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Yeah, you'd think there'd be an example. If Mrs. P felt threatened, I have zero problem believing it was for a valid reason, but I'm curious what went on that would be markedly worse than a regular season Yankee game.
From the fan base who brought you "Who's your Daddy?" and "1918". With all the writers and create types living in NYC I'm surprised they can't come up with anything a bit more clever.
Jesus, Papelbon is being such a little #####. Oh noes, they booed me at the parade. Oh noes! Halp!
The whole thing was funny, not scary.
anyway, "Nomar's beter! Clap clap, clapclapclap"
Anyway, this reminded me of that......
You posted twice in as many minutes, once with little evidence to support what you say, and immediately after to demand evidence of what Papelbon says. I think you care a lot.
Since you're so objective, I'll ask you: When it was reported that Papelbon "thinks he, not Rivera, should close," was that a fair and accurate assessment of Papelbon's comments?
I have no problem believing that a man thinks his wife shouldn't be subjected to the same stuff he is, but if you're Reardon, you've got to expect this. And I'd wager that a good percentage of the people doing it were doing it in a funny way. Again, not to say that a man being protective of his wife is a bad thing, but it's going to be part of the deal if you (as the husband) are getting booed yourself.
I would defer to Jonah, if he was old enough at the time to remember, but I don't think it was perceived as being funny or done in jest.
As for kev's contention about class, I refer you to this post by Pete Abraham:
Perhaps Yankee fans were just sinking to the level?
Here's where I saw it first: http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/07/14/papelbon-i-want-to-close-tomorrow-night/ - posted about 5pm Monday.
If only they were as classy as those "Jeter Sucks, Arod Swallows" T shirts.
Listen, the people in the stands didn't hear the 45 minute press conference, they read one snippet of it, where he said he should be closing. That isn't going to fly in the Bronx when Mo is on the team.
That would be the one showing Jaime Nararro's grip for a fastball, right?
Classless.
Right, 'cause we all remember how the Fenway crowd embraced Jeter in 1999. And they didn't even have the lame excuse of Jeter running his mouth and getting quoted out of context in a way that made it sound like he was dissing their favorites.
Yeah, then those people are classless boobs. It doesn't take a third grader to know that there's no reason to boo Mrs. Reardon, unless you're jokingly booing her for being married to Jeff.
Or they shouldn't ##### that when they have waht sounds like an all-time ASG, most folks don't watch it and a lot of the crowd leaves.
EDIT Wrong thread.
*blink*
This is news?
It would be lousy that some bad apples ruined her chance to be in the parade, but if he's legitimately concerned about her safety in a Monica Seles-style incident, then it's a no-brainer to tell her, "Hey honey, why don't you sit this one out?"
I really don't see why this was a big deal. He's a confident guy. He said nothing bad about Rivera-- in fact, he said they "both earned" the right to close. He puts himself on Rivera's footing-- inaccurate, from the standpoint of baseball history, but probably the right mentality to have if you're a closer.
No, it's not the humble, aw-shucks routine that reporters love, but there's nothing really wrong with it.
Yankee fans are the lowest life form.
Let's see, the classy Red Sox fan makes a cavalier comment about his team's closer's wife having a miscarriage and the Yankees fans are the lowest life form? Only in kevin's universe.
see how you did this, your team dislikes our team. so what we do is classless, what you do is harmless fun.
Phil Rizzuto once had to wear a different number because he recieved death threats in Boston. Some people are jerks. People are everywhere. Thus, there are some jerks everywhere.
I ask, because it's absolutely unforgiveable to insult a 7-month pregnant woman (OTOH, if she's 2 or 3 months pregnant, it's perfectly feasible that nobody knew and/or could tell she was pregnant).
Other than that (1) Papelbon brought this on himself by saying what he said (plus previous dic-kish actions on the mound and comments about the Yanks and such);
(2) He should know by now that he is not well liked in NYC, so there's no sensible reason to be bringing his pregnant wife along to an event where he could be jeered.
You're a psychopath, Kevin. A psychopath.
But this was a special situation: ASG, end of Yankee Stadium. The smart answer was, "It is the All-Star Game and they are tearing down Yankee Stadium. Mariano Rivera is the closer, and he should be." Papelbon, being kind of a knucklehead, didn't think of that. No big deal, really, but he had to expect some blowback.
And of course fans should not boo his wife, but all fan bases have clowns, thugs, geeks, fanboys, class acts, and everything in between. We all know that, kevin included. He is just trying to get the Yankee fans riled up.
That sounds about right relative to my hazy (and weary) memory.
Thanks.
D*mn am I tired. Why I still got up at 5:15 this morning I have no clue. Conditioning I guess.
This whole farmer thing can be a real pain in the keester sometimes......
I imagine it went something like this...
crowd: booooo! you suck!
Papelbon: How dare they boo my wife!
He should insult Mo. Works everytime.
