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Friday, August 10, 2007

N.Y. Times: On Ceremony for Pitcher, Caller Tosses Bloomberg a Bit of a Curve (RR)

Dont want to go down in a tube station...no other rider is going to do that again

On Wednesday, after a thunderstorm shut down the subways and a rare tornado wreaked havoc in Brooklyn, Mayor Bloomberg paused to present pitcher Tom Glavine of the Mets the key to the city in honor of his 300th career victory, which he collected on Sunday night in Chicago. That did not sit well with a woman, identifying herself as Lynn, who called in to the mayor’s weekly radio program on WABC this morning.

“Mr. Mayor, with all due respect, on Wednesday, was it that necessary to have to give the key to the Mets player when people are sweltering out on the streets waiting for buses for three or four hours and you’re not even out in those boroughs?” the caller asked.

The mayor skirted the question, treating it as if it were about whether he favored the Mets over the Yankees:

“Well, Lynn, maybe you’re a Yankee fan and if you are, we’re going to give a key to Alex Rodriguez for his 500th home run. I’m not quite sure what to say, Lynn. A lot of things go in the city simultaneously, and I know the service, the mass transit, wasn’t great on that day, but we were honored to have Tom Glavine and his wife and his three kids in. Three hundred career victories is an accomplishment. Maybe no other pitcher is going to do that again.”

Repoz Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:15 PM | 29 comment(s)
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   1. scareduck  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 03:29 PM (#2480196)
This is what mayors do. Would it have been better if he had been making a nuisance of himself at the transit facilities with a public photo op?
   2. twentyseven  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 03:30 PM (#2480197)
He could have a career as the #1 baseball analyst in the country with the way he answered that question!
   3. Dan Szymborski  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:17 PM (#2480231)
This is what mayors do. Would it have been better if he had been making a nuisance of himself at the transit facilities with a public photo op?

I think now we're so used to politicians doing photo ops that a large percentage of people now think that simply making a random, pointless appearance in trouble zones is part of the politician's job. So people expect Bloomberg to go to the transit system to showcase his expert skills at pumping water out of subway tracks and Dubya to go to Minneapolis to help the teams out there with his impressive knowledge of mechanical engineering.
   4. Dewey, Local Boy and Soupuss  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:18 PM (#2480232)
So people expect Bloomberg to go to the transit system to showcase his expert skills at pumping water out of subway tracks and Dubya to go to Minneapolis to help the teams out there with his impressive knowledge of mechanical engineering.

Politicians are known to solve disasters by furrowing their brows at them. That's why we elect them.
   5. aleskel  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:22 PM (#2480235)
all this begs the question ... why the hell does Glavine get a key to the city for winning 300? Its not he was a longtime Met and city icon. God, the guy's only been pitching here for 4 years, he's not Tom Seaver.
   6. Confined to the Halls of Congers (formerly Y...)  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:28 PM (#2480237)
Dubya to go to Minneapolis to help the teams out there with his impressive knowledge of mechanical engineering.

As the absolute king of the meaningless photo ops, Dubya can hardly complain if people now have those expectations.
   7. Cabbage  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:32 PM (#2480239)
So people expect Bloomberg to go to the transit system to showcase his expert skills at pumping water out of subway tracks and Dubya to go to Minneapolis to help the teams out there with his impressive knowledge of mechanical engineering.

In all seriousness, Herbert Hoover would have probably done just that. He would have done a good job of it too.
   8. Dewey, Local Boy and Soupuss  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:34 PM (#2480240)
all this begs the question ... why the hell does Glavine get a key to the city for winning 300?

Must... not... make... pedantic... grammar... point...
   9. Walt Davis  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:34 PM (#2480241)
Maybe no other pitcher is going to do that again.

"But rest assured,I will have plenty more opportunities to ignore mass transit snafus," Bloomberg continued.
   10. Loren F.'s well-anchored glenoid  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:36 PM (#2480244)
all this begs the question ... why the hell does Glavine get a key to the city for winning 300? Its not he was a longtime Met and city icon. God, the guy's only been pitching here for 4 years, he's not Tom Seaver.

