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The handshakes were fun and entertaining. Whether they fired the opponent up or not, the fans enjoyed them. Sometimes professional athletes forget that their job is to entertain viewers. You can win all you want, without the viewers you'd be out of a job. Perhaps someone should explain that to Shaq when he says something stupid like, "television pollutes the mind." No TV = no Cribs-house for Shaq.
Although I am all for the Mets winning games, colorful players should be encouraged to remain so. That's the only way baseball will be able to keep competing with football, basketball and nascar.
I'm sure that most mileages will vary from mine.
It's not like he's wrong.
colorful players should be encouraged to remain so. That's the only way baseball will be able to keep competing with football, basketball and nascar.
You can be colorful without being a showboat. Showboating is what really gets goats.
You left out the part where they tell God how many outs there are.
I know I'm biased, but these celebrations have all the entertainment value of "Footloose".
I want to see Jose Reyes work out a routine where he throws both fists above his head in exultation while Kenny Loggins rocks an empty barn.
He most certainly is not. He just doesn't understand that his vast wealth was bestowed upon him by television and its indirect economic consequences. He's better at shooting himself in the foot than he is at shooting free throws. Then again, with a size 23... Is that bigger than the hoop?
I call oxymoron. <ducks>
Yeah, Mets fans NEVER hijack threads realting to another team. ;-)
But now he might get singled out, yes.
Yayyyy for baseless criticisms of an athlete's intelligence!!!!
Soccer players ripping off their shirts is a very longstanding tradition in soccer. As for the gals, well they're soccer players too. They are just joining in the tradition.
It seems the other players are more upset about Reyes than the curmodgeonly media moralizers, which is unusual.
Actually I like a little personality in my athletes. There is a top over which one can go, but I enjoy the luxury of moving that point around at my whim: I'm a fan.
Of course this is coming from a white guy who tries to do the Deion dance after every flag football TD I score and I'm 34, but I'm having fun!
I love Shaq's antics.
Doesn't happen that much anymore, it's a yellow card.
When Delgado entered the clubhouse, reliever Matt Wise reminded him of their first meeting, back on Aug.15, 2000, when Wise was a rookie with the Angels and Delgado was a Blue Jay. Angels manager Mike Scioscia told Wise to throw Delgado four straight fastballs inside. Delgado squared to bunt and Wise unintentionally drilled him in the groin - the first hit batter of Wise's career. The two didn't cross paths again until they bumped into each other two months later at a Newport Beach, Calif., restaurant, when Delgado was visiting Shawn Green. A scared Wise hopped in his car and drove off.
I definitely think Delgado is the toughest guy on the team.
Yeah. But it is a lonstanding tradition. FIFA is trying to be politically correct and responding to Muslim sensitivities.
As long as he doesn't turn out like Roberto Hernandez and Endy Chavez who gave new meaning to "teh suck" while in Philly and subsequently went to the Mets and became useful+ for a year.
I love players like Deion Sanders, Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson and Daryl Dawkins. How anyone can say they're bad for the game is beyond me, but I think aversion to such antics is very much a cultural and racial divide.
Except for the occasional Jeremy Shockey or Joaquin Andujar, most really demonstrative athletes tend to be African American. And people who complain about celebrations tend to be white -- I am reminded of a controversy that arose a few years back about a Harlem Little League team that was accused of showing up the other team.
It might be old age, but I don't remember Dawkins for choreography as much as his talk, like naming his dunks. Well and shattering backboards, but that wasn't planned. "Glass flyin', Robinzine cryin'" -- I'd agree that's entertaining.
I must be in a contentious mood today. :) I don't understand "veteran's rights" or understand why they are a good thing, anyway. I don't think that Michael Jordan should have been able to walk while some rookie couldn't, that Charles Barkley got called for an offensive foul when a rookie but not as a veteran when he would initiate the contact and bump the defender out of the way, smaller strike zones for "veterans with acknowledged strike zone judgement", all that kind of stuff.
EDIT: Why young players have to give up uniform numbers, the Manny/Youkilis example, OL holding/not holding in football. Tennis seems to have the least of that kind of stuff among the sports that I watch; now that they have electronic line sensors to handle in/out appeals, there is very little that a judge can do to influence a match.
It was probably one of those fake bunts that guys use everyone once and a while against the overshift.
