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Monday, June 18, 2007

N.Y. Post: BOMBERS CONSIDER DEAL FOR HILLENBRAND (RR)

Fear not...Dr. Madan Kataria’s School of Laughter Yoga has new hours.

The Yankees have talked to the Angels about Shea Hillenbrand, a right-handed hitting first baseman they were interested in this past offseason when he was a free agent.

Hillenbrand’s playing time with the Angels has been reduced because of Casey Kotchman’s emergence at the plate (.333, eight HRs, 35 RBIs). Even though Kotchman suffered a concussion Saturday, the Angels are still willing to move the 31-year-old Hillenbrand, batting .246 with three homers and 18 RBIs.

Is Hillenbrand an upgrade over the combination of Miguel Cairo and Josh Phelps? That’s the question facing the Yankees, who eventually will get Doug Mientkiewicz back from wrist surgery.

Repoz Posted: June 18, 2007 at 07:43 AM | 39 comment(s)
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   1. Buster Olney the Lonely Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:00 AM (#2407850)
Please make it happen, Cash. Please.
   2. walt williams bobblehead Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:09 AM (#2407851)
Please.
   3. zonk Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:15 AM (#2407852)
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
   4. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:22 AM (#2407854)
On Sunday Night Baseball last night, they said Minky was out for the year. Is that right, or is this article right?
   5. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:36 AM (#2407862)
I wasn't aware the Yankees needed a new clubhouse attendant. Shea should fit that role well.
   6. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'. Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:46 AM (#2407865)
Get. This. Done.

Come on, Bri.
   7. The Clarence Thomas of BTF (scott) Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:53 AM (#2407870)
Shea Hillenbrand to Brian Cashman: "Trade for me, Faggot."
   8. Larry Mahnken Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:56 AM (#2407871)
As a patchwork solution until they get someone else, I don't have a problem with this. Hillenbrand's playing horribly this year, but has been a decent enough hitter in his career, and is a much better option than Cairo.

Hillenbrand should come nearly free-of-charge, and can be jettisoned easily enough if they get someone else. My only problem is that they'd do just as well to call up Andy Phillips, whose production would probably be at least as good, whose defense will almost certainly be better, and whose upside is likely higher.

But it's better than Cairo. So I'm fine with this.
   9. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:57 AM (#2407873)
Does Philips still have options?
   10. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: June 18, 2007 at 09:00 AM (#2407876)
Wouldn't Don Mattingly be a better option than Hillenbrand at this point?
   11. AROM Posted: June 18, 2007 at 09:02 AM (#2407878)
If this happens, my reaction will be:

Great trade. Who'd we get? Doesn't have to be a who though, if the Yankees offer an empty soda can, it will still be a good exchange.
   12. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: June 18, 2007 at 09:06 AM (#2407880)
Why would they trade anyone. Hillenbrand will be on waivers shortly.
   13. TVerik fondly recalls Todd Palin's facial hair Posted: June 18, 2007 at 09:06 AM (#2407881)
TVerik's crystal ball:

Yankees offer "future considerations".

Hillenbrand hits .670 with 247 home runs the rest of the year, propelling the Yankees to the AL East crown.

Darren complains.
   14. villageidiom Posted: June 18, 2007 at 09:07 AM (#2407883)
July 22, 2007
HILLENBRAND DISSATISFIED

NEW YORK -- In postgame comments, Shea Hillenbrand expressed his displeasure
with the amount of playing time he has had. "It's just wrong," he said. "I
should be out there. It's obvious I should be out there."

With Johnny Damon ailing from 74 separate minor injuries, Joe Torre once again
put Damon at DH in his customary leadoff spot, with Jason Giambi at first base
and Melky Cabrera in center field. Torre has used the same alignment for the
last two games, after having Hillenbrand at first base in every game since he
joined the Yankees just over a month ago. Hillenbrand has hit .022 in that time.

"(Joe) Torre has it in for me," Hillenbrand said. When asked to elaborate,
Hillenbrand continued, "He doesn't care about me. Never has. He put me on the
bench all this time, when he knows I want to play, and he didn't give me
anything. I mean, he explained the situation and all, but the least the little
(homophobic slur) could have done is sent me a (expletive) card or something.
He doesn't care."

Johnny Damon raised an eyebrow when told of the comments. "Well that's not the
Joe Torre I know. He's been very kind, very understanding, very gentle and
loving. I'm sure Shea is frustrated, but it's a long season and we've just got
to take it one game at a time."

