Not a pro wrestling fan, I would guess.

There are certain cities, one of our players gets knocked down and they start laughing and cheering.

I count 29 such cities.

EDIT: Make that 28. In Baltimore only the Yankees fans show up to NYY/BAL games.

Fans in Toronto strongly dislike A-Rod because of the "Mine" incident. He gets routinely booed everytime he goes to bat and much more vocally than he did when he used to get a smattering of boos for being the $252 million man.

So, it's entirely possible that the cutout shot to the game occured during A-Rod's at-bat and one of the kids playing the game was either going to throw at A-Rod anyway or decided it would be funny to do it on the big screen. It's possible and the way the Jays structure this promotion, it does seem like they are cutting live to the two kids playing the video game (which they do every game) as the kids wave to the camera and then keep playing the game. So, it may have just happened that A-Rod was at the plate when they went to the video game and, if that's the case, the Jays can't be blamed for something some kid did.

However, if the Jays deliberately cut to prior footage of the video game and intentionally showed the kids hitting A-Rod, then they're in the wrong. Completely unneccesary. The fued should have been, and presumably was, put to rest when Towers hit A-Rod and the benches emptied. Whatever bad blood still lingers between the two teams and certain individual players shouldn't spill over onto the field or any promotional ventures.

we all woulda been happier if the kids threw at Bonds, I suppose....

Come on, we all know Video A-Rod crowds the plate.

Was this a Blue Jay production, or an ad for a video game produced by an ad agency and just "televised" by the Blue Jays? The story doesn't make it clear. Of course the Daily News wouldn't obscure the matter to better serve their story.

I thought it was just Red Sox pitchers who targeted Yankees batters?

I thought it was just Red Sox pitchers who targeted Yankees batters?

I'm sure we'll be reminded of that in a couple of days.

Yankee envy.

Good to know that the Blue Jays continue to handle the situation with the grace and maturity of a 12-year-old.

Just so everyone knows the promotion has two kids in a booth playing a baseball video game and the footage on the jumbotron is LIVE from what the kids are playing, shown for about 10 seconds. I've seen it every game all year and nothing strange has happened...Usually its a Blue Jay hitting. I saw the kids drill two Yankee players and laughing, the 2nd being Arod which could have been well-timed by the kids or just a fluke. But that's it basically...and usually the crowd has a mind of its own, so I don't who Joe Toree is complaining about. Yes a bunch of people laugh but Arod gets taunted all game by people and he's a Jays killer and he's Arod so why wouldn't people dislike him in Toronto?

“To me, this game is about playing it and not about hurting somebody."

Uh, Joe? Mike Piazza would like a word...

the Jays can't be blamed for something some kid did.

Content control. You run a stupid promotion, you are responsible for the consequences.

I don't know that "Usually its a Blue Jay hitting a homerun" is accurate. I've seen it an awful lot of times where nothing happens. For that reason, I doubt that the Jays cut it way. It is what it is.

As for Joe Torre...when did New Yorkers turn into such a bunch of pussies? Maybe it's the years of exposure to hockey talking but what's his complaint? The video game was "offensive"? If A-Rod had pulled that "mine" stunt on an ice rink, he would have rightfully got the crap kicked out of him. I can't help but notice that hockey doesn't seem to have nearly as many of these little crybabies like A-Rod and Torre. I'm pretty sure that that's a not a bad thing.

I thought it was just Red Sox pitchers who targeted Yankees batters?

Statistics do not lie.

If A-Rod is a crybaby, then what does that make the Blue Jays and their fans?

I don't know? People who ####### about something immediately after it happened and then took action instead of continuing to cry?

“To me, this game is about playing it and not about hurting somebody.

Didn't Joe Torre catch Bob Gibson, baddest man on the planet? And don't the oldtimers like to regale us with how tough baseball used to be, when pitchers would throw at a guy just because he voted for that sissy McGovern or wore his hair 1/16th of an inch too long?

Yeah I changed it. It's not usually a Jays hitting a homerun. But its usually a Jay up to bat trying to hit or maybe a single.

Arod IS a ##### and the Yankees act self-entitled. This has nothing to do with the mine incident, I don't know who brought that up and its not why people in Toronto hate Arod. It's because he's Arod, he's a division rival, and NY is going to the playoffs and we again reemed by baseball's lack of parity are not.

I don't know? People who ####### about something immediately after it happened and then took action instead of continuing to cry?

If you don't think the fans are continuing to cry, read post 15 of this thread.

And the Blue Jays continued to cry about it long afterwards.