You play the game like a man, not like a ####### kid: serious, head-down professionalism in all but the most catharctic moments. If I wanted to watch someone jump around like a child in the middle of a game and keep flaunting choreographed in-your-face celebrations, I'd watch little league. Or professional football.
I don't WANT to see some guy displaying the phony staged "childlike joy of the game." I want a man's game. So good riddance to a rubbish act.
So let me get this straight. According to you, throwing at someone's head (which may cause a severe injury or even death), is an appropriate response to a celebratory handshake.
That's a little excessive, no? It's just a game, man.
I don't want Reyes beaned in the head, yes, that's overreaction. But he should have been made to pay - harshly, severely - by other teams and by his own teammates for his antics. I suppose his late season collapse was karmic justice enough, and I'm pleased to see he'll adopt a more sober tone this year.
Motivating your teammates is antics? The guy brings energy to the team. He displays emotion when someone does something big. He shows he's happy to be there. September was the first time in his career he'd struggled for an extended period of time (other than during all the hamstring troubles and the move to 2B, but we're going to forget that ever happened) and really didn't look happy to be at the ballpark every day.
gangland handshakes
i'll say it, and i'm sure it'll start something, but that's not very thinly veiled racism. #####. There's nothing gangland about the Reyes handshake- it's more like a dance than it is a handshake, and dances are, according to my gangland friends, very much frowned upon in gangland.
I really hope your post are tongue-in-cheek, because you sound like some Victorian ####### relic. ####### douche nozzle.
I think gangland makes it sound a little more sinister than it is.
I see it as guys having fun. You see it as showboating. It's just a difference in opinion.
Are Dominicans known for their gang involvement? I'd say it's more unfamiliarity than anything sinister like racism.
Someone has to fill John Franco's old job:
Pitching For The Mob
The "gangland" word was ill-chosen if it causes anyone to think in racial terms. Lord knows that's not my point. So spare me your "thinly-veiled-racism" crap. The point of the word was merely to suggest that, analogous to gangland handshakes, the set of super-special choreographed handshakes/dance moves is designed to be both exclusionary, intimidating, and intensely irritating to the opposite side. Unnecessary.
And yes, "motivating your teammates" is "antics" when said "antics" are seemingly designed with a public audience in mind, designed to anger and show up the other team. Reyes didn't pull this junk in private, in the clubhouse, he intentionally did it all the time in front of the opposing team, more for their consumption than his team's.
#42 - Russlan
Indeed, a difference of opinion. And god knows I'm way overheated on this thread...but man, Reyes' stunts REALLY steamed me all last year. They're the opposite of everything baseball is supposed to be about, in my opinion, and the gentle "oh, that's just Jose being Jose!" tolerance which was extended to him irked me immensely. Nobody else would be allowed to get away with those sorts of things. But yeah, that's just an opinion.
"He's close with Johan and Pedro, and he just wanted to say hello," Minaya said. "We're not interested in him."
I don't want Reyes beaned in the head, yes, that's overreaction. But he should have been made to pay - harshly, severely - by other teams and by his own teammates for his antics. I suppose his late season collapse was karmic justice enough, and I'm pleased to see he'll adopt a more sober tone this year.
Would you also like the damn kids to get off your lawn, or should they stay and listen to how you had to walk 10 miles to school each day, through the snow, uphill both ways?
Man you really should get those bifocals fixed old man...Reyes is anything but intimidating. Every time he gets a hit, you'd swear it was the first one of his career. I know it sucks that you root for a shitty team, but that isn't Reyes's fault. Players like Reyes make the game fun.
This is the most obvious troll in the history of existence, and I can't believe I just fed it.
I think you'll like this version of Jose, Esoteric, the latest pic I caught he wasn't sporting the braids.
This year he'll be spending less time celebrating and more time kicking your team's ass.
Man, DC really is douche bag central. Tool.
I also always like Nick Swisher and Milton Bradley's elaborate homer handshake/stomping combo.
As for google boy: your language and tone speaks volumes about your character. I'd rather be a bit stuffy than be a smug vulgar foam-fingered superfan.
The first athelete I was aware of who was doing this kind of thing was (white) Mark Gastineau. It just seemed classless. When you sacked the QB, it was fine to enjoy it, but leaping around like an imbecile was bad form, like laughing at your own joke.
Especially when the other team gets really sick of it and turns it around on him after beating his team, causing thousands of Mets fans to start whining about sportsmanship.