When it was suggested that Torre didn't have another choice, Hillenbrand shot
back, "Of course he has choices. He didn't have to bench me. I can play third
base, too, you know."

NOTES: Rodriguez continues his torrid pace for the month, hitting .487 since
July 1... Cabrera has now hit safely in 10 consecutive at-bats over the last
two games... Damon strained his left eyebrow during postgame comments. He is
not expected to miss any time.
   15. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: June 18, 2007 at 09:19 AM (#2407889)

Hillenbrand hits .670 with 247 home runs the rest of the year, propelling the Yankees to the AL East crown.


Yea, they do seem to have a penchant for turning crap into post-season heroes. Ugh.
   16. Mayonnaise Savant (DTM) Posted: June 18, 2007 at 09:51 AM (#2407909)

Great trade. Who'd we get? Doesn't have to be a who though, if the Yankees offer an empty soda can, it will still be a good exchange.


It's worth 10 cents in Michigan!
   17. JPWF13 Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:05 AM (#2407930)
As a patchwork solution until they get someone else, I don't have a problem with this. Hillenbrand's playing horribly this year, but has been a decent enough hitter in his career, and is a much better option than Cairo.


well you're right, he's a better option than Cairo...

really he's a godawful 1B- his career high OPS+ is 109- at age 26, he also had marks of 108 and 106 at ages 28-29
he has no defensive value, his MLE up to age 25 indicate someone who would have ben even worse than that- I suspect his age 26-29 106-109 OPS+ marks were simply him spiking and that he's an 80-95 OPS+ caliber player or worse from here on-

so as a Met fan I think the Yankees shoudl go get him :-)

If I was a Yankee fan I'd rather see what Shelley Duncan can do- hell as bed as he's been I'd rather see Josh Phelps play every day
[If I was a yankee fan I'd want to know why they released Pena last year- the disappointing Detroit Tiger version was a better player than Hillenbrand]
   18. Rich Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:11 AM (#2407936)
I don't want Shea because it would likely prevent them from acquiring a better 1Bman.

Call up Andy Phillips and give him a shot.
   19. Larry Mahnken Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:15 AM (#2407939)
I don't want Shea because it would likely prevent them from acquiring a better 1Bman.


Uh... how?
   20. Cowboy Popup Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:34 AM (#2407958)
"If I was a Yankee fan I'd rather see what Shelley Duncan can do- hell as bed as he's been I'd rather see Josh Phelps play every day
[If I was a yankee fan I'd want to know why they released Pena last year- the disappointing Detroit Tiger version was a better player than Hillenbrand]"

Cashman the Pena thing really stands out. The Yanks didn't give him a chance last year because they wanted Phillips to get a shot. But the guy has a good glove and (now obvious) upside that guys like Phelps and Minky don't have. Shelly Duncan is also a better option. But at this point, Cashman will have to kill Cairo or provide a "true allstar" (like Shea Hillenbrand) to get Torre to play someone other then Cairo at first. Phelps isn't even starting against lefties anymore.
   21. Rich Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:34 AM (#2407959)
Uh... how?


If they take on Hillenbrand's remaining contract, I think it's less likely that they will continue to pursue Teixeira or even Dunn (although he may have to DH), who are also reportedly two players the Angels are interested in because they have the same need that the Yankees do.

So perhaps prevent was a poor word choice. More accurately, it may divert them from pursuing a better option.
   22. Paul M is filibustering vigilantly Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:36 AM (#2407961)
Paging Randall to the Yankees front office...please speak with Mr. Cashman immediately. Thank you.

Hell, get Ackbar on the phone, too.
   23. Larry Mahnken Posted: June 18, 2007 at 10:49 AM (#2407976)
So perhaps prevent was a poor word choice. More accurately, it may divert them from pursuing a better option.


See, I think Cashman just views this as a stopgap until they make another move.
   24. Rich Posted: June 18, 2007 at 11:15 AM (#2407998)
See, I think Cashman just views this as a stopgap until they make another move.


Maybe, but a productive first few weeks from Shea could defer that plan just long enough to convince Cashman that another move isn't a priority, especially if Torre, who has always had an affinity for Hillenbrand (perhaps because he has "a belly full of guts"?), counsels against the necessity of a further upgrade.
   25. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: June 18, 2007 at 11:28 AM (#2408009)
Subtraction by addition. I like it.
   26. Garth has been one-uped by Brian Bannister Posted: June 18, 2007 at 11:59 AM (#2408030)
It's all good. Didn't you hear? Jeter has given up His production at shortstop so that the Yankees might live, even with sinful production at first base.
   27. scareduck Posted: June 18, 2007 at 04:43 PM (#2408293)
It's all good. Didn't you hear? Jeter has given up His production at shortstop so that the Yankees might live, even with sinful production at first base.