And all "Unwritten Rule" stuff is ########.

If A-Rod had pulled that "mine" stunt on an ice rink, he would have rightfully got the crap kicked out of him.

I doubt it. Players bang their sticks on the ice calling for opposing players to pass the puck to them all the time. Or they just give a little yell, hoping the puck handler will pas it to them.

How about the NCAA national championship game, where Freddie Brown passed the ball to a Villanova defender, giving them the title?

Statistics do not lie.
This man disconcurs.

Villanova? Man, you got that example all backwards. Freddie Brown of G'town passed the ball to James Worthy of UNC. Get your facts straight, Crazy Joe.

It was a game though. Joe got that correct.

It was a game though. Joe got that correct.

Yeah, but I'm suspicious he thinks it was lacrosse.

If A-Rod had pulled that "mine" stunt on an ice rink, he would have rightfully got the crap kicked out of him. I can't help but notice that hockey doesn't seem to have nearly as many of these little crybabies like A-Rod and Torre.

Maybe in hockey they wouldn't have been complete sissies and thrown a hissy fit when an opposing player yelled "mine". I know who the crybabies are in this situation.

Pussies and crybabies? Seems to me its the Jays that are crying. A-Rod had a smirk on his face during the entire incident.

Maybe it's me, but generally speaking I find video games to be fairly boring now. Mostly because I don't have the hand eye coordination to master 8 buttons and directional pad. Plus I don't like first person shooters, or fight games and that seems to be all that they release now.

The game I used to love was on Sega, and it you were Chinese general in the time of the 13 kingdoms and you had to right other city states and you could recruit generals and spy and build up cities and all kinds of stuff. It was very user friendly and fun.

I'd like something like that, that doesn't require a ton of manual dexterity.

The game I used to love was on Sega, and it you were Chinese general in the time of the 13 kingdoms and you had to right other city states and you could recruit generals and spy and build up cities and all kinds of stuff. It was very user friendly and fun.

What game was that?

I'm not into the sports or FPS games now. It's more strategy games, since those don't require a lot of twitch.

Maybe it's me, but generally speaking I find video games to be fairly boring now. Mostly because I don't have the hand eye coordination to master 8 buttons and directional pad. Plus I don't like first person shooters, or fight games and that seems to be all that they release now.

The game I used to love was on Sega, and it you were Chinese general in the time of the 13 kingdoms and you had to right other city states and you could recruit generals and spy and build up cities and all kinds of stuff. It was very user friendly and fun.

I'd like something like that, that doesn't require a ton of manual dexterity.

Play PC games. There are a ton of turn-based and real-time strategy games on the PC and they don't require much manual dexterity (or any, in the case of the turn-based ones). I would recommend Civ4. Very good turn-based strategy game.

Also, every FPS game ever released on a console sucks. Gamepads just do not work as a controller for a FPS, you need a mouse and keyboard.

Play PC games. There are a ton of turn-based and real-time strategy games on the PC and they don't require much manual dexterity (or any in the case of the turn-based ones). Also, every FPS game ever released on a console sucks. Gamepads just do not work as a controller for a FPS, you need a mouse and keyboard.

One week a year I go into a Civilization frenzy and get it out of my system. That game is addictive and then all of a sudden--BOOM!--I lose interest. Until a year later.

Total War has been putting out several good turn based games for years now

Villanova? Man, you got that example all backwards. Freddie Brown of G'town passed the ball to James Worthy of UNC. Get your facts straight, Crazy Joe.

I did not get it backwards. I got the beneficiary wrong. Sue me. My point remains. ARod wasn't the first and won't be the last to use that kind of deception in a game. I bet it even happens in lacrosse.

Total War has been putting out several good turn based games for years now

I need a computer that can run Medieval II: Total War. Medieval: Total War and Rome: Total War were great games.

MHS, you're thinking of Romance of the Three Kingdoms. I think the series is up to 11 or 12 by now. The last English-language release was for Playstation 2.
I love Civ (well, Civ3 had some problems), but I always like Alpha Centauri better, even though it was unbalanced.
I'll second the Total War games, too, but you need a serious comp to run those.

One week a year I go into a Civilization frenzy and get it out of my system. That game is addictive and then all of a sudden--BOOM!--I lose interest. Until a year later.

I do the same thing, although I also have a week of Railroad Tycoon per year.

I did not get it backwards. I got the beneficiary wrong. Sue me. My point remains. ARod wasn't the first and won't be the last to use that kind of deception in a game. I bet it even happens in lacrosse.