They did it for Arod and Jeter, then chanted box seats suck.
I honestly thought they would have done something for Hamilton.
Part of the reason may have been that many of the usual Bleacher Creatures couldn't afford the ticket prices.
If you think Papelbon was pissed, how do you think Rivera felt? That's the mother of his child that they are booing...
It's a little tiresome, having him show up in every frickin Yankee thread and running the discourse into the ground because he's just trying to get us riled up.
Is that an allegation or established fact? And even if it's true, how do we know that the person was a Yankee fan and not some random lunatic?
They did it for A-Rod and Jeter then chanted "box seats suck" followed by "boston sucks"
Did they catch Manny standing in the wrong spot during the tv introductions?
perhaps you missed the part where Yankee fans were hurling "choice words" at not only Papelbon, but his pregnant wife and his 6 and 8 year old kids.
new york is supposed to be all about class. i guess the class act is only around when the championship banners get raised.
Papelbon has an 8 year old kid?!?!?!?
I will regret offering a view on this given who is involved but WHAT?
First, coines are a regular flying object of choice. How does one make the connection to pregnancy?
Second, I am astounded that any one has sufficient "aim" to make that happen from more than 20', if the onlookers were even that close
Third, security falls on folks pretty hard when they realize what is happening.
Fourth, this is stuff associated with college students versus grown-ups celebrating. "Some" Yankee fans have issues but I struggle to believe that there were sufficient scumbags roaming around to make this happen to a degree that someone could connect "coins+wife+pregnant+at abdomen"
But that is just me.....
I actually used to think so, but then came Rob Base, now a certain Redsox Fan whose name starts with a K has not only descended lower than Yankee Fans but is sinking to Rob Base levels as well...
The article said that Pap's wife felt like her life was threatened.
say what you want about sensitivity, hormones, or even just everyone reacts differently. she said she felt threatened. 'nuff said. stop trying to snuff the story like the ny tabloids. i used to think the post and daily news were actually shedding their tabloid nature by actually trying to practice responsible journalism. if they can't even get a simple thing like "get the entire quote in context," i have no reason to believe anything they print (whether it's about the yankees or anyone else).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Papelbon
Mrs. Papelbon is due on December 31st, 2008. AFAIK, that means she can't be farther along than her 4th month of labor (in fact, I think she'd be in her 3rd, but Gyno math always confuses me).
Mrs. Papelbon may have balooned up by now, but it's also possible that you can't really tell she's pregnant.
No mention of a 6 and an 8 year old kid.
(I'm aware, of course, that fans of every team have at some point or another thrown crap on the field, from Boston to NY to Philly to LA. It's unfortunate, but there it is.)
A JC sighting.
That's about 2 weeks earlier than my wife is due and I can guarantee you you'd not know she (or Mrs. P) is pregnant.
#6?
Congrats
Agreed. Plus a fair number of women dress to not show since they don't want to "look fat".
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280715131
"I had my kids with me, so there was probably a few choice words that we wouldn't like a 6- and an 8-year-old to hear for an hour," Papelbon said. "But it's part of what goes on in the rivalry between the Yankees and Red Sox."
I was at the parade. I saw 2 little kids in the truck with him. agreed, i did not know the wife was pregnant.
i'll admit, i didn't hear that much booing or profanity. but i was also with some red sox fans. and we were in the middle of the parade where it was pretty sparse. clearly, not at the beginning or the end, where most everyone was.
and jc...congrats!
This can't pass without a cite. That would be in the freaking article. And it would be a whole different ballgame, no justification whatsoever, jail terms warranted. Please link to the story about this.
????????????????
I've lived here or near here all my life, wtf did you get such a strange idea?
Compared to Philly, yes NY has class, compared to any sort of ideal of a decent society? NFW
Since he didn't think of it, how could have expected any blowback?
Is that an allegation or established fact?
It's based on a long history of typical Yankee fan behavior.
Translation: he made it up.
she can't be farther along than her 4th month of labor
Four months of labor? No wonder she feels like her life is threatened.
she said she felt threatened. 'nuff said. stop trying to snuff the story like the ny tabloids.
In all seriousness, I'm sure she did find the situation threatening, and I'm sorry that she was put in that position. But it's possible to recognize the validity of her feelings without taking them as proof that anyone specifically threatened her life. Noting that distinction is not snuffing the story.
his "cite" is:
IOW he's projecting his own fantasy beliefs about other team's fans.
The ignore feature is a beautiful thing.
let me repeat what i said: the article simply said she felt threatened. she (nor papelbon) did not say that anyone actually threatened their life, nor did they (or I) make any allegations of such. but they said simply that they felt like they were in an unsafe environment, despite the red carpet treatment. if we have to validate her feelings based on a physical threat, you've crossed into some dangerous territory. she's not allowed to feel threatened until someone dons her with an actual threat?
it's ok to make people feel threatened, so long as you haven't actually threatened. that's the distinction you're trying to make.
