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But the next time it was different. When New York returned in late June, they swept the Sox in four games, left them in fifth place, and every time the Yankees hit a home run, Mickey Mantle led his teammates onto the top steps of the dugout, each of them waving dime store sparklers and laughing at the hapless Chicago fans, who were fast returning to their traditional misery. It was the perfect squelch.
Some candidates: Barry Bonds, Albert Belle, Bob Gibson, Roger Clemens, Don Drysdale, Josh Gibson, Jose Canseco, Jason Giambi...
As for "Thomas' restraint yields no story for beat writer on deadline", I think any time the writer actually gets a player to talk to him about what the player actually thinks, it's more interesting than no story at all. But still not extremely interesting.
and laughing at the hapless Chicago fans, who were fast returning to their traditional misery.
Every thing that happens in baseball can be responded to by a story about the Yankees being the best ever, and their fans being awesome, with an insult about the opponents fans.
The other shoe of this pair might be heard the next time Joba yields a long ball to a Blue Jay. It almost certainly won't be as clever as Mantle's little show, but it won't necessarily be the respectful, professional trot that the Yankees would prefer.
Every time a White Sox player hits a homer, the fans get to see fireworks.
Every time a Yankees player hits a homer, the fans get to hear Michael Kay act like a supercilious ass.
I know which one I prefer.
And Giradi will call out the Jays manager and the next day Shelley will attempt to break someone's knee, prompting the Big Hurt to audition for his new career.
To be fair, he acts like that @ every opportunity.
and laughing at the hapless Chicago fans, who were fast returning to their traditional misery.
Every thing that happens in baseball can be responded to by a story about the Yankees being the best ever, and their fans being awesome, with an insult about the opponents fans.
Not quite. There's still the matter of the Diamondbacks and the Marlins.
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...and every time the Yankees hit a home run, Mickey Mantle led his teammates onto the top steps of the dugout, each of them waving dime store sparklers and laughing at the hapless Chicago fans...
The other shoe of this pair might be heard the next time Joba yields a long ball to a Blue Jay. It almost certainly won't be as clever as Mantle's little show, but it won't necessarily be the respectful, professional trot that the Yankees would prefer.
And of course Joba's asking for it, just like Veeck did. Not that there's anything wrong with any of this (Dizzy Dean's my favorite player ever, and Veeck's my favorite owner), but it CAN come back to bite you.
Moral of the story for Joba: Just keep up what you've been doing for another 15-20 years, and they'll all treat you like Frank Thomas.
Now whathisname's company down in...Orlando? Tampa? Somewhere like that. I can see them doing one, if only to try and stick it to Vince.
Point taken about Manny's showboating - it's getting pretty ridiculous, even for him. However, Manny is one of the best hitters of his generation with a HOF career, and Joba is a rookie relief pitcher. It's a little different.
Yeah, veterans should know better.
I'd submit this guy, even at age 56: http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/otted01.shtml
see Aug. 12, 1977, sixth inning of Game 2 of a Pirates-Mets doubleheader. One of my most terrifying baseball memories.
No, not really, but he looked good last night.
I think Manny catches a bum rap with this kind of thing. If he doesn't remember what he ate for breakfast, it's because he chooses not to remember.
Ah, if only that were true. It's almost universally accepted that once you've been around just about any organization for a while, you can do pretty much do what you want, while the new guys get admonished for doing the same stuff. It's pretty obnoxious when you're the young guy (me).
Well, if you ever do find out what it is, kindly send a few truckloads to Damon and Matsui.
Joba strikes someone out, pumps fist: *shrug* Hey, he just did his (very difficult) job well.
Then when they beat you, they can act better.
Living well is the best revenge.
Joaquin Andujar was doing it also, and it ticked off a lot of opponents.
So you watch Sox telecasts on mute too...?
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I HATE THE ####### CURTAIN CALLS. I HATE THEM HATE THEM.
So ####### arrogant. Exactly what we used to rip on the '86 Mets for doing.
I have no problem with Joba. He's not pointing in anyone's face. It's a spontaneous outburst of relief and excitement after success in a big moment.
The curtain calls are an embarrassment. They are staged, they interrupt the game, and they do seem to take place everytime a Yankee successfully ties his shoes. Kay said Halladay yelled at Melky for coming out in the middle of the next at bat. Good for Roy.
Guys popping out of the dugout and doffing their caps, setting off a new round of applause in the middle of a pitch, just because they hit a 315-foot pop fly in the 4th inning, is obnoxious.
I know that in St Louis you get a curtain call for a first major league hit (or at least an attempt is given, it's tough if you are on base and play is going---sorry Rico) obviously important homeruns, or even situations where a player faced recent personal adversity and have a good performance. Or just a favorite player who has been struggling that broke through.
St Louis gets blasted for giving too many, and I think that is unfair, occasionally we give a curtain call that is a little ridiculous but most of the time it's a true appreciation for the play and story.
From Jeff Blair's article today on the same Thomas/Joba subject:
Even after just one game, it was hard not to notice there's something different about the 2008 Yankees, and it must surely come from the influence of manager Joe Girardi. The Yankees have long been a kind of corporate team on the field, despite the star quality of their players. But they have more of a spring in their step this year — it was detectable in the Grapefruit League — and it's clear Girardi isn't worried about any adverse reaction from opposing teams.
When Melky Cabera hit his home run against Roy Halladay in the sixth inning on Tuesday, he answered the crowd's call for a curtain call by jumping out of the dugout while Halladay was in mid-windup. Most unprofessional. Most un-Yankee-like. But it wasn't just Halladay caught off guard. Normally, a batter will step out of the box if he sees his teammate ready to take a curtain call, as a sign to the pitcher to not begin his windup. But Johnny Damon didn't move.
I'd flipped the channel briefly and missed the moment, but it's been remarked a few times that Halladay was visually showing his displeasure while the event was happening. It being the 315ft home run.
Well, if you ever do find out what it is, kindly send a few truckloads to Damon and Matsui.
Ah, plausible deniability.
I don't remember seeing this either; I will say, however, that Melky shouldn't have gone out mid-pitch - not only is it unfair to the pitcher, its unfair to his own teammate batting. And I'm okay with Halladay getting pissed - the good thing is he took it out on the mound (IIRC, he struck out Damon on three pitches, and did the same to Melky the next time he came up)
You've got it all wrong. Manny is not showboating.
He's just trying to remember which direction he's supposed to run.
Getting excited about striking you out is a compliment! No pitcher does celebratory fist pumps after striking out Rod Barajas, you know?
nah, Joba was doing it last year too, even to the Rod Barajases (Barajasi?) of the world. Only when it was the third out, of course.
Unfortunately (I'm a Red Sox fan), Papelbon craps his pants after just about every out. Reminds me of a college softball game where they literally gather around the mound after every strikeout to celebrate (maybe this is just at LSU- I thankfully haven't seen too many college softball games).
They also get to sing.
If he's your guy, you get a little more pumped up. Otherwise, you love to hate the guy, and there's no feeling better than when you stuff it in his face the next time around.
So ####### arrogant. Exactly what we used to rip on the '86 Mets for doing."
Okay, I have heard the '86 Mets blamed for curtain calls too many times. The 1st team I remember doing curtain calls was the '83 White Sox ("Winning Ugly"), and at the time I recall people saying that whole schtick had started in LA.
And as Rusty said, getting excited about winning the encounter shows that you've ACHIEVED something. I'd be more pissed if the guy just stood there like "Well, of course I struck him out. He's just crap." Though of course he'd be correct.
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