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Pettitte told Congress Clemens admitted to using human growth hormone

Roger Clemens told Yankees teammate Andy Pettitte nearly 10 years ago that he used human growth hormone, Pettitte said in a sworn affidavit to Congress, the Associated Press learned Tuesday.

Pettitte disclosed the conversation to the congressional committee holding Wednesday’s hearings on drug use in baseball, a person familiar with the affidavit said. The person spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the document had not been made public.

According to the person familiar with the affidavit, who said it was signed Friday night, Pettitte also said Clemens backtracked when the subject of HGH came up again in conversation in 2005, before the same House committee held the first hearing on steroids in baseball.

Pettitte said in the affidavit that he asked Clemens in 2005 what he would do if asked by the media about HGH, given his admission years earlier. According to the account told to the AP, the affidavit said Clemens responded by saying Pettitte misunderstood the previous exchange in 1999 or 2000 and that, in fact, Clemens had been talking about HGH use by his wife in the original conversation.

Thanks to Howie Menckel for pointing this out…

Repoz Posted: February 13, 2008 at 09:09 AM | 983 comment(s)
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1. Exploring Leftist Conservatism since 2008 (ark..) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:14 AM (#2689644)

Oops!

2. Hack Wilson Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:21 AM (#2689651)

Senator Joseph McCarthy would have been very pleased with these tactics.

3. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:27 AM (#2689655)

I, for one, am certainly glad we got to the bottom of all this, friendships, livelihoods and perhaps marriages have been ruined.

Why?

4. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:32 AM (#2689657)

Look, we're going to know a lot more in a few hours than we do now. I don't think there's much to be gained by another round of debating what it could all mean at this point.

Still, it's interesting that Clemens' team didn't react that strongly to the story about McNamee injecting Roger's wife when it came out. Maybe they were planning the Debbie Defense all along.

5. Darren Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:38 AM (#2689660)

I find it odd that they would excuse Pettitte if he's saying stuff like this. Why not have him there to give his side of the story in public? They also seem to enjoy shaming people, so they could do that to him too.

6. Repoz Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:42 AM (#2689662)

I find it odd that they would excuse Pettitte if he's saying stuff like this.

They said that Pettitte would not be a good live witness as he tended to flip-flop his story around and get confused easily.

7. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:43 AM (#2689664)

They said that Pettitte would not be a good live witness as he tended to flip-flop his story around and get confused easily.

On the other hand, it sounds like he has a wonderful career as a Congressman ahead of him.

/Captain Obvious

8. pkb33 Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:50 AM (#2689669)

I, for one, am certainly glad we got to the bottom of all this, friendships, livelihoods and perhaps marriages have been ruined.

Why?

From a 'good government' perspective this thing is, of course, a joke and a waste of time.

However, it's pretty clear that the reason the hearings today are happening is because Roger Clemens made a huge issue out of his denial of PED usage, including multiple press conferences, reports, and investigators. Being the primary, if not quite sole, reason today's hearings occurred one can't really be sympathetic to the resulting situation, seems to me.

A lot of people were named in the Mitchell report. Some of them likely are innocent, and some of them claimed so. No one other than Clemens decided to take as public and aggressive an approach, though, and whatever the flaws in the Mitchell report (which are numerous) and the congressional interest (which are also numerous) one has to recognize that set of actions by Clemens is why we are watching this thing today.

So, McCarthyism is correct from the perspective of Congress, perhaps, but Clemens injected himself into the issue in a way that no one in the McCarthy hearings did after being named (rightly or wrongly). It's important to remember that, I think.

9. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:50 AM (#2689670)

It would be cool if they called Pettitte and he just stared over his glove and didn't say anything.

10. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:52 AM (#2689672)

Clemens injected himself

If he had, I guess none of this would be happening.

11. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:53 AM (#2689675)

However, it's pretty clear that the reason the hearings today are happening is because Roger Clemens made a huge issue out of his denial of PED usage, including multiple press conferences, reports, and investigators.

