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I have the exact same reaction. These are two of the least credible witnesses I've ever seen.
This whole thing proves nothing.
Undoubtedly our respective perceptions are very much colored by our own biases, but based on my viewing of much of the first half-hour, no, I don't think he came off well at all.
He might've done better since you started watching, but I haven't had a chance to watch any of that.
McNamee hasn't done well, either. A pox on the house of everyone involved, the legislators very much included.
They would have to be able to date both the blood and the steroids and even if they did they would still have huge chain-of-custody issues. That physical evidence may be strong on the back pages but it strikes me as pretty weak in proving anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
And I've really heard everything I need to hear about Clemens's buttocks.
"palpable mass on his buttocks"
"He traveled with those little band-aids for his butt if he bled."
Where's a Mike Piazza post when you need one?
Clemens: "I do not. However, I am sitting in a pool of blood following Rep. Waxman's questioning. "
"palpable mass on his buttocks"
"He traveled with those little band-aids for his butt if he bled."
Where's a Mike Piazza post when you need one?
Maybe the bat was a lover's quarrel?
what? not our role to judge whether the facts are correct or not?
am i hearing this right?
what? not our role to judge whether the facts are correct or not?
They report, you decide!
This examination of Mitchell's guy is boring. Good, back to McNamee!
Exactly. Both Clemens and McNamee are making that mistake. I think Davis asked McNamee something like "wouldn't other people who knew about the star player of the Jays getting injections have made a big deal about this?" McNamee should have just said "I can't speak to other people's opinions and motives" instead of rambling on and weaving a bigger web of lies.
Both are just morons and have been poorly prepped by their attorney. Keep your answers short and simple. If you don't know, say so.
Of course, I don't really believe it's the acoustics.
Smooth.
I demand an investigation!
Plus, his answer is... lawyerly. (Handles himself much better than Clemens or McNamee, not surprisingly.) He's quite correct that the MR doesn't explicitly state that steroids were discussed at the Canseco luncheon -- but that's the only possible reason to put it in the report.
Got to like the senile Congressman who can't even remember Canseco's name.
To put someone between the two of them
Got to like the senile Congressman who can't even remember Canseco's name.
They named a Fieldhouse in Indianapolis after him for heavens sake!
It sounded like Clemens forgot how many Cy Young's he has
Comparing Baltimore's "stop snitchin'" crime culture to MLB locker-room codes...please.
This reminds of that Kids in the Hall episode where Dave Foley is on trial for murder, and the prosecutor asks "Did you kill (the victim)?", and he responds "No. This is so easy!"
i) McNamee is a psycho who lied (plausible),.
ii) Pettitte misheard or misunderstood that Clemens took HGH. Coincidentally, he ends up getting HGH from the same psycho who is framing Clemens. Also, Debbie Clemens takes HGH from the same guy!
iii) The abscess could well have been from B-12, but is more consistent with winstrol.
Probably not enough for a perjury trial, but enough for conviction in the court of public opinion.
btw, any theories on the party-line split here? GOP congreessmen dont like Mitchell? Clemens donates to the GOP? Dems just dont like Texans?
This hearing is taking on more and more of a partisan feel. Largely, the Republican members of the Government Reform Committee seem more sympathetic to Clemens, the Democrats more skeptical. Rep. Patrick McHenry of North Carolina just passed around a statement accusing Democrats in the House of wasting time on baseball instead of focusing on issues like immigration and the economy.
Give me mcliberty or give me mcdeath!
Or gay marriage, or flag burning, or censuring Moveon.org....
But she's not even an American citizen
Basically, Waxman was accusing Clemens of tamporing with the evidence of the nanny. Because he was asked to find her, on a Friday, he met with her on Sunday, and then she testified. Clemens basically said, "Dude, I found the nanny for you, what more do want?"
"Well, until he lied and said I took steroids, I didn't have a problem with him."
Lost in the nanny tampering confrontation is that the nanny basically gave supporting evidence to the McNamee allegations.
If McHenry is somehow right on an issue, as appears to be the case here, rest assured it's purely coincidental.
WTF is that all about?
Thanks. So it really was as ridiculous as it sounded.
11:44 A.M.: McNamee received his harshest questioning from Rep. Dan Burton. He described Clemens as a baseball icon and accused McNamee of trying to tear him down. He said the hearing is a trial by media.
In a hostile, almost mocking tone, Burton asked McNamee why he kept Clemens' used syringes and bloody gauze pads.
"I distrusted him to a degree," McNamee replied, sounding pretty cool and collected.
When Burton asked McNamee why he worked for somebody he distrusted to such a degree, McNamee said, "He was my employer."
McNamee also admitted he kept needles from Knoblauch, which he recently passed on to federal investigators.
Burton clearly has no love for McNamee. He brought up repeated examples that McNamee was not honest with investigators or the press. "You just lie when it's convenient for you?"
Perhaps the most shocking admission: McNamee said he lied to two Daily News reporters when he was quoted in a story as saying he never obtained steroids or HGH for Clemens and Pettitte.
Burton chomped on McNamee like a pitbull, but McNamee has not cracked. He kept his cool under a pretty hostile onslaught from the Indiana Republican.
The "most shocking admission" part really kills me, but these guys are not even trying to be evenhanded, unlike Jayson Stark.
"We ranked players by OPS, Madame Senator. Oversized-headness Plus Star-power. We did not adjust for park or era. "
You misspelled "anarchist."
Sorry Jason, but Orrin Hatch uttering the name "Long Dong Silver" during the Thomas hearings sets a pretty high standard in this regard.
that must have been in the beginning ..
I thought roger has done a bang up job up to this point, from what i have seen.
Uh, isnt that because Pettitte's recollections are the single most damning thing to come out of this hearing? And his explanations are totally implausible.
come on already .. i need my sleaze ..
i need to hear about Rogers ass ..
what kind of bog biscuits his cat eats .. and why? does his dog lift his left or right leg when he licks his ass, and what color is the ass ??
i need to know these things ...
whats the hang up.
Because most of the politicians have their mind made up and then go after the person they don't believe. Is it that hard of a concept to understand? Nearly everyone else has talked to Clemens. Why is somebody grilling McNamee a bad thing?
Several congressman went after mcnamee.
They went after him because his story is just as fully of holes as Clemens. Most people realize this.
I think Clemens could have said, "I have no idea what Andy is talking about it," and it would have played out better.
Well, yes, Pettitte's recollections are the only really damaging thing so far, but it looked bad, as I said earlier, because Clemens couldn't just stick to the short answer, "Andy must have misunderstood me." You can believe that or not, but Pettitte doesn't claim to have witnessed actual PED use -- only a statement from 1999 or 2000 or whatever year that was. We know that at least as early as 2005, Clemens told Pettitte that he hadn't used steroids, so it's not an excuse he just made up.
I thought Clemens came off much better in his press conference than he is here, for the most part.
And let me just add: these hearings are retarded.
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