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Newsday: Mets pen falters in 6-4 loss to Astros

Carlos Beltran smacked two home runs for the second time this season, but the bullpen ruined a solid effort by Oliver Perez as the Mets fell to the Astros, 6-4, in 10 innings at Shea.

Aaron Heilman gave up a first-pitch double to pinch hitter Geoff Blum and the tying RBI single to pinch-hitter David Newhan in the seventh inning. In the 10th, Pedro Feliciano served up home runs to pinch hitter Brad Ausmus and Darin Erstad as the Mets suffered their second straight loss.
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Perez received a standing ovation when he was pulled with one out in the seventh inning… But the crowd, which started to get restless at the sight of Heilman, soon turned angry and rightfully so.
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That was all for Heilman and the crowd immediately ripped into Scott Schoeneweis as soon as his name was announced.

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NTNgod Posted: August 24, 2008 at 10:26 PM | 24 comment(s)
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1. The Clarence Thomas of BTF (scott) Posted: August 24, 2008 at 09:45 PM (#2915050)

i was at this game.

i was sitting with my mother, and said "it's Brad Ausmus, i don't think we need to be too worried."

and then he hit a ####### homer.

Brad Ausmus.

he of a 16 year career w/ 77 HR total.

####### a.

(on a side note, can we please just DFA Heilman already?)

2. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again Posted: August 24, 2008 at 10:25 PM (#2915072)

Manuel managed an awful game today.

There's nothing the Mets can do but keep running Heilman out there. He was good as recently as last year, his peripherals aren't bad, and his stuff has never been better.

Maine's stuff was pretty good yesterday. He got beat but he was throwing great. If they do shut him down, do they call up Niese or stick with Stokes?

3. RayDiPerna Posted: August 24, 2008 at 10:42 PM (#2915089)

Gee, I wonder if the loss had anything to do with Manuel needing 6 pitchers to get through the final 3.2 innings.

Eventually he found one -- Feliciano -- who didn't have it.

4. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again Posted: August 24, 2008 at 11:23 PM (#2915132)

To comment on my own post, I doubt the Mets will call up Niese. He is already at 161.1 IP this season and the Mets seem very hesistant to let their young pitchers increase their workload too much. He has already pitched about 30 more innings than last year.

5. CFBF: Now With the Dan Werr Seal of Approval Posted: August 25, 2008 at 12:22 AM (#2915175)

i was sitting with my mother, and said "it's Brad Ausmus, i don't think we need to be too worried."

and then he hit a ####### homer.

Brad Ausmus.

he of a 16 year career w/ 77 HR total.

Thank you for dredging up horrible, horrible memories from 2005.

6. The Clarence Thomas of BTF (scott) Posted: August 25, 2008 at 01:23 AM (#2915188)

Heilman ####### blows. i don't give a #### what his peripherals say, he's been sporting a shitty ERA for a reliever for over a year, and he's reaching a David Weathersesque level of letting every damned inherited runner score.

I actually didn't have a huge problem with Manuel's pitching choices, outside of his use of Heilman in the first place.

7. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!) Posted: August 25, 2008 at 08:10 AM (#2915250)

To comment on my own post, I doubt the Mets will call up Niese. He is already at 161.1 IP this season and the Mets seem very hesistant to let their young pitchers increase their workload too much. He has already pitched about 30 more innings than last year.

FWIW--and that may be nothing--the Daily News today called Niese "the likely candidate" to be called up if Maine is shut down.

I understand your feelings on the Mets and their young pitchers, but at some point you have to figure they put winning this year ahead of of what Niese might give them in the futue, espcially as its not like they're going to be flogging him for 220 innings

8. zack Posted: August 25, 2008 at 09:00 AM (#2915288)

Only his K-rate is particularly good. His walk rate sucks and his HR rate isn't good either.

9. Suff Posted: August 25, 2008 at 09:13 AM (#2915292)

Thank you for dredging up horrible, horrible memories from 2005.

