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This references his actual getting in, rather than whether he deserves it or not, to be clear.
I would definitely think it would get him close.
I also agree with Howard; if he finishes with a line like Dan projects, he'll ensure his HOF candidacy. Though I think he should be in anyway.
I hate to go there because every Chipper thread goes there, but even if he puts that season up, if the Mets turn it around and win the division, David Wright will probably get it based on some amorphus team leadership thing. Or Chase Utley if the Phillies do.
Other candidates: Only guy in the Central would be Pujols, right? The Cubs have too many guys playing well to credit one dude. If the Cardinals won their division and the Braves did not, I could totally feature Pujols winning it.
West: Can't think of anyone now.
Upshot: It's early, but I think it comes down to whichever of the East's star infielders plays for the division winner vs. Pujols if the Cardninals somehow find a way to pull it out.
Edit: Forgot Berkman. I kind of doubt he has a chance though now that he's going to be concentrating on drag bunts.
The Yankees were 12½ games out at this point last season, and finished only 2 games back. THEY had to "turn it around". The Mets just need to play a little better.
Point taken. I guess what I meant -- since we're talking about MVPs, which are an inherently subjective thing -- was that the Mets turn around the perception that they're having a disastrous season. A peception, mind you, fueled by apocolyptic headlines in NY papers for the past couple of weeks.
The Braves are 3.5 games out too. Right or wrong, if they win the division it will not be a story about rebounding from the darkest pits of adversity. In contrast, if the Mets do, the turnaround meme will carry the day, and Wright's MVP chances right along with it.
3Bs (not in HOF) ranked by runs created:
Cnt Player RC
+----+-----------------+----+----+-----+----+----+
1 Chipper Jones 1626
2 Darrell Evans 1499
3 Ron Santo 1379
4 Graig Nettles 1265
5 Buddy Bell 1217
6 Ken Boyer 1185
7 Bob Elliott 1179
8 Robin Ventura 1162
9 Toby Harrah 1151
10 Ron Cey 1148
3Bs not in HOF, ranked by OPS+ (5000 + PAs)
Cnt Player OPS+ PA From To Ages
+----+-----------------+----+-----+----+----+-----+
1 Chipper Jones 144 8380
2 Scott Rolen 126 6527
3 Ron Santo 125 9396
4 Bob Elliott 124 8190
5 Bill Madlock 123 7372
6 Ron Cey 121 8344
7 Heinie Zimmerman 121 5740
8 Troy Glaus 120 5432
9 Darrell Evans 119 10737
10 Richie Hebner 119 7016
11 Sal Bando 119 8288
12 Stan Hack 119 8506
Is Chipper the very best 3B not in the HOF?
I guess if you think Chipper is a terrible defensive 3B and Santo a great one there's still an argument, but if Chipper is still productive with the bat for another year or two that argument will be gone as well.
Not silly. Not questionable. Stupid.
I rarely use such harsh terms when describing alternative suggestions. But the idea that the central figure on one if not THE most successful NL team of the last 15 years is NOT a Hall of Fame player is beyond absurd.
One thing to consider about Wright's candidacy is that Reyes getting hot as the Mets started winning might take away from Wright's thunder a bit.
At some point, the writers will add an addendum of "CBP stats don't count" to the Best RBI Man standard of voting. It's going to be a dumb addition to a stupid rule since they still wouldn't know what park factor is.
We saw this with Coors. A while after it becomes common wisdom that a park is a hitter heaven, the writers will discount ALL batting performance there, with no attempt at neutralizing anything.
After two consecutive Phillies won MVPs, I sense the backlash is comming this year.
Dude was healthy last year and exceeded his career high in BA at age 35, even if it was unlikely. Given that he's hit .405 for now more than a third of the season, I don't think .346 the rest of the season is all that unlikely.
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Maddux would've finished the season with 20 wins if not for that error (well, assuming everything else played out the same).
I've been to the universe where the error didn't happen. Chipper injured Maddux in the postgame celebration and ended his career with under 250 wins.
There were a lot of little things that seemed to cost Maddux 20 win seasons almost every year while with Atlanta. Two shortened seasons due to labor issues for starters, followed by, in no particular order, Brad Clontz, Mark Wholers' yips, Ryan Kelsko's defense, Mike Cather, and last, but certainly not least, Maddux's refusal to pitch to Javy Lopez.
Check this box score out. Yeah, it was against a dominant Curt Schilling, but that's the kind of game that (in my memory at least) seemed to happen to Maddux more than it did to anyone else.
Johnson was 0-4 with 32 innings, 6 runs (5 ER - 1.69 ERA), 19 H, 10 BB and 54K. The D-Backs had 0 runs and (in order) 0 hits, 1 hit, 2 hits and 3 hits.
Edited to add: Doh. Dahlian got there first.
Once by Ron Villone, and twice by Jose Jimenez! That's prison-shower boning!
I went back and checked Gibson's 1968. For the 12 starts he didn't win, his RA+ was a much more modest 107. He did have four games in which he allowed 1 run and didn't win, but he also had games in which he allowed 5, 5, and 6 runs. (Of course, the flip side is that his RA+ was 543 in the 22 games he did win.)
Just to really drive this point home - that's a much better ERA+ than the #2 guy in ERA+ (Mike Sirotka - 132) had in all games.
This is the earth shattering part of that stat.
Edit: duh, totally forget that he was "shouldergate."
That not surprising, unless you're a Garth Brooks fan.
And in the 7 appearances in which he does have a W, he has a 2.22 ERA.
Followed closely by the WHIP of 0.737.
In 2003, he had 11 starts that ended up in a no-decision. In those 11 games, Pedro gave up only 13 earned runs (14 total).
He did this despite playing for a team that scored 961 runs on the season, 67 runs more than the next-highest scoring team in the AL.
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