I don't think Worthy used deception on that play.

I did not get it backwards. I got the beneficiary wrong.

You are crazy. You got the beneficiary wrong, the game wrong, and the teams wrong. Villanova played G'town in '85. The game you're referring to was G'town v. UNC. And, it was basketball.

And don't the oldtimers like to regale us with how tough baseball used to be, when pitchers would throw at a guy just because he voted for that sissy McGovern or wore his hair 1/16th of an inch too long?

Isn't everyone like that in video game baseball? I've thrown at batters because the previous batter drew a walk.

What does FPS mean? Can any of these games run a 1 year old lap top?

Odawg is that romance of the three kingdoms available for xbox?

"I don't know? People who ####### about something immediately after it happened and then took action instead of continuing to cry completely overreact, and then keep ######## after everyone else has forgotten about it?"

Fixed!

I do the same thing, although I also have a week of Railroad Tycoon per year.

It's like we're the same person. That's the other game on my laptop.

Also, every FPS game ever released on a console sucks. Gamepads just do not work as a controller for a FPS, you need a mouse and keyboard.

Well, that's not right. Goldeneye? Perfect Dark? Halo? Gears of War?

You don't know that I didn't know who Freddie Brown played for. You're guessing. As for the rest...SUE ME.

Worthy didn't run up the sideline and put his hands up for the ball before Brown no-looked the pass to him? Brown saw someone coming in his peripheral vision and assumed it was a Hoya. He was tricked. OK, it's flimsier than a hockey player banging his stick on the ice hoping the opponent will pass him the puck.

Hey, I'm defending ARod here. He'll be on the Red Sox next year, so I'm giving him support.

Well, that's not right. Goldeneye? Perfect Dark? Halo? Gears of War?

I will give you that Goldeneye was kinda fun, but only if you played with 4 players at once. Even then, the controls still sucked. Those other games are trash compared to any decent PC FPS. Half-Life 2 or Bioshock are 1000 times better than Halo or Gears of War.

FPS = first person shooter.

What does FPS mean? Can any of these games run a 1 year old lap top?

First Person Shooter, like Quake or the like. Other than the newest games, they'd probably run on your laptop.

Worthy didn't run up the sideline and put his hands up for the ball before Brown no-looked the pass to him? Brown saw someone coming in his peripheral vision and assumed it was a Hoya. He was tricked. OK, it's flimsier than a hockey player banging his stick on the ice hoping the opponent will pass him the puck.

Worthy tried to jump out to deny the ball to an offensive player, just as the offensive player broke for the corner. Freddie was flustered and turned and "passed" the ball to Worthy, who caught it in shock and dribbled the other way.

Now I gotta find it on youtube.

It's like we're the same person. That's the other game on my laptop.

http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-suuy_tgOjo

joe, you crazy.

I hate FPS. Sp what are some good "turn-based" games for PC or x-box... Something about having battles and stuff!

I don't think Worthy did anything like yell for the ball. In fact, Dean Smith will tell you that he was way out of position defensively. The Tar Holes were lucky to win 2 championships because of miscues by the other team (Webber being the other)

I like the new Wii games, and Guitar Hero, but maybe it's just the novelty. I don't like a lot of new games where you have to watch a scene every five mintues to advance the story. I just wanna mash buttons, dammit!

I hate FPS. Sp what are some good "turn-based" games for PC or x-box... Something about having battles and stuff!

Look at the Civilization series and the Total War series. That should be enough to start, and they take a while to get sick of.

SUE HIM SUE HIM HE WILL NOT ADMIT TO AN ERROR

Yes I will. I was reaching back in the memory banks, and evidently there are some damaged files. The spirit of the defense remains...

Everytime I start playing Civilization, I stay awake about 72 hours. It's more addicting than cocaine.

I always loved Alpha Centauri. Much richer and more engrossing, and harder to play well (building the spaceship in Civ was really pretty easy).

Besides DMB, the games currently on my Laptop are Hearts of Iron (although I haven't played that in a year or more), the original Baldur's Gate, and Alpha Centauri. I'm sort of old-school that way. I've heard rumors that the long-awaited Fallout 3 is finally in the works, although I doubt I'll ever have time to play that one.

Everytime I start playing Civilization, I stay awake about 72 hours. It's more addicting than cocaine.

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I hate the Heels, but Webber was trapped in the corner with no timeouts and no teammates coming to help. His timeout didn't give UNC a title or lose the game.

