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Thursday, January 15, 2009

N.Y. Magazine: Leitch: The Mets’ Inexplicable Funk

The Mets need you to know that the reason they haven’t made a significant signing in a matter of months is not because the Wilpons were fleeced by Bernie Madoff. “Categorically unrelated,” a spokesperson told CNBC. But for a team that has a new stadium opening, two awful “collapses” in two years, and a crosstown rival spending like Brewster’s Millions, it’s a strange time to suddenly become stingy.

The Mets blitzed out of the gate, picking up two of baseball’s top relievers in Francisco Rodriguez and J.J. Putz. (Actually at bargain rates, relatively speaking.) But the team still had plenty of needs, particularly in the starting rotation. The obvious target seemed to be Derek Lowe, a big-game, big-city pitcher whose deadening ground-ball presence might be especially needed at the new Citi Field, which Mets players who have tried out the stadium say is a “launching pad.” (Perhaps the most underreported story of the Mets off-season: That Citi is expected to be a homer-happy park.) But when it came down to it, the Mets weren’t willing to pony up as much as the rival Braves, and now not only do they not have Lowe, they’re going to have to face him four times a year for the next four years.

(violently rips Lou Courtney’s ‘Hot Butter’n’All’ off turntable)...I thought Citi Field was going to be a pitchers park?

Repoz Posted: January 15, 2009 at 08:21 AM | 30 comment(s)
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   1. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 08:33 AM (#3052545)
I thought Citi Field was going to be a pitchers park?

We won't know until they start playing the games. It's all speculatorical at this point.
   2. HOPE: Madison Obamagarner (Flynn)  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 08:41 AM (#3052548)
Shea was 338-371-410. Citi is 335-379-408-383-330.
   3. Edmundo is Super Average Man  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 08:57 AM (#3052556)
Shea was 338-371-410
Coincidentally, those were Oprah's measurements when she started her latest diet.
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   4. Vaux, A.B.D.  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 09:04 AM (#3052559)
That doesn't sound "homer happy" to me, unless Flushing has risen about 3,000 feet.
   5. depletion  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 09:12 AM (#3052568)
I am not a number. I am a free man.
   6. depletion  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 09:13 AM (#3052569)
It's the wind, not the distance to the fences.
   7. karkface killah  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 09:22 AM (#3052576)
NY Magazine can suck it. It took them 4 months to correctly forward my subscription and now I receive an issue every three weeks or so. A$$holes.
   8. Hubie Brooks (Not Really)  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 09:24 AM (#3052582)
1st thing....

It hasn't been "months" it has been a month and a couple of days since they signed K-Rod.
   9. Lassus  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 10:36 AM (#3052652)
Has a single other human besides Leitch reported on this "homer-happy" park? It may be under-reported if it came out of his ass.
   10. PH  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 10:45 AM (#3052662)
Sox Frustrated by Colon's Inexplicable Funk.
   11. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!)  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 10:52 AM (#3052663)
I guess if there was a trade with the Yankees you could say that "Mets Grab Wang to End Funk"
   12. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM (#3052670)
I am not a number. I am a free man.


KHAAANNNN!

KHAAANNNN!
   13. Chipper Jonestown Massacre  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 11:34 AM (#3052709)
I don't know if just looking at how deep the the outfield wall is tells you much about whether a ballpark will be conducive to HR's or not. It's an element in the equation, but there are a lot more elements to consider (ballpark configuration, wind patterns, etc.)

Turner Field's dimensions are actually a tad smaller than Atlanta-Fulton Co., but The Ted plays more as neutral, or even a pitchers park at times, as compared to the old "Launching Pad".
   14. twon8  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM (#3052737)
The only ones to take bp at the new park were Wright, Murphy and Evans; three young hitters who should be able to hit balls out of any park during bp.
   15. will  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM (#3052763)
The story in yesterday's NYT, states that the Mets have sold the equivalent (when providing for partial season ticket plans) of 20,000 season tickets. That is NOT a big number, for the first year of a new park, in a market like New York. Maybe they are a bit nervous about what their revenue will be next year, and when combined with debt service and the owner's unusual financial disasters, the Mets may not have any more money to spend.
   16. AJM  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 12:33 PM (#3052775)
The story in yesterday's NYT, states that the Mets have sold the equivalent (when providing for partial season ticket plans) of 20,000 season tickets. That is NOT a big number,

What's a good percentage? Don't they have less than 40,000 seats?
   17. Joey B.  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 12:37 PM (#3052778)
The official capacity is listed at around 45,000, which includes standing room.

