redding and Livan.

I think I spoke too soon.

5. Rivers McCown Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3249430)

Alright. Time to fire Minaya.

6. robinred

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3249431)

What airline will Jeff fly into the Big Apple?

7. Matt Waters Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3249432)

I’ve got to say, pretty awful trade by the Mets. It doesn’t mean much in the long run, but it’s still a bad move, mainly because Francoeur is terrible at playing baseball.

8. Joshua Gibsons Ruth (Voxter) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3249433)

Um, what?

9. Robert in Manhattan Beach (nee Redondo) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3249434)

I can't wait to read Dan's TO writeup. This is truly a glorious day.

10. Maholm Shuffle Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3249436)

The John Mabry deal of our generation.

11. Kiko Sakata

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3249437)

Is this for real? Because I don't get this from the Mets side. I thought Ryan Church was okay. I notice he's having a down year offensively, which still leaves him quite a bit better than Francoeur, and UZR says he's fine defensively, too. Is there something the Mets hate about him?

12. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:24 PM (#3249439)

Can we unlock the self-immolation thread, please? This is a special occasion.

It really deserves a bump.

13. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:25 PM (#3249440)

Not only is this a great deal for the Braves, this thread has unlimited potential.

14. Gold Star 4 Robot Boy Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3249444)

The original Official Mets Fan Self-Immolation Thread.

15. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3249447)

Maybe HoJo can fix Frenchie in 10 minutes.

I hated Church at first, but grew to like him. This trade is just generally hilarious.

16. JLAC has a future time orientation Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:26 PM (#3249448)

I'm pouring myself a drink. This oughta be good.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Mets fans, you have my sympathies.

What airline will Jeff fly into the Big Apple?

The temptation to make a tasteless 9/11 joke is strong.

17. Mike A Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3249451)

Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
My, oh my what a wonderful day!
Plenty of sunshine heading my way
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay

Mister Bluebird on my shoulder
It's the truth, it's actch'll
Ev'rything is satisfactch'll
Zip-a-dee-doo-dah, zip-a-dee-ay
Wonderful feeling, wonderful day!

18. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3249452)

Francoeur is paid more than Church, by about a million, so its not as if they are saving any money.

Hojo says he can fix Frenchy in 10 minutes.

edit: owe lassus a coke

19. SouthSideRyan Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3249453)

#### you swoboda, I came here just for that joke.

20. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:27 PM (#3249454)

I am ashamed to be a Mets fan.

21. SouthSideRyan Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:28 PM (#3249455)

Oh and Lasuss too.

Maybe I'm not as clever as I seem to believe.

22. Spivey Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:29 PM (#3249456)

Getcha popcorn ready.

23. aleskel

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:30 PM (#3249458)

this isn't a trade, this is a cry for help

24. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:30 PM (#3249459)

Hojo says he can fix Frenchy in 10 minutes.

Does he mean "fix" in the Bob Barker way- that seems like it's a little extreme.

25. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:30 PM (#3249460)

I know it's pointless and all, but why are you all making a big deal? Ryan Church ####### sucks.

26. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:31 PM (#3249463)

Unfathomable.

27. PH Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:31 PM (#3249464)

WHY WOULD THE BRAVES HELP A DIVISION RIVAL???

28. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:32 PM (#3249465)

I feel like I'm betraying my people, but I can't really bring myself to hate this trade, again, because of the sheer comedic value.

Trading for, say, Garret Anderson would have destroyed me utterly, and brought out an endless stream of depression and rage. I'm bummed primarily because it seems like Church is better, and he's been great defensively in the outfield, even over the last couple days showing it off. THAT annoys me. Really, Church, ESPECIALLY since the head injury, hasn't been all that, so I don't see the big deal there.

But in general, really, this could be a lot worse, because at least it's funny. If it BENDS, it's comedy, and this trade is utterly bent.

29. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:32 PM (#3249466)

Maybe this is step 1 of including Francoeur in a package for Roy Halladay. Yeah, that's it. That must be the master plan.

30. Robert in Manhattan Beach (nee Redondo) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:32 PM (#3249467)

I know it's pointless and all, but why are you all making a big deal? Ryan Church ####### sucks.

You think you know suck now, just wait until you get a look at Frenchy on a daily basis. A Church/Diaz platoon will do just fine. One more outfielder to go...

31. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:32 PM (#3249468)

Wow.

32. KronicFatigue Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:32 PM (#3249469)

I'm going to be watching this thread for awhile....especially b/c i can't stand up right now.

33. Doris from Rego Park Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3249470)

Maybe he can partner up with Jetblue?

Otherwise, *sobs*

34. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3249471)

Does he mean "fix" in the Bob Barker way- that seems like it's a little extreme.

Not really, when you consider how bad he is. In addition to that, I think his home should be burned down and the ground salted so nothing ever grows there again.

35. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3249473)

Ryan Church ####### sucks.

There's suck and then there's Frenchy.

I've watched him play. He's one of the worst hitters I've ever seen. That's not hyperbole, he is in a whole other level. To give up ANYTHING to get Francoeur onto your team, and that includes a roster spot, is completely idiotic and shows that you don't have a clue.

36. Francoeur's Delta Farce Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:33 PM (#3249474)

Wow. I'm so sorry, Mets fans.

37. Coot Veal and Cot Deal Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3249475)

it's offcial now

38. Tripon Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3249476)

Jeff Francouer 2008 WAR: -3.0

http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/f/franj004.htm

Ryan Church 2008 WAR: 1.0

http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/c/churr001.htm

39. greenback

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3249477)

The temptation to make a tasteless 9/11 joke is strong.

After checking the previous self-immolation thread, I have to ask, wouldn't a tasteless Cory Lidle joke fit better?

40. Sam Hutcheson is not authorized to view that forum Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3249478)

I have no words. I'm going to go poke Sam M. on Facebook.

41. Craig K Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:34 PM (#3249479)

FIRE MINAYA NOW

42. Maholm Shuffle Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:35 PM (#3249481)

The temptation to make a tasteless 9/11 joke is strong.

Are there any tasteful ones?

43. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:35 PM (#3249482)

It's like trading Castro to play Santos times 1000. Omar has never heard of OBP.

44. Craig K Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3249484)

So, in other words, Lastings Milledge for Brian Schneider and Jeff Francoeur.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

45. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3249485)

Let's see, after Francouer comes to NY, Citifield and the Mets will kill his capacity to hit any HRs, which was probably the only thing that Francoeur can do. So that basically makes Jeff Francoeur in a Mets uniform THE ABSOLUTE WORST PLAYER IN BASEBALL HISTORY.

46. Repoz

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:36 PM (#3249486)

Well...Minaya never liked OBP anyway.

47. Jon Koltz Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:37 PM (#3249487)

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus this is a terrible season

48. Scott Lange Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:38 PM (#3249488)

This trade announcement really needs a laugh track and a Bob Saget narrative voiceover.

49. aleskel

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:38 PM (#3249489)

I bet Keith Hernandez likes the trade

50. Robert in Manhattan Beach (nee Redondo) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:38 PM (#3249490)

Let's see, after Francouer comes to NY, Citifield and the Mets will kill his capacity to hit any HRs, which was probably the only thing that Francoeur can do.

And really, he can't even do that. You'd be surprised by the breadth of things he can't do.

51. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:38 PM (#3249491)

Well...Minaya never liked OBP anyway.

that's why he didn't put it on the scoreboard

Our long national nightmare has ended.

which nation? us or France?

52. JoeHova Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3249493)

I can't figure this out at all. Why would Minaya do this?

53. Kiko Sakata

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3249497)

Omar has never heard of OBP.

Ryan Church has a career BA of .273 and is hitting .280 this year. Francoeur is a career .266 hitter who's batting .250 this year and hit .239 last year. It doesn't take advanced sabermetrics to notice that Church is the better hitter.

54. Doris from Rego Park Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3249496)

You couldn't make up a better trade for Primer, could you? Delta Francouer to the Mets! Is Fernando for Juan Pierre far behind??

55. Chase Utley, Shooty's Favorite Robot (Joey Belle) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3249499)

Maybe they'll flip him to the Royals for Betancourt.

56. Eddieot Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:40 PM (#3249501)

Wow. As if a title wasn't enough for us Phils fans. And the Wilpons actually extended Omar. Ed Wade could do a better job.

57. Chris Needham Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:41 PM (#3249502)

Nats fans are happy to loan their official website to Mets fans for a few hours. Luv U Omar.

58. Francoeur's Delta Farce Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3249503)

So that basically makes Jeff Francoeur in a Mets uniform THE ABSOLUTE WORST PLAYER IN BASEBALL HISTORY.

He'll eventually be replaced by Hank Aaron XXIV and Turanga Leela.

59. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3249504)

Let's see, after Francouer comes to NY, Citifield and the Mets will kill his capacity to hit any HRs, which was probably the only thing that Francoeur can do.

And really, he can't even do that. You'd be surprised by the breadth of things he can't do.

so you're saying he's a (-5) tool guy

60. BringBackTimTeufel Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3249505)

I quit. How long until my handle becomes "Send Back Jeff Francoeur"?

61. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3249506)

I bet Keith Hernandez likes the trade

I'd wonder how much Red Bull and coke Ron Darling has to do before offering up something like a positive take on this trade. He's about the only intelligent person in that booth.

62. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3249507)

If Frenchy doesn't get it going and the Mets don't get it going...and it turns out that Frenchy not getting it going is a big part of the Mets not getting it going, you could have yourself one butt-ugly scenario. I'd go from worrying about the guy's career to worrying about his mental well-being. Of course, my nightmare is that he does a Hurricane Hazle, leads the Mets to a ring, and becomes undisputed King of New York (dethroning Christopher Walken).

63. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:42 PM (#3249508)

Omar: "Some believe that he is a gold glove RFer ... We believe with his age, that there is some upside."

How he can say this with a straight face, I don't know.

"Brainstorming in the office yesterday... John Rico - "Hey, what about this?"

I want to run this John Rico out of town. If your front office guys are brainstorming, and the guy you come up with is Jeff Francoeur, then your front office guys are stupid.

"If you look at the number of games he plays, over 150 every year..."

Uh, Omar, is this actually a good thing? If we can use Francouer's body parts to transplant into Reyes/Beltran/Delgado, then yes, this may be useful.

64. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3249510)

What's even better is that Church had been playing center lately for the Mets. This now means that Jeremy Reed will be starting more often than not, Evans will see less playing time, and of course, Francoeur.

65. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3249511)

It gets better!

Says Bart Hubbach: The #Mets also sent cash to the #Braves in the Ryan Church-Jeff Francoeur trade.

66. Swedish Chef Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3249512)

Why would Minaya do this?

Friday afternoon at the office, they're relaxing with a couple of drinks when someone gets an idea: "Let's make crank calls to the other front offices". And then one thing led to another.

67. ?Donde esta Dagoberto Campaneris? Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3249513)

The only thing better than this deal will be this deal in the month of August if Church rebounds with a dozen homers and the Braves blow past the Mets.

If anyone ever wondered why the old adage about not trading in your division exists, this is why- there's too much risk your GM will #### up spectacularly and it will come right back and bite you. That said, these things often work themselves out- maybe Frenchy provides David Wright the secret tip that restores Wrght's homerun swing.

68. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3249514)

"We like Ryan Church a lot," Minaya said. "But right now we just wanted to change it up a little bit. Unfortunately for him (Church), he got hurt. When he got hurt, he was having a pretty good year. ... We thought we just needed something different. It had nothing to do with not liking Ryan. ... One thing we like about Francoeur is the amount of games that he plays."

This is sad. Very sad.

69. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3249515)

Also, Sam, you may want to call Dial. I fear for his ability to thwart off a heart attack or stroke in the wake of this news.

70. Francoeur's Delta Farce Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:46 PM (#3249516)

Frenchy's gone, a better OF comes in, and the Braves get cash? Frank Wren has to be deliriously happy tonight.

71. Sam Hutcheson is not authorized to view that forum Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:46 PM (#3249517)

@63

If that's the case, I suspect the discussion went something like this:

John Rico to Mets staff: "Hey, what about this?"

Minyana to Frank Wren: "What about Francoeur for...

Wren: "DONE!"

Minyana: "..Church."

72. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:47 PM (#3249518)

Says Bart Hubbach: The #Mets also sent cash to the #Braves in the Ryan Church-Jeff Francoeur trade.

See, once again, yes, Church isn't Kazmir, but holy ####, the level of stupidity to do something like this. It's unholy.

As Lassus notes, at least it is funny.

73. Robert in Manhattan Beach (nee Redondo) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:47 PM (#3249519)

... One thing we like about Francoeur is the amount of games that he plays."

That's the thing about Frenchy, he doesn't just suck, he sucks in tremendous volume. He never misses a day of sucking. He's the Costco of suck.

74. Ryan Jones Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:49 PM (#3249524)

I no longer care if the Jays trade Halladay, because the thought of Mets fans having to deal with Frenchy will keep me smiling for years.

75. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:50 PM (#3249525)

Well, it is true that Fracouer will be entering his peak.

76. Confined to the Halls of Congers (formerly Y...) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:50 PM (#3249526)

I hope to god Andy MacPhail is on the phone right now offering Felix Pie for Reyes.

77. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:51 PM (#3249530)

Where the hell are the Braves in relation to the Mets, location-wise? I want to see that handsome devil in our uniform TONIGHT. I want to see him swinging away TONIGHT. PH in the ninth!

78. Lassus Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:51 PM (#3249532)

Double-post. But I can fix that, there's no shortage of material.

Maybe we could trade Frenchie for Milledge?

79. Raskolnikov Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:52 PM (#3249534)

I now know what it must feel like when someone finds out they have herpes.

80. Harveys Wallbangers

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3249537)

Maybe Jeff dons his Mabry suit and holds the Mets together until guys get healthy.

6 weeks of .355/.375/.555 and Omar is a genius.

81. Craig K Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3249538)

I hope Sam M. doesn't teach summer classes.

Otherwise, a whole bunch of law students just heard their teacher randomly spout a long string of expletives.

82. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3249539)

It's also funny how I suddenly don't hate Omir Santos as much.

83. Ryan Jones Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:53 PM (#3249540)

I now know what it must feel like when someone finds out they have herpes.

No. Now you know what it must feel like when someone finds out they have herpes from a national news broadcast, while sitting on the couch next to their mom.

84. Dinner With Frenchy Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3249541)

I now know what it must feel like when someone finds out they have herpes.

Then you obviously never had to deal with herpes. It's definitely not as funny as this trade.

85. Sam Hutcheson is not authorized to view that forum Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3249542)

Just got off the phone with Honeycutt. Church is a fungible platoon partner for Matt Diaz at the very least. Frank Wren is a genius. In the offseason he rebuilt a tattered starting rotation from scratch. He acquired Javy Vasquez and Jair Jurrjens for an A-ball catching prospect (Tyler Flowers) and Edgar Renteria's contract. In the course of half a season he's triaged the Braves most fundamental problems by getting Nate McLouth and getting rid of Francoeur. Ryan Church may not be better than average, but when you're in field with a gaping chest wound you don't complain about being wrapped in plastic wrap as long as the bleeding stops long enough to get you to a doctor.

86. Tripon Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:54 PM (#3249543)

So where does Sheffield play? Left field?

87. Francoeur's Delta Farce Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:55 PM (#3249545)

Found a Francoeur Delta blog from '08. Love the picture.

http://blog.delta.com/2008/05/21/its-nice-to-be-home/

88. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:56 PM (#3249547)

This ######' ######## kept me from taking a nap too. God damn you, Minaya.

89. Bobby Bonilla's Annuity (Matt) Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:57 PM (#3249548)

OK, OK, Hubbach corrects:

Sorry, there was confusion here based on Omar Minaya's garbled comment. Cash is coming to the #Mets in the deal.

90. Jeff K. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:57 PM (#3249549)

One thing we like about Francoeur is the amount of games that he plays."

"He likes a lot of them. His teammates say that they can't count how many times they have caught Jeff playing "Guess Who?" or "Hungry Hungry Hippos" on the floor of the clubhouse. He also like games that he makes up in his head and where the only player is himself. With this amount of games being played, Jeff is without a doubt a positive value for this organization."

91. NM Smith Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:57 PM (#3249550)

Harveys, I honestly do not think Francoeur will put up numbers like that over three weeks in the time the Mets have him under control (the next three years). The Francoeur that plays now is not the same toolsy guy who came up and hit crazily for a couple months. Present Francoeur has lost something physically. He just does not have the power anymore. That early Francoeur would swing at everything, but a fastball in his wheelhouse got dumped in the left-field seats almost always. Now, he swings and misses at fastballs down the middle, and even when he seems to make good contact, it's to the warning track at best.

Francoeur has upside the way Dye had upside when we ditched him. He might make a late-career resurgence, but to be honest, he also might not be in MLB long enough to get there.

92. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3249552)

YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!

My ~~weekend~~ year has been made! Drinks are on me tonight, boys!

93. Jeff K. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:58 PM (#3249553)

Then you obviously never had to deal with herpes. It's definitely not as funny as this trade.

It is when a Mets fan gets it, which is approximately every 20 seconds.

94. HGH Positive Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3249554)

This is the first trade that I've had to go to another site to confirm in order to believe it.

I thought Amazin' Avenue was playing a sick, sick joke on its readers. Instead it was Minaya on Mets fans.

95. Banta Posted: July 10, 2009 at 05:59 PM (#3249555)

Oh, nevermind about what I said about Reed playing center. ANGEL PAGAN IS BACK! JOY JOY JOY!

And Pagan is also a better player than Francoeur. Holy ####.

96. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: July 10, 2009 at 06:00 PM (#3249558)

SO... PISSED... OFF... RIGHT... NOW...

97. Jeff K. Posted: July 10, 2009 at 06:01 PM (#3249560)

Oh, and two things to note for real:

1) Ryan Church has gotten some of the worst luck with regards to being accidentally snubbed or whatever you want to call it as any major leaguer I can think of.

2) For everyone, and I'll even admit this included me even if I didn't post anything, that ridiculed the notion brought up hither and yon a few weeks ago that the Braves should hold on to Frenchy to trade him for something, the people who said those things now have their response.

98. Doris from Rego Park Posted: July 10, 2009 at 06:02 PM (#3249562)

Soak it in, friends

A .653 OPS in 650+ plate appearances last year.

99. Harveys Wallbangers

Posted: July 10, 2009 at 06:02 PM (#3249563)

NM:

I was trying to be positive for our pained Mets brethren

100. Francoeur's Delta Farce Posted: July 10, 2009 at 06:03 PM (#3249567)

How is the AJC going to spin this?

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