People make a huge deal out of a lot of things, including press conferences Where is the congressional investigation of the BCS? What about the congressional investigation of Britney Spears mental health. Where is the congressional investigation of Kelvin Sampson?

12. Repoz Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM (#2689677)

BREAKING NEWS...Pettitte has just announced that he used HGH in 2004...supplied by his father!

Some witness!

13. David Nieporent (now, with child) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:58 AM (#2689679)

They said that Pettitte would not be a good live witness as he tended to flip-flop his story around and get confused easily.

You mean, like he suddenly admitted that he used hGH more than he had previously admitted?

14. pkb33 Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM (#2689682)

People make a huge deal out of a lot of things, including press conferences Where is the congressional investigation of the BCS? What about the congressional investigation of Britney Spears mental health. Where is the congressional investigation of Kelvin Sampson?

You are missing the point.

I wouldn't defend the idea that this is a more relevant topic for congressional energy than, say, education, healthcare, or infrastructure. It's not; that's the good government issue I raised before.

It also tells us little about the substance of what they are discussing today to say so. Clemens has spent a spectacular amount of money, time, and energy to attack the Mitchell report. That may be because he's innocent and it may be because he's in denial, but it's pretty much unquestionably why we are hearing from him today, seems to me. So if you blame Congress right now I think it misunderstands what's going on, though certainly it's true in part.

15. E., Hinske Posted: February 13, 2008 at 10:59 AM (#2689681)

"I enjoyed talking with him," said Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif., who said the discussion included baseball stories and personal accounts about the Sept. 11 attacks. "It's always good to meet the person who is in the spotlight. ... I told him, 'This is not a trial.'"

I like how your American Congress thinks that a trial, with procedural protections for the accused, is somehow worse than this process. Witness who is no good because he contradicts himself? Well, let's just get his evidence by affidavit and leak it - that way he doesn't look bad.

16. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:00 AM (#2689683)

Pettitte corroborates mcnamee, congress has evidence of their own that corroborates mcnamee, mcnamee injected clemens many more times then originally stated (maybe we learn the secret to clemens historic 1997 season).

Clemens may very well be toast, and end up more of a pariah than barry bonds.

17. chris p Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:00 AM (#2689684)

with procedural protections for the accused

well, one way it's different is that there is no 'accused'

18. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:00 AM (#2689685)

So if you blame Congress right now I think it misunderstands what's going on, though certainly it's true in part.

well, I don't think congress should have ever been involved, truthfully.

Just like I don't think Congress should be involved in the Patriots cheating scandal.

19. David Nieporent (now, with child) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:05 AM (#2689687)

I just want to go on record saying that Steve Phillips is retarded. Watching this on ESPN, and he apparently has never heard of a placebo. ("hGH must work, or players wouldn't use it!") Also, if it's on the internet, it must be true. ("hGH improves eyesight!")

20. bunyon Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM (#2689688)

I enjoyed talking with him," said Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif., who said the discussion included baseball stories and personal accounts about the Sept. 11 attacks.

Andy Pettitte, 20th hijacker.

21. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:06 AM (#2689689)

David, that whole eyesight thing started when game of shadows was released.

22. Mattbert Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:10 AM (#2689693)

Andy Pettitte, 20th hijacker.

Let's save the invective for later. Nobody deserves to be associated with Mets fans until all the facts are in.

23. Hack Wilson Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:12 AM (#2689695)

Andy Pettitte, 20th hijacker.

Not exactly, leaks from Andy's testimony indicate that Clemens told Andy 10 years ago that Mrs. Clemens was purchasing box cutters to give to Arab flight instruction students.

24. E., Hinske Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:13 AM (#2689700)

well, one way it's different is that there is no 'accused'

He may not be an accused in the traditional sense, but certainly his reputation is at stake, at least amongst the rational majority who wait for the evidence to make their decisions.

25. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:15 AM (#2689701)

knoblauch now corroborates mcnamee...and admits to using longer then said in the mitchell report.

Nice...

26. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:17 AM (#2689703)

A lot of people were named in the Mitchell report. Some of them likely are innocent, and some of them claimed so. No one other than Clemens decided to take as public and aggressive an approach

Gee, I wonder why? It wouldn't be because Clemens is the biggest name in the report, with the most to lose? Would it? I mean, of course, there's no difference between Roger Clemens and the rest of the name.

27. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:18 AM (#2689704)

back·ped·al (bāk'pěd'l) Pronunciation Key
intr.v. back·ped·aled or back·ped·alled, back·ped·al·ing or back·ped·al·ling, back·ped·als

1. To move the pedals of a bicycle or similar vehicle backward, especially to apply a brake.
2. To move backward by taking short quick steps, as in boxing or football.
3. To retreat or withdraw from a position or attitude: The senator later backpedaled on the issue.

28. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM (#2689707)

Who is this? Waxler? Why won't Waxler STFU. What a windbag.

29. Boots Day Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:23 AM (#2689708)

I haven't been following this all that closely, but let me see if I understand: The United States Congress is investigating whether a private citizen, Roger Clemens, used a certain drug that may or may not have been illegal, depending on how that person obtained it.

Is that right? If it is, that's far more horrifying than baseball players using steroids, hGH, greenies, or anything else.

30. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM (#2689711)

Who is this? Waxler? Why won't Waxler STFU. What a windbag

He looks like a chipmunk.

And it's quite obvious his mind is already made up.

Boots Day: YEP!

31. aleskel Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM (#2689712)

The United States Congress is investigating whether a private citizen, Roger Clemens, used a certain drug that may or may not have been illegal, depending on how that person obtained it.

hey, you think its easy avoiding the important issues that effect the future of this nation and its people? They need something to waste their time on!

32. Hack Wilson Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM (#2689715)

An example of a politician (Gov. Lester Maddox) backpedaling:

Link

33. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:29 AM (#2689716)

I care lot about steroids.

Does anyone at all care about HGH? HGH is a total non issue.

34. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:29 AM (#2689717)

Why does Congress still use Styrofoam cups? What the #### man?

35. Shredder Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:32 AM (#2689720)

Does anyone at all care about HGH? HGH is a total non issue.

haven't you heard? Steroids, HgH, they're all the same thing! Except for greenies. Guys who used them aren't cheaters at all.

36. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:32 AM (#2689722)

This is such nonsense. There it is again

Think of the children!!!!!!!

Sorry pal, baseball players aren't going to schools and offering steroids as miracle drugs. And there's many more important issues that affect the children than freaking steroids. Holy hell.

37. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM (#2689725)

And what's even worse, is that this is being broadcast on every national news channel. This country really needs to get its priorities straight.

38. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:39 AM (#2689729)

Clemens is ######.

39. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:42 AM (#2689731)

"im a human being", ROFL.

And of-course, like all juicers, he doesnt believe roids help. This is the second time he said this.

40. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:43 AM (#2689733)

Dusted for what?

41. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:43 AM (#2689734)

And what's even worse, is that this is being broadcast on every national news channel. This country really needs to get its priorities straight.

Just wait till Britney Spears' next sneeze.

42. aleskel Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:44 AM (#2689737)

Dusted for what?

you can't really dust for vomit

43. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:45 AM (#2689739)

And of-course, like all juicers, he doesnt believe roids help. This is the second time he said this.

Like all juicers? Like Jose Canseco? You're right. He doesn't believe that roids help. Even though he says he still uses them. Caminiti too, despite saying he used them to win an MVP.

And you know, maybe, just maybe, Clemens doesn't believe roids help, and didn't use them.

44. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:45 AM (#2689740)

Clemens just perjured himself.

Or McNamee did.

45. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:46 AM (#2689742)

Also, McNamee is a total moron. Hoping the issue would fade away? Has he been locked in a basement for the past 5 years?

46. Shredder Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:47 AM (#2689744)

you can't really dust for vomit

Dammit, you beat me to it.

Wow, McNamee admits he's a liar. Good strategy.

47. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:48 AM (#2689746)

Thank God McNamee is looking out for the young people

48. Guapo Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:48 AM (#2689747)

Wow, McNamee wants to save baseball now. He's so full of #### it's ridiculous.

49. Free Joe C and the Pop Culture Portmanteau Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:48 AM (#2689749)

Anyone else hoping for a shouting match or this getting totally out of control?

I sure am.

Oh god, they're thinking of the children now. The children!

50. ronh Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:50 AM (#2689751)

I'm going to enjoy watching and reading the Clemens backer's heads explode today.

51. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:50 AM (#2689753)

Also, McNamee is a total moron. Hoping the issue would fade away? Has he been locked in a basement for the past 5 years?

Yea, I'm glad he withheld critical evidence from authorities until Roger pissed him off. Then he decided to do the right thing! Great character.

52. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:50 AM (#2689754)

Maybe strikeouts have nothing to do with it, & Clemens spelled his kids' names with "K" because he's too stupid to know how to spell.

53. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:50 AM (#2689755)

McNamee admitted to being a liar. That's a great way to boost credibility.

And think of the children. Come on! The children!

54. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:51 AM (#2689756)

why did McNamee leave the NYPD? Thats a sweet gig, they can retire after 20 years at full pay!

55. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM (#2689758)

I hope they continually remind McNamee that he is under oath, as well.

56. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM (#2689760)

I say this out of a mixture of jealousy and resentment- do any of you guys work? How are you watching this? TV in the office?

57. Guapo Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM (#2689759)

God, Andy Petitte's grammar is terrible.

58. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM (#2689761)

"McNamee admitted to being a liar. That's a great way to boost credibility."

That's what clemens should have done. Waxman mentioned things clemens lied about, and of-course, clemens never acknowledged it. Mcnamee, however, did.

59. Best Regards, Larry Mahnken Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:52 AM (#2689762)

Oh, that's weak.

60. Andere Richtingen Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM (#2689764)

From a 'good government' perspective this thing is, of course, a joke and a waste of time.

And that's pretty much where the story ends for me. In this particular context, the PED aspects are just details. The real shame in that room should go to the people asking the questions.

61. Fat Al Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM (#2689766)

mlb.com is streaming it, and it's on ESPNradio and I'm sure lots of other places

62. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:53 AM (#2689767)

I am watching on cspan.org

Its streaming.

63. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM (#2689769)

I say this out of a mixture of jealousy and resentment- do any of you guys work? How are you watching this? TV in the office?

I'm in college. Just got back from class, and next class isn't until 4:20 :)

64. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM (#2689770)

Pettitte "misheard." All questions have now been answered.

65. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:54 AM (#2689771)

"misheard", buwhahahha. T.V. Show about three old men on hgh? nice!

66. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM (#2689773)

jesus this is a slaughter

67. Guapo Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM (#2689774)

LOL! Great excerpt from the deposition.

68. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM (#2689775)

I work from home, so TV in the office.

Pettitte "misheard."

"He thought I said I was taking HGH, when in fact, I said I was reading HG Wells!"

69. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:55 AM (#2689776)

Clemens is hopeless when it comes to verbalizing his thoughts.

Which is, of course, a fancy way of saying he's dumb as a box of rocks.

70. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:56 AM (#2689777)

now it's the legal drugs, keep going roger.

71. bunyon Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:56 AM (#2689778)

I'm in college. Just got back from class, and next class isn't until 4:20 :)

You should be doing homework.

72. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:56 AM (#2689780)

I think both McNamee and CLemens are as dumb as a box of rocks.

73. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM (#2689782)

Clemens is hopeless when it comes to verbalizing his thoughts.

This I can agree with. There are many, many people here who would have difficulty speaking in front of congress.

74. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM (#2689783)

You should be doing homework.

I would if there was any.

75. Free Joe C and the Pop Culture Portmanteau Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM (#2689784)

I say this out of a mixture of jealousy and resentment- do any of you guys work? How are you watching this? TV in the office?

Listening on MLB.com while I work. Admittedly, not especially hard at the moment.

76. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM (#2689785)

I'm waiting for Roger to throw a broken bat head at Rep. Elijah Cummings.

77. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM (#2689786)

I think both McNamee and CLemens are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Aren't they both from Texas? My prejudices are confirmed!

78. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM (#2689787)

ugh this is sad

79. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM (#2689788)

LOL@roger now bringing up the grimsley report. I knew it was coming.

80. bunyon Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM (#2689789)

Pettitte "misheard." All questions have now been answered.

Clemens: Well, you see, I don't want to say this because Andy is my friend, but really he's dumb as ####.

81. E., Hinske Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM (#2689790)

Clemens' logic doesn't make sense. Andy misunderstood this conversation and thought that Roger said he was using HGH. Andy would have come to Roger before using HGH if he thought Roger was using HGH. Well Roger - Andy says that he thought you were using HGH?

82. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM (#2689792)

E., clemens wasn't named on the grimsley report. That right there proves he's innocent.

<sarcasm>

83. E., Hinske Posted: February 13, 2008 at 11:59 AM (#2689793)

Hey, the Congressman figured it out.

84. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM (#2689796)

This much is clear. Debbie Clemens should be banned from baseball and her records should be stricken.

85. E., Hinske Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM (#2689797)

Clemens really shouldn't be insisting on this point. Say that Andy got it wrong. Give your evidence, let the lawyers and PR guys do the argument.

86. bunyon Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM (#2689798)

You should be doing homework.

I would if there was any.

Send me your email, I've got some assignments I need to test out. :)

87. Rodney Harrison, ESPN Monday Night Football Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:02 PM (#2689801)

Debbie Clemens should be banned from baseball and her records should be stricken.

She should have her children taken away.

88. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:02 PM (#2689802)

Yeah...that's what he said.

89. Harold Reynolds: An Erotic Life (AG#1F) Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM (#2689803)

That Reader's Digest HGH story was in November 2003. It took me about three seconds to Google it and find out.

90. Boots Day Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM (#2689804)

Clemens is hopeless when it comes to verbalizing his thoughts.

This I can agree with. There are many, many people here who would have difficulty speaking in front of congress.

He should have brought an interpreter.

91. marko Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:03 PM (#2689805)

Kissimmee, I used to live in that area, and have went to spring training games. It's close to a school called "gateway highschool". Yes I saw clemens pitch, and I should of hassled him about steroids.

92. aleskel Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:04 PM (#2689806)

honest question - did they ever bring perjury charges against Palmiero for the finger-wagging incident? If not, how can they realistically threaten perjury charges now?

93. E., Hinske Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM (#2689807)

Jesus, with the way that this is going, Clemens should have just started with: "Members of Congress, even though I've proven my innocence, I'd still like to have this hearing, so that you can all bask in my gentle decency."

94. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM (#2689808)

McNamee strikes me as a complete ####### goomba twit.

95. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM (#2689809)

honest question - did they ever bring perjury charges against Palmiero for the finger-wagging incident?

I don't believe so. That would've been a slam dunk.

If not, how can they realistically threaten perjury charges now?

Who knows. I bet a perjury charge will come from this though.

96. Free Joe C and the Pop Culture Portmanteau Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:05 PM (#2689810)

did they ever bring perjury charges against Palmiero for the finger-wagging incident?

He's not black like Bonds and Clemens. Duh.

97. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:06 PM (#2689811)

That reminds me of something extremely goofy - John Rocker said he doesn't think Rafael Palmeiro used steroids. Even though he failed the drug test.

98. HGM Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:07 PM (#2689813)

John Rocker is quite clearly...off his rocker.

99. gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:07 PM (#2689814)

Rocker's IQ is probably even lower than Clemens'. Which probably means he suffers from at least a mild form of Down syndrome.

100. bunyon Posted: February 13, 2008 at 12:07 PM (#2689816)

did they ever bring perjury charges against Palmiero for the finger-wagging incident?

It's a good point. Perjury strikes me as one of those charges that only gets formally made if you piss someone off. Prosecutors don't seem to mind being lied to nearly so much as they mind being made to look foolish.

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