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Wednesday, December 10, 2008

Murray Chass on Baseball: Hall Falls Down

The Many Moods of Murray Chass.

The board’s action prompted me to take a radical step. At a Baseball Writers Association meeting, I proposed that the organization withdraw from voting for the Hall of Fame. Ten-year members of the BBWAA make up the Hall’s electorate.

It wasn’t that I wanted Rose to be eligible so that he could be elected to the Hall. I would not have voted for him. But I was offended that the board didn’t trust the writers to do the right thing. If the writers were going to do the Hall’s work by voting for its members, we should make the rules.

Had a vote been taken at the meeting at which I introduced the motion, I believe it would have had a good chance of passing, and the Hall would have had to find another electorate but with great damage to its prestige. However, the vote was tabled. A sharp minded writer who wanted to retain the vote saw the possibility of having it ended and moved to have the motion submitted to the entire membership in a mail vote.

The tabling motion won, and my motion was resoundingly defeated in the mail vote after pro-Hall members had a chance to campaign against it.

I wish now that the writers would refuse to have anything to do with the board’s game of Hall politics, but writers like being part of the process. They like the prestige attached to it. Two writers even served on the committee that elected Gordon. Writers served on the committees that helped determine the makeup of the ballots.

Maybe the board next will ask the writers to figure out a format that will facilitate the election of players the writers rejected for 15 years.

Repoz Posted: December 10, 2008 at 06:39 PM | 14 comment(s)
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   1. Mike Emeigh  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 06:23 PM (#3025534)
Maybe the board next will ask the writers to figure out a format that will facilitate the election of players the writers rejected for 15 years.


The VC came about because for a long time the writers refused to elect anyone. As long as the threshold for selection by the writers is so high, I think there's a need for a backup mechanism to ensure that the HOF doesn't become overly exclusive.

-- MWE
   2. Chris Needham  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#3025544)
Maybe they could start by excising some from the list of past Spink Award winners.
   3. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates)  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 06:31 PM (#3025545)
Two comments: 1. On some levels I actually (shudder), sympathize with Chass' point of view that if the writers are damn good enough to vote for players to go into the HoF, they should be damn well good enough to set the rules for such election.

2. On another level, having Murray Chass slapped down is always pleasant....
   4. Chris DeRosa  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 06:51 PM (#3025566)
"...and the Hall would have had to find another electorate but with great damage to its prestige."

bwahahahaha!
   5. Guapo  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 06:52 PM (#3025568)
Simple- require the Veterans Committee to elect one, and only one, no more, no less, every two years. The guy with the most votes.

Problem solved. Next, I will fix the US auto industry. Be back in 5.
   6. Tripon  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 06:59 PM (#3025575)
Is it 75% of all ballots, actually turned in or otherwise missing, or just 75% of counted ballots?
   7. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth)  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 07:26 PM (#3025595)
Good place for a Bill James quote:

If the BBWAA wants to walk, LET THEM WALK. Hold the door for them; call them a cab.
   8. Eugene Freedman  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 07:45 PM (#3025608)
I guess they didn't have a parliamentarian. A motion to lay on the table or table just suspends business on one item and everything attached to it so that another thing can be brought up that requires the immediate attention of the body.

What really happened was a vote to suspend the question definitely (to a date/time certain).
   9. Dan Szymborski  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 07:57 PM (#3025612)
So, unless I misread, Chass complains about the Hall not letting the voters vote on something and then, a paragraph later, complains that everyone got to vote on whether or not to continue voting for the HoF?
   10. thetailor  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 07:59 PM (#3025613)
I am so tired of these angry bloggers complaining from their parents' basements.
   11. Chris now in Shanghai!  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 08:37 PM (#3025633)
I look forward to the time when I grow as grumpy as Chass.
   12. JPWF13  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 09:17 PM (#3025658)
Had a vote been taken at the meeting at which I introduced the motion, I believe it would have had a good chance of passing, and the Hall would have had to find another electorate but with great damage to its prestige.


I'm with Bill James on this one
Not that the BBWAA has done a bad job, but whoTF are they to be the ones to decide?

"prestige" no Murray I believe the majority of your fellow writers correctly realized that the HOF gives the BBWAA prestige, not the other way around.
   13. Howie Menckel  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 09:23 PM (#3025660)
(Hall of Merit voters rub hands together, start plotting...)

;)
   14. Jeff K.  Posted: December 10, 2008 at 09:29 PM (#3025663)
If the writers were going to do the Hall’s work by voting for its members, we should make the rules.

Excuse me? I don't think so. The writers were granted the privilege to the vote. Nobody's holding a gun to their collective or individual heads. And Murray, it doesn't sound like you gave up *your* vote even though you felt so strongly about it. So kindly shut the #### up.

(EDIT) Okay, so kind of repeated from above, but nobody quoted the sentence I chose...
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