Really?
Really?
Its neither... I believe its called a joke.
No they (and you) did not. Others, however, did. Sorry for my ambiguity there.
if we have to validate her feelings based on a physical threat, you've crossed into some dangerous territory
This is pretty much the exact opposite of what I said. I specifically said that I did not doubt the validity of her feelings. I simply noted that those feelings do not require, or even imply, that a physical threat existed. You do see the distinction there, don't you? And you may have noticed that there are some people jumping from "she felt threatened" to "those jerks threatened a pregnant woman."
she's not allowed to feel threatened until someone dons her with an actual threat?
Again, of course she is, as I said. But we're not allowed to assume that batteries were thrown just because we take her at her word that she felt threatened.
EDIT:
it's ok to make people feel threatened, so long as you haven't actually threatened. that's the distinction you're trying to make.
That is not at all the distinction I'm trying to make. Where did I say that anything was OK? The distinction I'm making is between taunting someone and throwing batteries. Drawing that distinction is not the same thing as defending the taunts.
ok, i thought you were talking about the story and not the batteries comment.
i was at the parade and saw a lot of nypd (along with mlb event management staff). they were even stopping some people from throwing balls to the players/hofers to get them signed (although some did get through - depending on the mood of the cop, and the age/gender/hotness of the person throwing the ball =)
i think i can safely say that there's no way batteries or quarters were thrown at people. i'm pretty sure kevin said that in jest.
Or a basketball team who misses their 6th or 7th free throw in a row while trying to close out the game.
This is true?
Thanks, guy. Thanks a lot. I mean it.
Somebody's gotta pay for my Social Security.
Maybe they were blowing smoke at her. Yankee fans do that...am I right? AM I RIGHT?
This is true?
Thanks, guy. Thanks a lot. I mean it.
Somebody's gotta pay for my Social Security.
It's the only way he's found to get people who actually listen to what he has to say.
Also, I read that quarters and batteries thing as satire. If you believe it or start looking for a source, I think you need to step back from the rivalry and take a breath.
Good luck. I heard he teaches them to throw batteries at Red Sox fans.
It's based on a long history of typical Yankee fan behavior.
So based on previous battery-throwing incidents at Yankee Stadium, you deduce that Yankee fans threw batteries at Papelbon's wife in this instance? Come on.
If they actually did that, it's of course deplorable.
Nah, they only throw batteries at the Dalai Lama.
1a) If the tables were turned, Red Sox fans would have booed the crap out of whatever Yankee said something along those lines. It would have been silly - the proper thing to do as a home town fan at the All-Star game is to root for your league - but it would have happened.
2) I don't understand why people are skeptical that Mrs. Papelbon felt threatened, or think she was wrong to feel threatened. I'm sure there were people yelling at her - every fanbase is full of obscene jerks, and New York and Boston are among the worst for a variety of reasons. The people who threatened Mrs. Papelbon are terrible, terrible people.
2a) If the tables were turned, most likely something similar would have happened to the partner of whatever Yankee said something along those lines. It would have been morally reprehensible, but it would have happened.
See posts 76 and 85. He really wasn't claiming Yankee fans threw batteries at Mrs. Papelbon.
If it was intended as a joke, his delivery needs work. He didn't say, for instance, "Yeah, they probably threw batteries and quarters at her abdomen," which I could see as a satirical dig at Yankee fans generally based on earlier incidents, not to be taken literally as to this incident. That's not what he said, of course.
Wait, no Red Sox player ever gets a warm reception from Yankee fans, and vice versa? I'm not going to equate it to my MLB team, as they don't have blood feuds, but UT sure does, and we give warm receptions all the time to graduating seniors and others on OU, A&M;, etc. That's kind of messed up, if the feud doesn't even allow for some acknowledgment of the other team.
Well, on the list of things about his posting that kevin needs to work on, his comedic timing is pretty far down the list.
I'm sure he's working on it during his time off from doing cover art for the New Yorker.
kevin, I didn't know you were a Yankee fan?
I'm just kiiiding!
It's not more annoying than Base/Dial. Or Base/Levski.
how about that time some Fenway knucklehead said some unkind words to Jorge Posada about his son, who suffers from a life-threatening genetic condition, and almost prompted Posada to charge into the stands after him?
as someone already said, there are jerks everywhere.
Yeah, but reg also killed off Admiral Ackbar and Randall. Was it really worth it?
To say nothing of the alarming decline in Mike Piazza's BBTF activity.
Can't say I much miss the Bearded Wizard though.
I agree. Mrs. Papelbon screaming obscenities at Yankee fans on the parade route would have been completely out of line.
as for Paps being a dim bulb, i know he and his wife regularly play scrabble. so how bad could he really be? unless he's like one of those Word Freaks guys.
and i'm looking forward to kevin getting Base'd one of these days.
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