God plays for the Yankees? At short?
   28. The Bones McCoy of THT ... of DOOM! Posted: June 18, 2007 at 04:51 PM (#2408304)
Yankees lose game five and six of the World Series knotting the Fall Classic at 3-3. Written on the clubhouse bulletin board: THIS IS A SINKING SHIP!

Best Regards

John
   29. kevin Posted: June 18, 2007 at 05:12 PM (#2408319)
I'd pay money to see the Yankees trade for Hillenbrand.
   30. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: June 18, 2007 at 05:17 PM (#2408323)
I dont think the yankees wold give up anything for hillenbrand. They know the Angels have to make a move when Izturis comes off the DL
   31. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: June 18, 2007 at 05:23 PM (#2408325)
I'd pay money to see the Yankees trade for Hillenbrand.

I'll match whatever you put up.
   32. kevin Posted: June 18, 2007 at 05:25 PM (#2408328)
I could see them giving up an AA c prospect with a little upside, sj. Not nothing, but a guy who has little chance of ever becoming anything.
   33. kevin Posted: June 18, 2007 at 05:35 PM (#2408338)
Do my eyes deceive me or is BB-ref correct in listing Hillenbrand as a two-time AS?
   34. Loren F.'s well-anchored glenoid Posted: June 18, 2007 at 05:41 PM (#2408345)
I just don't see the point. I know that, based on Shea's past couple of seasons, there's the chance that his OPS rebounds above its current unexpectedly low level of .593 (that's an OPS+ of 60, for those keeping score). I know too that Miguel Cairo's OPS of .603 (OPS+ of 65) is, sadly, about what we'd expect. But Cairo has shown some upside this season -- his OPS at 1B is .771. Meanwhile, we don't know if Shea's current true talent has plunged to an OPS+ of 60; after all, we're dealing with a larger (though small) sample size for Shea than for Miggy. Then, defensively, Cairo has a little more range at 1B than Hillenbrand, although Hilly has more experience at the position: but they're both very bad defensive 1B-men. The upshot is that I think trading for Hillenbrand would be pointless: it seems like the Yankees would simply be getting a surly Miguel Cairo.
   35. The Orodruin of DOOM Posted: June 18, 2007 at 06:04 PM (#2408365)
Do my eyes deceive me or is BB-ref correct in listing Hillenbrand as a two-time AS?


Not only was he an all-star in 2002, he was voted by the fans - I'm guessing mostly Red Sox fans - to be the starting thirdbaseman.

At the break, he was hitting .298/.331/.490. The other 3B on the squad were Robin Ventura (.263/.367/.511) and Tony Batista (.269/.340/.522). Eric Chavez (.271/.341/.542) missed the cut.
   36. Biff, Red Sox Jinx Posted: June 18, 2007 at 06:36 PM (#2408385)
I know too that Miguel Cairo's OPS of .603 (OPS+ of 65) is, sadly, about what we'd expect. But Cairo has shown some upside this season -- his OPS at 1B is .771.

Miguel Cairo is a known quantity. He doesn't really have an upside of that sort.
   37. Once upon a time, there was Francisco Liriano... Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:26 PM (#2408575)
I'm sorry but a Hillenbrand move would be a mistake by the yankees. As a yankee fan, i don't want him on the tem after the stunts he pulled in Toronto. We don't need a bad attitude guy like him. Plus, He's a peice of garbage on the feild too. I bet the Angels can't wait to unload him onto the Yankees, and for good reasons. Don't do it, Cash! We don't need a stacked lineup, we're wining with Cairo at first base - Why all the panic about one position? Get a relief pitcher if anything, I cringe whenever I see Luis Viscaino trotting through the bullpen's gates.
   38. Once upon a time, there was Francisco Liriano... Posted: June 18, 2007 at 08:31 PM (#2408594)
Plus, what was all that "This is a sinking ship" sh!t about? I guess he was referring tio his own career...


Imagine what would've written on the blackboard after the first part of this season.
   39. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: June 18, 2007 at 09:16 PM (#2408735)
Do my eyes deceive me or is BB-ref correct in listing Hillenbrand as a two-time AS?

He wasn't any worse than two-time AS Scott Cooper, was he?
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