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Cashman compared Gardner to Juan Pierre
please, God, no
By God he better because he sure ain't bringin' the power dimension.
By God he better because he sure ain't bringin' the power dimension.
I find this funny coming from the president of the Jacoby Ellsbury Stalker's Union.
http://sportslocker.blogspot.com/
You mean the Ellsbury who slugged over .500 in both the regular and post-season last year? That Ellsbury?
Well, those were 25 fabulous post season at bats (and 14 at bats against playoff teams in the regular season!), kevin, but I think he means the one that slugged under .400 in 363 AAA at bats.
Edited for more statly goodness.
Where'd that come from?
*edit*
The article says that Melky is about a year younger than Gardner. And Austin Jackson is two years younger than Melky.
How many AA pitchers will he be facing this year?
More seriously, I think it's safe to say that, while he proabably stands to slug better than .380, there isn't much to suggest other than a small sample size that he's a .500 slugger yet either. I have no idea where he's going to end up, but when in doubt, I'm inclinded to go with something closer to that which was demonstrated in a larger sample size.
I read this part of the article too fast - I thought that last word was "father".
Damn, that's competitive.
All 73 of them?
*Sigh*
"Dad, get over here. And bring the Tobasco."
No, but I did think of Mr. Mxyzptlk as part of the so-called "pest dimension"
Bubby Crosby type
Bubba's Jewish Grandmother must have been wicked fast in her youth
I don't know, the Juan Pierre comp seems reasonable and he would have been an excellent 4th OFer during part of his career, which would make him better than Crosby. True, Pierre got to the bigs earlier, but he sucked really hard while he was up. If Gardner can translate most of his on-base percentage to the bigs (becoming say, a .300/.350/.350 hitter or so) and he plays good defense, he's worth a roster spot.
Edit: There's also a Bpro article that suggests Gardner may be excellent at bunting for basehits, but there isn't enough evidence to be certain. If he can do it consistently, it could help inflate his average.
Ellsbury 7
Gardner 3
Comparing the power of these 2 is like arguing that Kevin Youkilis is faster than Jason Giambi. He is, but so what? You don't want either of them running. And neither center fielder here hits for any noticeable power.
Or drugs. Whichever. ;-)
Let's first go back to your childhood...
Okay, I apologize, no more Mr. Mxyzptlk posts.
No, but I had some flashbacks to Webster Hall circa 1993.
...Gardner then punched Cashman in the face.
I'm a Sox fan kevin but this is just crazy. Ellsbury had exactly 10 home runs in 1017 minor league at-bats over 4 seasons. Christ, he had only 44 doubles in that time. His ML slugging was .425. Stop with the SSS arguments. He has very little power to speak of, which is fine because that's not his game anyway.
It does nobody any favors to compare him to Ellsbury. Ellsbury's one of the top 10-20 prospects in baseball, while Gardner's one of the top 10-20 prospects in the Yankee organization. No one who follows prospects considers them to be similar talents.
That's what they said last year about what I said about Pedroia.
At this point, he's projects as a 4th OFer.
Pedroia had a long track record of hitting very well in the minors. Reasonable people knew he's get untracked at some point after his rough start.
Ellsbury's got a long track record of hitting for no power in the minors. Different situation.
What exactly does this mean? We all agree that if Ellsbury could hit 15-20 HRs, he'd be a drastically better player, right?
I'm not asking for an exact number, but what's his over/under?
Juan Pierre + a whole lot of walks = Brett Butler
However, to me, Gardner looks like Jason Tyner... maybe a little better than Jason- in the Minors- but that added value is all walks, which maybe a little hard to come by in the majors with no pwoer.
I'll take the under.
Kevin's, sure...but AROM's?
i'm going to say 9. that'll get him to 12 for his career ... which will match juan pierre's career total.
I'd take that in a jiffy. I think Gardner is a good bit faster than Butler ever was but if he can match Butler's defensive and on-base contributions he'd be a very nice ballplayer to have manning center field.
So would I, but alas I don't think that's Gardner, that the organization's puff piece review of Gardner,
imho Garner = Tyner...
Having said that, I doubt Gardner has much of a future in pinstripes; Austin Jackson is clearly the team's blue-chip hopeful to man center field starting around 2010 or so. Gardner does make an ideal 4th outfielder though, and I think he will be good enough to start for many teams if Jackson's progress makes him expendable.
All Gardner's speed on the bases isn't going to do him much good if he doesn't get on base enough to put that speed to good use.
He hit .281/.369/.378 between AA and AAA last year- just off hand that projects to what, .260/.330/.325 in the majors? If he's a great defensive OF then maybe he's an adequate 4th/5th OF
that's what I meant by the Tyner comparison.
guys who can hit 281/.369/.378 in the MLB are quite a bit harder to come by (Butler was at .290/ .377/.376 BTW)
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