Yeah, you sound like a blast at parties.
Thanks for reminding me why I avoid your miserable swamp of a city at all costs...
Reyes is not in your face- he does not fist pump, he plays the game with enthusiasm and joy. He encourages his teammates when they win, get a big hit, whatever. He chats up the other teams' players. The incident with the Marlins was the first time I'd heard anyone complain about him, other than being annoyed that he talks to much when he's standing on base. He puts a good face on the franchise, and is a marketable and fan-friendly commodity. The energy will cool as he gets older.
My girlfriend is a very casual fan and Reyes is one of the people that gets her going to and watching games because he's got personality and character out on the field.
You can go back to watching golf any time, I'm sure the sport won't miss you.
Racist!
Motivating your teammates is antics? The guy brings energy to the team.
COUNT THE INTANGIBLEZZZZZZ!!
I must admit, I don't understand you. First of all, I'm not in DC. I'm in Chicago. Second of all, this has absolutely nothing to do with "my team" vs. "your team" or "my city" vs. "your city"...you're bringing that element in all by yourself, and it's comically out-of-place. Third, the very things you describe as being innocuous are pretty annoying: chatting the other team's players up all the time is bad sportsmanship, purposefully designed to distract them from the action on the field. Fourth, people have been complaining about Reyes' behavior for quite a long time now, not just since the Marlins incident...that was merely the breaking point.
And finally, I am a blast at parties.
Seems madam? Nay, I know not seems. It is.
In the dictionary, next to classless, is a picture of Mark Gastineau.
The gruff ranting tone was intentionally over-the-top "GET OFF MY LAWN!" style, so you're right about that. (Notice the more sober tone in my last few posts.) But the sentiment behind it is real enough.
Sorry. I don't know how such a lovely city produced such a DB. Or DN. Take your pick.
the very things you describe as being innocuous are pretty annoying: chatting the other team's players up all the time is bad sportsmanship, purposefully designed to distract them from the action on the field.
Sometimes. Other times, a guy just can't keep his mouth shut. A lot of guys chat on the bases, it isn't all malicious.
And finally, I am a blast at parties.
I'm not sure you can call those champagne-sipping events at the country club "parties"...but yeah, I'm sure you're great, as long as there's some young punks for you to grab by the collar and scold for their bad grammar...
"If you don't like watching Jose Reyes, you don't like baseball."
- Jesus
- Jesus
More like Jesus Melendez. :)
It's not a veteran thing; it's a great player thing. Manny at 29 deserved to stare at his home runs while Youkilis at 29 does not, much like Youkilis at 36 will not.
Yeah, that's right. People are making excuses for Jose because he's a Met. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps some people enjoy Jose's celebrations?
Art any more than a steward? Dost thou think, because thou art virtuous, there shall be no more cakes and ale?
TO only annoyed me when it became plainly obvious it was all about him. Until that line is crossed I have not a problem in the world with having some fun, no lives are being saved out there(though Donnie Moore has a case).
I also don't get the Manny can be Manny but Jose can't be Jose thing, who says? I don't see where there is some criteria for how you are aloud to celebrate.
Instead of homerism, its hating.
Your about to find out real quick that Lastings has a little Jose in him<insert Piazza joke here>, unfortunately probably due to his race it was considered hip-hop thugery, instead of Lastings being Lastings. But get back to me when Lastings is back spinning on home plate after taking Wags deep to win a game at Shea.
If your employer decides to reign you in, fine, you also have to answer for your antics on the field and I'm perfectly fine with that too.
Now I'm really pissed he won't be doing them.
Don't project love of "Manny being Manny" on me, please.
I have no problem with exuberant outbursts but elaborate, planned celebrations are too close to taunting for my likes.
Even that is too much. I think fans standing up and clapping and high-fiving each other is a travestmockery of the game. They should be whacked across the knees with nightsticks. Behave like civilized men.
It's a crazy world now. In the madness of their excitement, people will often high-five complete and total strangers! Don't they know they can get the aids from promiscuous behavior like that?
There was a game last year where Reyes was dancing on the bench next to Wright and Wright started bopping a little bit with him, and I think that sort of stuff is really good for the game. I think if Reyes kept most of his celebrations to the dugout, everyone could be happy.
I really hope he doesn't lose that entertainment value completely. I especially hope he doesn't stop smiling; he's my favorite player in baseball because he looks like he's having such a great time.
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