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N.Y. Observer: Megdal: The Torre-for-Randolph Fantasy

Howard adds…“CBS’ new drama, Manager Swap!”

It is commonly assumed that if Joe Torre had been a free agent, rather than property of the Los Angeles Dodgers, he, and not Willie Randolph, would currently be manager of the New York Mets. That chorus will likely quiet a bit after the Mets completed a 5-2 homestand by defeating the Dodgers Sunday night, 6-1.

But the funny idea of the whole Torre-for-Randolph idea is that there’s no evidence that the aspects of Randolph’s managing that have come under fire most—his lack of demonstrated passion, his deference to veterans, and his problems managing his bullpen—would have altered with this particular regime change. After all, Randolph learned his style by Joe Torre’s side as a bench coach for much of Torre’s Yankee tenure.

While Willie Randolph has yet to be ejected from a game, there are some who have argued his failure to kick dirt on an umpire has led to an indifference from his team. But Joe Torre hardly qualifies as a Bobby Cox-level umpire agitator. Torre has only one ejection this season, and one all of last season. Clearly, the success Joe Torre had in leading the New York Yankees to 12 straight playoff appearances wasn’t based on his willingness to be a yeller.

Shouldn’t that be old yeller…because of Torre’s resemblance to the mummified Coates family?

Repoz Posted: June 02, 2008 at 02:42 PM | 11 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. Hubie Brooks (Not Really) Posted: June 02, 2008 at 02:58 PM (#2803007)
I was at Shea last night. I don't get the "love" for Torre. He brought me nothing but pain and suffering in my baseball life.
   2. Bob T Posted: June 02, 2008 at 03:51 PM (#2803037)
If you watched the game on ESPN, you wouldn't believe that the Dodgers had anyone on their team except Torre and Russell Martin.

The opening Jose Reyes montage was something where an ESPN producer decided "I'm going to use every single effect possible to deify Jose Reyes." The big digital overlay of "REYES" on the outfield grass to finish it up gave it something of a Kim Jong Il feel.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 02, 2008 at 03:58 PM (#2803044)
Well he did lead the Mets to a .405 winning percentage. Bring him back!

Incidentally, I had no idea he was a player manager with the Mets. Pete Rose is the only recent player manager I can think of. Who else has there been since the Divisional split?
   4. Elvis Posted: June 02, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2803048)
Frank Robinson was a player-manager for the Indians in the mid-70s.
   5. Bob T Posted: June 02, 2008 at 04:16 PM (#2803059)
Don Kessinger was a player-manager for the White Sox.
   6. Boots Day Posted: June 02, 2008 at 04:17 PM (#2803061)
Don Kessinger was a player-manager briefly with the White Sox.
   7. HowardMegdal Posted: June 02, 2008 at 04:27 PM (#2803067)
Wasn't Don Kessinger a player-manager with the White Sox? Possibly for a short period of time?
   8. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: June 02, 2008 at 04:30 PM (#2803069)
Ron Kissinger was a stage manager with tight socks.

Pass it on.
   9. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: June 02, 2008 at 05:27 PM (#2803113)
The opening Jose Reyes montage was something where an ESPN producer decided "I'm going to use every single effect possible to deify Jose Reyes." The big digital overlay of "REYES" on the outfield grass to finish it up gave it something of a Kim Jong Il feel.

Can we get an article about the hot month Jose Reyes had in May, 310/379/534? Or does he need to carry a 350+ OBP for the season before we can do this? I thoroughly enjoy non Mets fans responses of:

Good Jose = he is overrated

Bad Jose = this is more likely who he is

I'm thankful he turned his first month around, we need a lot more good Reyes and Beltran.
   10. Rich Posted: June 02, 2008 at 06:07 PM (#2803167)
Bring back Bobby V. instead.
   11. Bob T Posted: June 03, 2008 at 02:36 AM (#2803811)
I didn't say Reyes was overrated. I just thought ESPN's video piece on him was overdone.
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