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Wednesday, May 07, 2008

N.Y. Sun: Marchman: Unlike Most at 28, Wang Is Evolving as a Pitcher

Chill out...Wang’s “nasty sinking fastball” is the pitch to see and be seen!

For most of his time in the majors, Wang’s biggest weakness has been against left-handed hitters. Last year, for instance, he struck out 7.9% of those he faced, as against 17.8% of right-handers. There’s no mystery as to why. His nasty sinking fastball, which he routinely throws at 94 mph and can throw much harder, breaks down but also tilts — out and away from right-handers but right into the sweet spot where most left-handers like the ball. The same is true of his slider, his second-best pitch. Wang has usually tried to neutralize left-handers with a changeup that he rarely throws to right-handers, but it isn’t an especially effective pitch.

This year, he has slightly but noticeably changed his approach, throwing the fastball more often against left-handers and the changeup and slider less often, while mixing in the odd split-finger or cutter. So far, his strikeout rate against them is up to 12.2%, which isn’t fantastic, but represents an improvement of half over what he did last year. If he can keep doing as well while continuing to suppress left-handed power (he’s given up just one home run to left-handers in 82 plate appearances), he’ll have gone a long way toward plugging the biggest hole in his game. Against right-handers, Wang has been throwing a cut fastball a bit more often. It isn’t a great pitch, but it does give hitters something else to look for, and further shows his evolving style.

Tonight’s game, though, will especially bear watching because it will give some insight into how Wang will deal with his second main weakness — his susceptibility to lineups that have his fastball well scouted.

Repoz Posted: May 07, 2008 at 08:00 AM | 15 comment(s)
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   1. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 08:48 AM (#2771916)
For a split second, I thought the headline was referring to Donny Most at age 28.
   2. Dizzypaco Posted: May 07, 2008 at 08:56 AM (#2771920)
I don't think its particularly unusual for pitchers to evolve at 28. Hitters, yes. Pitchers, not so much.
   3. Aspiring One-Armed Economist (6 - 4 - 3) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 09:18 AM (#2771934)
#2: exactly.

In fact, given the physical changes that tend to occur as a pitcher nears 30 (loss of elasticity, loss of velocity, etc.), my guess is that most pitchers "evolve" in their late 20's. Those who do it successfully continue to pitch past 30; those who can't adapt to the natural loss of physical talent find themselves out of the game.
   4. Crashburn Alley Posted: May 07, 2008 at 09:47 AM (#2771957)
Ha ha... Donny Most in Family Guy (at 2:30 in the video)...
   5. John Walsh Posted: May 07, 2008 at 10:07 AM (#2771978)
Last year, for instance, he struck out 7.9% of those he faced, as against 17.8% of right-handers. There's no mystery as to why. His nasty sinking fastball, which he routinely throws at 94 mph and can throw much harder, breaks down but also tilts — out and away from right-handers but right into the sweet spot where most left-handers like the ball.


This is simply wrong -- Marchman needs to bone up on the PITCHf/x literature. Wang's sinker tails in towards a RHB, for that matter like just about any other right-handed fastball, sinking or otherwise. The difference in his K rate for righties and lefties is a bit more of a mystery than Marchman thinks.
   6. plim Posted: May 07, 2008 at 10:08 AM (#2771979)
1. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 08:48 AM (#2771916)

For a split second, I thought the headline was referring to Donny Most at age 28.


"Actually, it's Don Most now."

"Donny Most, Donny Most
Sunday, Monday, Happy Days."
   7. zack Posted: May 07, 2008 at 11:24 AM (#2772085)
I have a tangentially related question:

Do players with large platoon splits show a large split in the minors?
   8. haplo53 Posted: May 07, 2008 at 12:26 PM (#2772158)
lol @ #4 and #6...
   9. Tim Lincecum doesn't Wang Chung tonite (GGC) Posted: May 07, 2008 at 01:04 PM (#2772232)
Speaking of pitch f/x, is there a way to identify a hanging breaking ball as opposed to one that doesn't hang?
   10. Crispix Attacks Posted: May 07, 2008 at 01:15 PM (#2772251)
Yankees' Wang is truly going against the grain. Most wangs have stopped developing well before age 28, and in fact have already peaked.
   11. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: May 07, 2008 at 02:08 PM (#2772323)
Have the Yankees been trying to tie up Wang and buy out his arb years? Granted, I know he's 28 but for all the talk about wanting to hang onto their young pitching, I haven't seen a lot of effort on the Yankees' part to hang onto Wang for the long-term. Seems to be that he'll only get more expensive in arbitration. I'm a little shocked he lost his case this year, considering he was only asking for $4.6 million.
   12. Randy Jones Posted: May 07, 2008 at 02:36 PM (#2772355)
Have the Yankees been trying to tie up Wang and buy out his arb years?

After they signed Cano in the offseason, they told Wang they wanted to wait until after this season and then they would discuss a long term contract.
   13. Cowboy Popup Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#2772400)
I think the Yanks were probably wary of Wang's dependency on one pitch. I think now that's he has displayed that he can pitch effectively if his sinker isn't on, they'll lock him up.
   14. TVerik, the world’s No. 1 hydrogen dirigible Posted: May 07, 2008 at 03:22 PM (#2772435)
After they signed Cano in the offseason, they told Wang they wanted to wait until after this season and then they would discuss a long term contract.

Despite the fact that these two are not similar players at all, and despite my belief that Cano will be just fine, the Robinson struggles just after signing the deal may enter into Yankee thinking at some point.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: May 07, 2008 at 06:35 PM (#2772761)
The big change of course is that his K-rate is up over 6 now -- maybe that's all from the bump in Ks vs LH -- and he's done that while maintaining the low-HR rate (in fact, he's doing even better than usual there which is simply amazing). There's absolutely no doubt that a buy with a 2/1 K/BB (and he's better than that right now) and giving up only 1 HR per 20 IP or so (again, better than that right now) IS one of the best pitchers in the league.

And yes, pitchers evolve at all sorts of ages. I recall MGL saying that pitcher development was related to ML time, not age. (Not sure about pitcher decline) And of course many pitchers have had to change their games pretty radically when they got old.
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