Mariano Rivera was going to get a key to the city for his 400th Save, until Bloomberg explained to his aides that Saves are one of the most poorly used statistics in trying to determine the value of a player, lead to managers using their best relievers in sub-optimal situations, and recommended that they all read Tangotiger's research on Leverage Index.
   11. Shredder  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:38 PM (#2480247)

Politicians are known to solve disasters by furrowing their brows at them. That's why we elect them.
That's what Rudy's hoping for.
   12. Srul Itza  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:42 PM (#2480252)
And in Rudy's case, there are very few politicians with quite as much brow to furrow at the problem.
   13. Dewey, Local Boy and Soupuss  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:46 PM (#2480257)
And in Rudy's case, there are very few politicians with quite as much brow to furrow at the problem.

His frowning and looking at the problem was truly inspiring.
   14. Confined to the Halls of Congers (formerly Y...)  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:56 PM (#2480264)
It's not just how much brow he's furrowed, it's where he's furrowed it:

"I was at ground zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers. I was there working with them. I was there guiding things. I was there bringing people there. But I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I'm one of them."
   15. Rich Rifkin I  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 04:58 PM (#2480268)
all this begs the question ...
I assume Jerry (#8) knows this, but perhaps others don't: To beg the question rhetorically means 'to assume the truth of the very point raised in a question.' In post #5 aleskel likely meant, 'all this raises the question.' It does not beg the question, 'why the hell does Glavine get a key to the city for winning 300?'
   16. Banta  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 05:15 PM (#2480277)
I assume Jerry (#8) knows this, but perhaps others don't

Don't we have this conversation every three months?
   17. Rich Rifkin I  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 05:31 PM (#2480285)
I hope so.
   18. You Forgot Walewander  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 05:38 PM (#2480288)
14 - is that a real quote? Can you provide a link?
   19. Shredder  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 05:59 PM (#2480301)
14 - is that a real quote? Can you provide a link?
I can do better than that.
   20. Los Angeles Softballer of Anaheim  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 06:08 PM (#2480310)
I was at ground zero as often, if not more, than most of the workers. I was there working with them. I was there guiding things. I was there bringing people there. But I was exposed to exactly the same things they were exposed to. So in that sense, I'm one of them.
This, by the way, is also how he got his foreign policy expertise.
   21. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 06:30 PM (#2480362)
- all this begs the question ... why the hell does Glavine get a key to the city for winning 300?

Must... not... make... pedantic... grammar... point...


Fine, I'll make it.

Sir, your sentence should read: "why the city does Glavine get a key to the hell for winning 300?"
   22. CFiJ  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 10:00 PM (#2480854)
Must... not... make... pedantic... grammar... point...

Actually, that'd be a usage point, not a grammar point. "This begs the question" may be used wrong, but it is perfect grammar.
   23. Justin T  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 10:36 PM (#2480871)
Pwn3d.
   24. Rich  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 11:12 PM (#2480886)
This, by the way, is also how he got his foreign policy expertise.


Quoted for emphasis.
   25. villainx  Posted: August 10, 2007 at 11:15 PM (#2480888)
Can a correct usage example be given?
   26. Rich Rifkin I  Posted: August 11, 2007 at 12:02 AM (#2480895)
Villian, any example of circular reasoning would be an example of begging the question:
If Barry Bonds is guilty of taking steroids and everyone knows that he has used them, this can only mean that Bonds is a liar and a cheat and this strengthens my conviction that he used performance enhancing drugs."
That sentence begs the question. It assumes something unproven and then bases its conclusion upon that assumption.
   27. Gambling Rent Czar  Posted: August 11, 2007 at 01:07 AM (#2480915)
Hmm..

Could be the first and last Atlanta Brave, to get a key to New York City?
   28. Jeff K.  Posted: August 11, 2007 at 01:17 AM (#2480916)
I'm only impressed if the key unlocks doors into actual places, like bars and strip clubs after hours.
   29. Monty  Posted: August 11, 2007 at 01:43 AM (#2480920)
No, no, it's the key to the city. When they get around to walling the whole place in like in Escape from New York, Glavine will be able to get out.
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