I'm really starting to like Hank Steinbrenner.

Joe gets some serious hanky-spanky.

..."You can’t take credit for success when you’re going good, and then not take at least some of the blame when things change,” Steinbrenner said. “I’m sorry he feels insulted, but that was not the intent.”

Is this a comment about Torre or Cashman---I can't really tell.

..."You can’t take credit for success when you’re going good, and then not take at least some of the blame when things change,” Steinbrenner said. “I’m sorry he feels insulted, but that was not the intent.”

I love how this logic works.

The contract was offered as a way of blaming Torre for the playoff losses. But it wasn't an insult. It was just an honest assessment of his failure, in contract form.

Yeah, can't imagine why anyone would ever take offense at that.

(I will note that Repoz is correct, and there's some awesome Murdochian journamalism going on here. The word "ingrate" appears in quotes in the headline, but Hank is never quoted as using that word. That's some serious hackery.)

“Where was Joe’s career in ‘95 when my dad hired him?” said the new Boss. “My dad was crucified for hiring him."

In his press conference, Torre was very clear to thank the Yankees and the owner for that opportunity.

Hard to take any grown man seriously after he repeatedly brags about his "dad" to the press.

"You can’t take credit for success when you’re going good, and then not take at least some of the blame when things change,” Steinbrenner said.

I'm cool with that. Therefore, George, as the BOSS, has failed for the last seven years. Put him out to pasture.

Put him out to pasture.

Aren't they doing this?

Owners such as Steinbrenner takes the responsibility for the Yankees recent "failures". Managers such as Torre takes the blame.

As 1970s comedian David Frye said on an album about Watergate as he imitated Richard Nixon: "I take full responsibility. But not the blame. Let me, let me explain the difference. People who are to blame lose their jobs. People who are responsible do not."

Look at the bright side, Joe. At least the Steinbrenners are not asking your brother Frank to return the heart the Yankee job was able to get him in 1996. Yet.

As a lifelong Yankees hater, I think this situation requires popcorn.

Hank and Hal should just shut up. Nobody likes heirs to sports or newspaper franchises when they first came on. They have no rapport or credibility with the fans right now. Any quotes just prolong the Torre story without any benefits to their family or the team.

The Yankees are united on Alex Rodriguez, he said, but they won't offer him a new contract should the slugging third baseman opt out of his current deal. "Obviously, we'd love to keep him," said Steinbrenner. "But if he opts out, goodbye."

Apparently the word "tact" is not in the Steinbrenner dictionary.

I am surprised Hank didn't blame Ty Willingham.

Hank looks he'll be good for the headline writers. I wonder whether Hal will chime in as well.

Suppose the "Young Elephants" as Vater Steinbrenner calls Hank and Hal turn out to be just like him in stereo for the next 35 years? "The Post" and the "Daily Trash with Mike Lupica" will have to publish a morning and an evening edition to keep up. Is the youngelephant.com website available to set up a 24/7 video feed to broadcast these guys?

If the Red Sox win tonight, for historically minded Sox fans this week is going to make the top three golden moments, alongside the Yanks' 2004 collapse and Chesbro's 1904 wild pitch.

And to think that the Yankees are just handing them all this on a silver platter---ouch!

Apparently the word "tact" is not in the Steinbrenner dictionary.

I think that all members of the Yankee FO are rattling the same saber at the same time. They really don't want this guy to opt out.

But "we would not enter the bidding" is a lot less likely to antagonize on the emotional level than "goodbye".

Hard to take any grown man seriously after he repeatedly brags about his "dad" to the press.

My take exactly.

In the blurb Repoz used, he says "my dad" in three consecutive sentences.

No one to sympathize with here. The kids run their mouth too much, and Torre should have walked off into the sunset instead of being insulted by the highest salary in the majors for a manager.

George Steinbrenner should have his children taken away.

Rowdy Posted: October 21, 2007 at 10:34 AM (#2586189)

Hard to take any grown man seriously after he repeatedly brags about his "dad" to the press.

- really?
what is your problem with a grown man mentioning his, what you want to call him - his sperm donor?

you think it is more manly or whatever to pretend you got no ancestors of the man persuasion?

supposing his mama ran the team for 30 years. could he mention her or is it you just got a problem with the sperm part of his dna?

something wrong with YOU males. or do you think it is kewl to disrespect you own male ancestors?

I think "father" is more dignified and smacks somewhat less of nepotism than "Dad".

no ancestors of the man persuasion?

Are you hinting that Big Stein is gay ;)

I think it's not so much the male ancestor part that is pissing off the males in this thread; rather it is the ancestor part.

you use the word "father" in a public statement to talk about someone you gave you half your dna who you got zero emotional connection to. it is like saying - the former owner/ceo/whatever

when you say dad (or mah daddy, like we do here) it shows both love and respect.

you don't just say some guy or the former owner or EVEN "my father" let alone be careful not to even mention him and pretend he don't exist. THAT is rude and disrespectful

and it is no wonder that males are so disrespected as parents in this society. look at YOU guys and YOUR attitude

Somewhere James Dolan is running around screaming "I'm off the hook!".

I think "father" is more dignified and smacks somewhat less of nepotism than "Dad".

There is no nepotism here, only inheritance.

Suppose the "Young Elephants" as Vater Steinbrenner calls Hank and Hal turn out to be just like him in stereo for the next 35 years?

I'd like to point out, given all the repeated media references to "Young Elephants" and "kids," that Hank Steinbrenner is FIFTY YEARS OLD. His brother is in his late 30s.

But if you say "fah-thuh" in your best Katherine Hepburn impression, what kind of vibe does that give off?

TVerik Posted: October 21, 2007 at 03:16 PM (#2586392)

But if you say "fah-thuh" in your best Katherine Hepburn impression, what kind of vibe does that give off?

- snooty rich white bytch trying to pretend she really from england and is uppah klass and the rest of us all shtt

"Ingrate" is in quotation marks, so it doesn't have to be in the actual article.

It's been a rough time living in Boston, but if God and Baby Jesus love me the following will be set on course now

Red Sox get bounced tonight; Fenway park is beautifully cold and blessedly silent until April.

Boston College gets blown out by Virginia Tech to spoil their national title hopes, still hangs on to win the ACC BCS bid, then gets pistol-whipped by Rutgers in the Orange Bowl.

Patriots go 16-0, then lose to the Giants in the superbowl after Osi Uminyora breaks both of Tom Brady's ankles.

It was George himself who used the phrase "Young Elephants" in the interview to Ian O'Connor during the ALDS. I wonder if he done this in the 1960s when he was raising money for the Democratic party if he would referred to Hank and Hal as the "Young Jackasses".

when you say dad (or mah daddy, like we do here) it shows both love and respect.

He could've just said "we" and been correct. Love doesn't need to enter into a situation like this.

I suppose being the son of George could well make one insecure.