If Freddie makes the pass to his cutting teammate instead of throwing it to Worthy, the Hoyas probably win the game. Worthy committed too soon and got lucky. Maybe you could argue Webber shouldn't have dribbled to the corner, but it isn't the same level of error as the Hoyas, IMO.

Has anyone ever played that Sid Miers Pirates game. I loved that ####. I used to play it on my old commodore 64, then bought a Sega when it came out for Gen. Then an xbox when it came out for x-box.

I love that ####### game.

I think I'll give total war a shot. I'm not very smart, so if it isn't inuitive i'm sunk.

Another Civ game though much more complex (well maybe not I haven't played Civ in like 7 years) is Europa Universalis I and II. No battles, instead you build up your armies like Risk and try to dominate the world. Throw in colonies and trading and so forth and you got a game that has tons of playing time.

Another one they got that is like Civ is Hearts of Iron and it is about WWII. You can play virtually any country in the world and take part in WWII.

Another good one which wasn't released mainstream and I think has sequels out now is Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord. It was turn based but every turn was 1 minute in real time action. So every turn you would give orders to your men and click on action and your men would then proceed to fight/move for one minute based on your commands. Then the action stops and you give them more orders, click on action, rinse and repeat as desired.

Some of the FPS are good but I get sick of them after awhile. Usually one good title will come out that will bring back into that genre and then a million boring and repetitive titles will follow that will chase me right out of the genre. As for gamepads forget it. A couple of months back I tried to play gears of war I think on the console and all I could do is stand in a spot spinning around. Some 19 year old kid who was high as a kite was running rings around me.

Fighting games? Never really liked them, never got into that craze.


Total War though is probably the best. I've got all the games in the series and I think I currently has 3 of the 4 titles installed on my computer. Wasn't really crazy about how they changed the map level of the game. Don't really like having to sit there and spend 5 years (turns) moving an army across the say the German area or taking 8 or 9 turns to move an army by sea. For those who don't know Total War is a perfect blend of Risk-type games and battle-sims. At the top level you move your units around a map much like CIV or Risk and then once you engage in battle you zoom into your troops where you position them and give them orders and fight in battle. The battles needs a lot of hardware, my computer will occasionally beep at me while it is trying to crunch the data.

The addictive side of it is why I stopped playing Axis & Allies on-line or by e-mail. It was taking too much time, and I was obsessed with strategies (plus the fact that I went through a period of insane dice rolls which had me convinced that the computers at AAMC were rigged against me, and no, I'm not usually paranoid).

Has anyone ever played that Sid Miers Pirates game. I loved that ####. I used to play it on my old commodore 64, then bought a Sega when it came out for Gen. Then an xbox when it came out for x-box.

I love that ####### game.

I think I'll give total war a shot. I'm not very smart, so if it isn't inuitive i'm sunk.

You can get an updated version of Pirates for the PC. It's purchasable through Steam.

Has anyone ever played that Sid Miers Pirates game. I loved that ####. I used to play it on my old commodore 64, then bought a Sega when it came out for Gen. Then an xbox when it came out for x-box.

They came out with it again a few years back on the PC, it was pretty fun. They have you dancing with noble ladies, dueling with their boyfriends, and all the other stuff that Pirates has had for decades. I still remember my friend and I playing it on the old Apple IIe. I'm always a sucker for Pirate/sailing games but they are usually so bad.

Apparently the latest Total War is going to be adding naval battles so that should be interesting.

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That is pretty much what happens for me with Total War and the next thing I know it is 4 in the morning.

By the way if you want the old games of your youth again simply go to one of the abandonware sites or even one of the emulator sites. Pretty much anything that was decent from a decade and further back is available for free for download. You can pick up Axis and Allies for free, Blood Bowl for free, Ancient Art of War (and Sea, and Air which was a weird one), One on One (I believe both versions), Lakers vs. Celtics, Oregon Trail, all the old Sid Meier games, and one my personal favorites of all time Revolution. A game about the revolutionary war down back in the 80's I believe.

"I've heard rumors that the long-awaited Fallout 3 is finally in the works"

Oh, how I've longed to hear these words.

Lemmings, people.

Lemmings!

Can I find "Science Island"?

Lemmings, people.

Lemmings!


Lemmings

Villanova? Man, you got that example all backwards. Freddie Brown of G'town passed the ball to James Worthy of UNC. Get your facts straight, Crazy Joe.

Patrick Ewing was victimized by events beyond his control so often, it's hard to keep up.

Can I find "Science Island"?

