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Tuesday, February 09, 2010

P A A P F L Y: Dear Mr. Neukom, SOS.

“We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
Let’s drop the big one and see what happens”

What we can clearly see from this is that the Giants still appear to lack the ability to get on base at a league average rate and are by far the worst in the division. Exasperating that problem is the fact that when they do manage to sneak their way on base, they are going to have to go station to station to score runs.  While my method for examining their relative speed and OBP for 2010 isn’t exactly bullet proof, it does provide some pretty significant evidence that the Giants won’t be terribly swift.  After all, Bill James’ ( a pretty smart guy) projections are based on past performance. The Dodgers have the second worst average speed factor in the division and still have greater than a 20% advantage in that category. The back breaker of course is the fact that the Giants also have a serious power outage since the departure of Barry Bonds. A team that can’t get on base, runs like a team full of catchers and can’t play for the three run dinger probably isn’t going to score many runs. So if the Giants pitching staff felt they were carrying the load last year, they will probably feel more of the same this year and the defense behind them projects to do them a lot less good, too.

Sabean is out of money for the upcoming season and he’s running out of time. He may have fooled the business man Neukom thus far, but it appears his days are numbered. Frankly, he was very lucky with the timing of Peter McGowan’s departure. Neukom probably didn’t want to make such a big splash, especially coming off of a very successful season with the huge turnaround from ’08 to ’09, but if Sabean’s rosters continue to be less than impressive despite the young infusion of talent provided to him by John Barr and Dick Tidrow, Neukom will show him the door and find a new CEO. If a man who once ran the very successful Microsoft can’t understand the benefit that is the wealth of statistical information currently available to evaluate players and which Sabean ignores, who can?

Repoz Posted: February 09, 2010 at 11:05 AM | 9 comment(s)
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   1. Petooter: 11'6" 355 lbs of scrap and grit  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 01:04 PM (#3456857)
Exasperating that problem

Though this is the first time I've seen it, I hope that becomes the new "dominate". Definitely got a good laugh out of this one.
   2. jingoist  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 01:54 PM (#3456927)
Yes it is exasperating that someone with a high school education would use exasperating when he/she meant exacerbating.
   3. 3Com Park  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 03:19 PM (#3457030)
The author's usage errors aside, Sabean has done a terrible job of putting this team together. He spent $23 million on Sanchez, DeRosa, Huff, Molina and Uribe, not to mention the $21 million he's spending on Rowand and Renteria. I remember when $44 million used to buy more than a steaming pile of ####.
   4. jingoist  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 05:25 PM (#3457222)
The Giants must keep up appearances as a quality underachiever that they have become.
I was not aware of the litany of poor management decisions over the years that have led the Giants to NEVER win a WS since their move west in 1958.
Steve Treader's comments in a post from about a year or so ago woke me up to the incompetence that has surrounded the ownership and management of the team the past 50 years.

I bemoan the current and recent past fate of my beloved Pirates; I doubt if I'll see another WS winner in my lifetime.
But that reality pales when compared to the suffering of Giants fans.

And it's not like you didn't have some real talent over the years.
I never understood why teams from the 60's with Perry, Marichal, McCovey, Mays, Cepeda, and the Alou boys never won a WS.
That is much more talent than we ever had in Pittsburgh and we won in 60 and 71.
Go figure....
   5. Ron Johnson  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 05:55 PM (#3457261)
I never understood why teams from the 60's with Perry, Marichal, McCovey, Mays, Cepeda, and the Alou boys never won a WS.


I think you have to give a lot of the blame to Hal Lanier. He personally negated the value of at least one superstar every year. Their SS were frequently worse, but it was a cast of characters.

1963 2B .236 .273 .310 SS .230 .266 .291
1964 2B .240 .266 .309 SS .218 .287 .268
1965 2B .216 .248 .282 SS .227 .293 .288
1966 2B .246 .272 .309 SS .257 .285 .372 (but .256/.290/.340 with 5 SB from LF to make up for the offensive explosion at short)
1967 2B .215 .271 .276 SS .212 .254 .271
1968 2B .245 .357 .295 SS .193 .215 .222 (and .227/.290/.310 from third)

Yeah, the 60s. Still, that's bad.

In 1969 Hunt had solved the second base issue but Lanier was at short and third and left were open wounds.

Basically they were punting at minimum two and frequently three positions. Core talent was good enough to almost carry the passengers.

As a side bonus they basically gave away a huge amount of talent while never managing to address some obvious problems. Jim Ray Hart's problems and the duplication of talent at first didn't help matters.
   6. paapfly.com  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 10:47 PM (#3457475)
Any publicity is good publicity. My inadvertent misuse of exasperating within my blog, when exacerbating clearly should have stood, will at least increase my readership. Thanks for the pro bono (publico) editing. If you continue reading you may well catch me stating something as deplorable as how “dominate a closer Mariano Rivera is.” I can’t say if it was my high school or college education that failed me in this particular blunder. Perhaps I’m just too dense? Moving on, you think that the agony Pirates fans have endured “pales when compared to the suffering of Giants fans.” That seems a bit silly to me. While I understand the Pirates have won 2 WS’ during the late great days of Maz and Clemente, both after the ’54 title the Giants took home in NY, it would be prudent to apply greater weight to recent history. 17 straight (an American professional sports record) losing seasons in a row would lead me to believe that not only has it been more torturous for Pittsburg baseball fans, but also that they’re much further away from a parade than San Francisco.

At least we can both look on the bright side. Both cities have rich baseball histories, fantastic legends and sweet yards. The Maz statue will be a nice (and I’m sure very welcome) addition to yours. At the very least much more so than the statue of Selig coming to Milwaukee…
   7. Lassus  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 11:04 PM (#3457486)
Yeah, mis-usage of words gets short shift here, paapfly. Try not to let it bug you too much.
   8. Petooter: 11'6" 355 lbs of scrap and grit  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 11:18 PM (#3457492)
Yeah, look at it like my pedantry rescued this thread for at least an outside chance at double-digit comments and/or clickthrus.

The article was actually a good read and I like the "Sabean fooled Neukom for a while" perspective. The Sanchez re-up looks particularly bad in light of the DeRosa acquisition, because as you point out all the guys the Giants should be throwing against the wall are outfielders, but 'DeRosa the starting LF' basically moots the question, and cuts Fred Lewis' last chance to play for this team, because Schierholtz appears to have been handed the RF job without a competition.

When a fan's best hope is that their starting second baseman stays out longer than expected rehabbing from surgery so another guy can get a chance elsewhere on the diamond, your roster construction philosophy has a huge problem.

You can make a similar case at SS. Renteria's contract hamstrings the Giants in a sense because they're locked in to a very mediocre player. Lots of guys signed this offseason to play SS for other teams that could have been worth a flyer for the Giants, especially if Uribe can still play any short - but as a utility guy he's overpaid. Although he'll probably start at second every day til Sanchez is back.

And as far as Molina and Huff, it's been said. It's basically money down the toilet. It's looking more and more like this administration is going to completely waste having backed into the Golden Age of Cain/Lincecum, and that's a damn shame.
   9. rlc  Posted: February 09, 2010 at 11:26 PM (#3457498)
While I understand the Pirates have won 2 WS’ during the late great days of Maz and Clemente, both after the ’54 title the Giants took home in NY

Actually, since '54 the Buccos have won 3 titles; I thought only Oriole fans believed that '79 was some sort of acid refluxflashback of '71.
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