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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Wednesday, October 31, 2007Pete Rose No Longer Dreams of Being in Baseball’s Hall of FamePete Rose has now become that old rumpled guy at the two-dollar window...that smells like an earthy mixture of Eau de Hamper and a full-thickness mucosal prolapse air-freshener.
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Posted: October 31, 2007 at 03:44 PM | 41 comment(s)
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In fact, even his take on the HOF stuff seems sane, except this:
All those years later, it FINALLY occurred to him the commissioner would be the guy to tell?
Keep in mind that a larger chunk of players weren't coming out of college in those days.
Yes, but does he dream of electric sheep?
That doesn't seem like much, if any, more minor-league experience than what most players experience today.
That doesn't seem like much, if any, more minor-league experience than what most players experience today.
It was better back then okay? Bob Costas and Bob Feller told me so.
No, it doesn't but I did find his comment about the roving instructors interesting, if they are not doing that today then what are they doing instead?
I'm almost positive they still have minor league roving instructors.
the cube knows all...
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/R/Pete-Rose-1.shtml
he spent 3 "years" in the minors, but he did play 2 full years: 130g/484ab (fsl) and 139g/540ab (sally) after a cup of tea in the nypl (85g/321ab)
EDIT: bah...forgot to hit submit...got beaten out by AG#1Fan
I know they do. I don't know if every team has them, but many organizations do.
Am I the only person whose first thought on reading this was, "I wonder how much money he lost on the Indians?"
Clearly you have not been following the Cardinals' farm system in recent years.
There are still lots of guys like that. Now, they're clustered at AAA, so I don't know if they used to scatter minor-league vets in the lower levels, but just looking at the IL and PCL leaderboards for 2007, I see guys like Val Pascucci, Scott Seabol, Pete LaForest, Fernando Tatis, Abraham Nunez, and Ernie Young, and that's just at first glance.
“Back when I was in the minor leagues, we had minor league roving instructors who worked on every phase of the game. In other words, what I’m saying is you can’t have on-the-job training in the big leagues. People wont tolerate it because they’re paying too much money for tickets to watch you play.”
Classic "Old Ballplayers Never Die" stuff. You can read quotations like this from players dating back to 1920. Seriously.
Rose was in the minors because he wasn't considered "star" material. He battled while at the plate, he battled on the bases and he battled defense at second base. He fought and fought and fought until he won. Pete Rose is testimony to an adamant refusal to surrender. As a ballplayer he was the baseball version of the Siege of Leningrad. Rose would eat rats before failing on the field.
There have been a 1000, no probably several thousand, ballplayers with more baseball "talent" than Pete Rose.
Yeah, but you have to remember, he's an exception. He was a Hall of Fame player. Oh, wait . . . .
No, you aren't.
"I see guys like Val Pascucci..."
Pascucci really belongs on somebody's 25-man roster.
The reason that I ask is that it seems like Rose is only a story right now because he isn't in the hall, due to his gambling ban. If, for some reason, baseball voids the ban - either with respect to all baseball or just the hall - doesn't the entire basis of his self-marketing disappear? After all, then he becomes just another hall of famer, rather than "Pete Rose - should be in the Hall of Fame but banned from Baseball".
I'm honestly curious about this.
Also, more minor league players are coming from college programs, so they already have a few years of experience above high school as well as having made the adjustment to living somewhat on their own.
Some mention also has to be made of the baseball programs in the Dominican Republic and Venezuela, where kids are signed at age 16 and live, breathe, sleep, and play baseball for years before showing up in the organized minor leagues. The top prospects play in the winter leagues with and against MLB regulars while still of high school age.
Yeah...But they're not playing the game the right way!
That's especially impressive given that for Rose eating rats would be cannibalism. <rimshot>
Excellent. Now I can dream of never having to hear about it ever again.
He didn't say that he was going to stop ######## about it for the other 16 hours a day. . .
I could have sworn these quotes started even before then. But after pulling out my copies of both the BJHBA and the NBJHBA the earliest one I could find was Iron Joe McGinnity in the 1924 Spalding Guide:
"Base ball today is not what it should be. The players do not try to learn all the fine points of the game as in the days of old, but simply try to get by...
...The boys go out to the plate, take a slam at the ball, pray that they'll get a hit, and let it go at that. They are not fighting as in the days of old...
...In my days, the man who was responsible for having lost a game was told in a man's way by a lot of men what a rotten ball player he really was. It makes me weep to think of the men of the old days who played the game and the boys of today. It's positively a shame, and they are getting big money for it, too."
The question is which team did Pete Rose take in the A-rod betting sweepstakes...
In retrospect, their treaty with Branch Rickey was the crucial mistake.
The whole tone is a lot more positive than you get these days:
I love that guy.
Trenidad Hubbard still around?
He's right. The Yankees tried this with Arod and it failed miserably.
Sorry, Walt. It looks like the end of the trail for him was in Durham in 2005.
It looks like Curtis Pride is about done, too. One of my sisters was deaf, so I've always been rooting for him.
Did you hear the story about Hubbard's mother and one of the B-Pro guys? The guy was hurt pretty badly in a car accident and Hubbard's mother was one of his his nurses while he was convalescing. She saw the big stack of baseball books he had and asked if he had heard of his son and what he thought of his prospects. I think he said something on the order of, "He's not going to be a star but he should make good money for quite a few years." He also said she was a very good nurse. I think it was in a player comment from about five years ago. So not all snark all the time over there.
That, and 'roids.
...and expressed his disgust with a wave of his newly-cast broken arm.
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