I take it you mean Secrets of Science Island? Don't know but you can get Sopwith

Fallout 3 teaser

Fallout 3 teaser

They did a good job of capturing the feel of the intros to the first two games. I guess we'll see how it turns out...

Hearts of Iron was a good game, but a little too slow for my tastes.

Heroes of Might and Magic is easily the greatest fantasy-based strategy series. The original sucks, but the other 4 are really good, with the 3rd being the best overall.

That's it, I'm getting HoMM3 installed when I get home from work.

Total War is awesome - I upgraded my video card just for Medieval II. The Total War community does some great mods, too, and the company's very supportive of them.

Talking baseball then you got to talk Earl Weaver Baseball one and two. I still remember riding my bike out Egghead at Fox Valley mall one summer morning to buy the commissioner's disk for that.

Oh and I think the greatest football game of all time was the Front Page Sports series of football games. At the time it simply blew away Madden.

For me there will never be a better car game then Test drive, no I take that back Midtown Madness was really fun as well.

Total War is awesome - I upgraded my video card just for Medieval II. The Total War community does some great mods, too, and the company's very supportive of them.

I had to do that for I belive Rome: Total War. I always chuckle at that, spending $400 dollars for a $40 game.

I had to do that for I belive Rome: Total War. I always chuckle at that, spending $400 dollars for a $40 game.

I bet it was worth it.

The Total War community does some great mods, too, and the company's very supportive of them.

The company is very smart for that reason.

The only thing I regret a little is I looked up the cheats for the latest Total War and don't have enough control over myself to not use them. Granted it is a bit cool to have the Scots take over the known world but it does take some of the challenge out of it. But I did discover that if at all possible send as many merchants as you can to Timbuktu the place is loaded with money. More then Constantinople or Antioch.

I bet it was worth it.

Well I don't plan on doing it again. The PC Game industry is dead and I have no desire to join a MMORPG so I have no real desire to fork over big bucks for a new computer or new hardware simply for 2 or 3 decent titles that will come out every few years. The computer I got now is probably the oldest computer I have ever had. I've had it for almost 5 years now and it still does everything I need it to do.

God this thread would have totally dominated my life when I had more time: computer video games (QFG anyone?), Yankees AND UNC. Where has all my fun gone? I am surprised the other UNC haters didn't mention the 'phantom travel' by Allan Ray in 05. I hear that a lot.

Well I don't plan on doing it again. The PC Game industry is dead and I have no desire to join a MMORPG so I have no real desire to fork over big bucks for a new computer or new hardware simply for 2 or 3 decent titles that will come out every few years. The computer I got now is probably the oldest computer I have ever had. I've had it for almost 5 years now and it still does everything I need it to do.

MMORPGs are a fad and will likely see a gigantic reduction in terms of both games available and people who play it. You can only kill the same thing so many times before you want to set the computer on fire.

New game series are not coming out like they used to. Out of my 10 favorite computer games, all 10 are from a series that has another game in the top 10. It's ridiculous how slowly they come out with good games that aren't simply a sequel of another game.

Well what I think is ridiculous is that these hardware giants don't do something about the PC game genre. Sure a lot of graphic cards get sold for uses other then games but a ton of them get bought for games. Less games less reasons to buy graphic cards. Same with steering wheels, cockpits, speakers, and joysticks.

The other week I had to rush home because of an emergency and hole up at my parents house for several days with nothing to do. I went to best buy to see if I could find a game to while away the hours and I discovered there is about 7 games out for the PC. Oh sure they have different names but they are all the same game. You basically got your Everquest, Starcraft, Civilization, Panzer General, Myst, SimCity, and Doom. That is it and basically all the games in each genre feel and play exactly the same. I walked away empty handed.

Well he was going to call a timeout once got the ball but he changed his mind which caused the travel. you could tell he was confused from the beginning on that play but granted I don't know the rulebook backwards and forward but never actually called time nor made the complete gesture for time on the first instance.

Well what I think is ridiculous is that these hardware giants don't do something about the PC game genre. Sure a lot of graphic cards get sold for uses other then games but a ton of them get bought for games. Less games less reasons to buy graphic cards. Same with steering wheels, cockpits, speakers, and joysticks.

For a while the constant increase in minimum requirements helped them sell more products. Only now when computer games take 3+ years to develop is it hurting them. New game types are few and far between, so it's mostly just improved versions of successful games. Why spend millions and 3+ years for a game that has no following to start with?

I think gaming will go back to being small for a while. A good game is much better than flashy graphics, and companies get followings for their products when they make really good ones. Blizzard is the best example of this.