I'll be pretty shocked if they don't sell out every game this season, or damn close to it, even in this economy.
   18. zack  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM (#3052797)
Citi Field has essentially the same dimensions as Shea, but it faces north-east instead of directly east like Shea. It also has much more cover in the outfield (citi,shea), so you'd expect there to be less wind blowing in. And my memory says the wind did have a dramatic effect on home runs in Shea at times, balls that were crushed but lofted were famous for absolutely dying at the warning track.

Glancing at hittracker data, it looks like the balls that were lofted were those helped most by the wind, however. They also seem to be mostly balls hit to right center, so perhaps the scoreboard has an effect. This would be really interesting if there was hit tracker data on balls that didn't make it out as well, but I don't see any.

2008 in Shea:
March/April    0.226    0.331    0.353
May    0.262    0.335    0.414
June    0.255    0.336    0.387
July    0.257    0.338    0.409
August    0.245    0.309    0.426
September    0.27    0.349    0.424
   19. thetailor  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 02:30 PM (#3052913)
Its in about the same place, about the same size, and faces almost the same direction. Why is this a big deal? If I had to guess, it'll play slightly better for pitchers than Shea Stadium, but I doubt the difference will be appreciable. As zack just mentioned, I think the biggest difference between the two was that Shea had the open outfield which let the wind in when it was blowing in but not blowing out, but that should be more than balanced by the higher walls and deeper LCF and RCF. I can't wait to get in there.
   20. will  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 02:56 PM (#3052936)
"What's a good percentage? Don't they have less than 40,000 seats?"

In their first year at Citizen's Bank Park, the Phillies sold about 28-30 K season ticket equivalents. I think most of the people who are buying full or partial season tickets have already made their commitments, and the Mets are at 20,000. It is likely to increase to 25,000, but that is not overwhelming.
   21. The Good Face  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 03:14 PM (#3052955)
Am I the only one here who thinks "The Mets' Inexplicable Funk" would make a pretty good band name/album title?
   22. snapper  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 03:19 PM (#3052957)
Am I the only one here who thinks "The Mets' Inexplicable Funk" would make a pretty good band name/album title?

I think just "Inexplicable Funk" is much better. Of course, it would probably have to be a funk band.
   23. Johnny Clash  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 03:45 PM (#3052987)
Will the luxury boxes at Citi Field be trimmed in soft Corinthian leather?
   24. Dag Nabbit: formerly tolerant of lactose  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 03:46 PM (#3052991)
I think just "Inexplicable Funk" is much better. Of course, it would probably have to be a funk band.

Nah - that would be explicable funk. Now if the Mormon Tabernacle Choir released that able - THAT would be Inexplicable.
   25. snapper  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 03:59 PM (#3053015)
Nah - that would be explicable funk. Now if the Mormon Tabernacle Choir released that able - THAT would be Inexplicable.

Are the Mormons singing funk?
   26. Where's Vince Lloyd Now That We Need Him?(sjs1959)  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 10:46 PM (#3053378)
How about Marie Osmond touring with Parliament/Funkadelic?
   27. Harold  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 11:29 PM (#3053398)
Has a single other human besides Leitch reported on this "homer-happy" park? It may be under-reported if it came out of his ass.

Right, didn't we just have a thread on this speculating the opposite?
   28. Harold  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 11:31 PM (#3053401)
   29. Tom D  Posted: January 15, 2009 at 11:57 PM (#3053412)
I used to read about the poor hitting visibility at Shea. I would presume that would not be the case at CF.
   30. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..)  Posted: January 16, 2009 at 02:08 AM (#3053456)
How about Marie Osmond touring with Parliament/Funkadelic?
Now that would be inexplicable.

I think it needs to hang on something. I'm leaning towards Lester's Inexplicable Funk
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