That was about the most surprising event I've ever seen in a game like that. It was so surprising that I was too shocked at the time to realize how surprising it was. Absolutely unbelievable, especially since it wasn't some Crawford Box blooper but a 400-foot HR that would have been out easily in just about any other park (instead of barely hitting over the yellow line in left-center).

10. rfloh Posted: August 25, 2008 at 09:23 AM (#2915302)

Only his K-rate is particularly good. His walk rate sucks and his HR rate isn't good either.

Yeah, he has upped his Ks, but at the costs of allowing more walks, and more flyballs.

11. Craig K Posted: August 25, 2008 at 09:39 AM (#2915314)

Did they seriously burn through 6 pitchers to get 11 outs?

holy christ, I didn't know Tony La Russa managed the Mets now.

12. Conor Posted: August 25, 2008 at 09:56 AM (#2915334)

Did they seriously burn through 6 pitchers to get 11 outs?

holy christ, I didn't know Tony La Russa managed the Mets now.

That included Perez, who started the game.

Manuel could have tried to get another inning out of Joe Smith.

13. baseball chick (now, with NEW blog) Posted: August 25, 2008 at 10:17 AM (#2915361)

is there a more beautiful sight than bradley awes much rising to the occasion, lordly bat in hand???

ahhhhhhhh

sighhhhhhhhhh

the reason grrrls aren't allowed to play mlb is because they know we go to bradley and say - boy if i throw you a high hard one down the middle will you do the same to me?

14. Edmundo is Super Average Man

Posted: August 25, 2008 at 10:22 AM (#2915372)

i throw you a high hard one down the middle will you do the same to me?

That's better than 2 balls in the dirt, I would imagine.

15. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: August 25, 2008 at 10:38 AM (#2915395)

Sportscenter referred to him as "future Astros manager Brad Ausmus". I'm just wondering if Drayton will jump him up right to G.M.

16. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!) Posted: August 25, 2008 at 10:44 AM (#2915400)

Sportscenter referred to him as "future Astros manager Brad Ausmus". I'm just wondering if Drayton will jump him up right to G.M.

That might be the first time in history of the site we've discussed someone other than Lisa jumping Brad Ausmus

17. retro-shiite Posted: August 25, 2008 at 10:56 AM (#2915419)

That's better than 2 balls in the dirt, I would imagine.

Nice!

18. The Essex Snead Posted: August 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM (#2915448)

I hope the Mets cut bait on Heilman, and I hope someone takes a chance w/ him as a starter (which is something the Mets should've done a loooooong time ago instead of cycling through the has-beens and never-wills they've dealt w/ the past 2-3 years).

19. Halofan Posted: August 25, 2008 at 02:36 PM (#2915665)

If Erstad homers off you - RETIRE. Rob Nenn did.

20. Craig K Posted: August 25, 2008 at 02:41 PM (#2915666)

21. Neil Kinnock...Lord Palmerston! (Orinoco) Posted: August 25, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#2915683)

It's a puzzle to me why the Shea crowd has not definitely turned on Heilman to give him the Benitez/Looper/Julio treatment. He's been booed for stretches but somehow has a longer leash than the others.

22. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: August 25, 2008 at 03:58 PM (#2915722)

Well, he lacks something in common with two of those guys., while Looper was a hired gun, and Heilman came through the system.

23. Cooperstown Schtick Posted: August 25, 2008 at 04:17 PM (#2915734)

Well, he lacks something in common with two of those guys

What does "acquired from Baltimore" have to do with it?

24. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life. Posted: August 25, 2008 at 04:57 PM (#2915773)

Seriously, I think it's because Heilman has no history of being a closer and was never proclaimed as the New Mets Closer, and therefore people didn't expect big things from him and then become upset when he failed to deliver

Even now he's only had 4 save attempts in August. He flies just far enough under the radar that the typical fan has no high expectations for him.

And he was good for 3 straight years before this. Geez, tough crowd. This crowd is so tough that it even criticizes other crowds for not being tough enough.

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