MMORPGs are a fad and will likely see a gigantic reduction in terms of both games available and people who play it. You can only kill the same thing so many times before you want to set the computer on fire.

That's not what MMORPGs are about. That what people who don't play MMORPGs think they are about.

The fighting part of the game is basically chrome on a large online chat server. Even the trade skills are pretty much the same. The relationships with other people are what keeps them coming back; the game is about working together to accomplish goals, and the goals become pretty unimportant.

I say this as someone who never gets into the social network for too long so never really falls in love with any of them. I play WoW occasionally but I'm about to cancel my account, I think. When the Red Ring of Death issue is repaired, I'll be playing Bioshock for a while.

That's not what MMORPGs are about. That what people who don't play MMORPGs think they are about.

You're entirely correct about what keeps people in the games. But at some point, people will decide that $10-$15 for a social network just isn't worth it. And let's face it, the actual gaming part of it is lacking outside of PvP(which is also usually lacking).

But at some point, people will decide that $10-$15 for a social network just isn't worth it. And let's face it, the actual gaming part of it is lacking outside of PvP(which is also usually lacking).

I certainly hope so. MMORPGs have really ripped the heart out of the PC Gaming industry to a large extent.

The only MMORPG I ever belonged to was to the WWII one and at the time it was free while they were still working out the kinks. At the time it had almost none of the social part of MMORPG and all of the going around killing things. It wasn't that fun and I found the clannish nature of the groups as the progressed unpleasant. I mean who has time to join the 15th Black Knight Ranger squadron? I could never see myself spending 10 to 15 dollars a month so I can say LOL or ROTFLMAO over and over again for hours while some fat guy eating doritos tells me how the world works.

I can do that for free here.

The Blue Jays have become a classless organization full of losers and wannabes, supported by whining pathetic loser fans still bitter that the Leafs are the new Rangers (as in "1967").

Hard to believe that 15 years ago, the Yankees were a joke and the Blue Jays were a model franchise.

I think McCoy's no. 88 was partially directed at me, so I assure the crowd that I'm in fact quite thin and at the time I was eating cheese balls rather than doritos.

No Vaux it wasn't directed at you, well I guess technically since I was talking about BTF as a whole you are right it is partially directed at your but for that matter it is partially directed at me. I meant no malice by it simply cracking a joke.

You know if this had happened in Yankee Stadium, the kids would have had at least one maybe two curtain calls. That would have happened after Cano's curtain call for moving the runner over to third on a weak groundout to first.

I was at the Giants game on Monday and Bengie hit two home runs and there was no curtain call.

McCoy, I was just making a joke too, though I did have a post yesterday in which I told you that something wasn't "how the world works." (I think I used those words, anyway.)

I figured as much since you added the cheese ball part but I wanted to make sure.

Gotta love Dusty Diamond's All-Star Softball for the NES. I'm not sure how easy it is to find a cartrige version of that classic, but you can easily find a ROM on the net. I'll never get sick of players who can jump 10 feet in the air to rob home runs.

I count 29 such cities.

So I guess you never learned to count.

As for Joe Torre...when did New Yorkers turn into such a bunch of pussies? Maybe it's the years of exposure to hockey talking but what's his complaint? The video game was "offensive"? If A-Rod had pulled that "mine" stunt on an ice rink, he would have rightfully got the crap kicked out of him. I can't help but notice that hockey doesn't seem to have nearly as many of these little crybabies like A-Rod and Torre. I'm pretty sure that that's a not a bad thing.

I find it comforting that in an alternate universe where A-Rod plays hockey, Darcy Tucker would have ended his career a long time ago.

The game I used to love was on Sega, and it you were Chinese general in the time of the 13 kingdoms and you had to right other city states and you could recruit generals and spy and build up cities and all kinds of stuff. It was very user friendly and fun.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms. It's up to 11 now. It's a great game.

I just hope for Fallout 3, not that I'll have time to play it, they learn from the bomb that was Fallout Tactics and go back to the Fallout 1 & 2 style. I loved those games.

Other series that killed themselves by deviating too far from the original smash-hit format: X-Com (1 & 2 awesome, 3 a complete bomb) and Deus Ex (1 awesome, 2 they tried to dumb it down for a wider audience and just succeeded in making it dumb). What seems to be often forgotten is that game series (or seri?) are like sitcoms - people want familiarity. They want innovation, yeah, but within the framework - witness the aforementioned Civ franchise, which is still going stronger than ever at game #4. Innovation within the framework.