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Being calm and collected while admitting multiple lies to the press and investigators only takes you so far.
What I don't understand is WTF Pettitte's wife has to do with any of this. The fact that Pettitte repeated the conversation to his wife may indicate that a conversation happened, but it does not indicate that Pettitte properly understood the conversation to begin with.
Oh dear, I smell an immigration investigation coming up
McNamee looks shifty, presentation-wise. Clemens looks pretty flustered a lot of the time.
I think I already signed up to be one of those....
What looks better on the ballot for Georgia's Xth District:
Gomez (L-GA)
or
Wannabe (L-GA)
The way Clemens answers questions makes me think that one day we'll see this:
Roll Call:
Clemens (R-TX): Nay
Isn't this what most of us have thought all along? That Clemens is lying, but that the evidence isn't necessarily worthy of a criminal indictment for perjury.
That said, I keep wanting to believe Clemens, but that sudden invite to his nanny after seven years has pretty much done his credibility in for me. To call this an "appearance" of impropriety has got to be the understatement of the year.
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Oh nice, someone finally asks some questions about complicity on the part of MLB ownership.
Of course it didn't have much to do with the subject of this particular hearing, but I was glad to see that, too.
He also went after him for the lies. check out the excerpt linked here.
Burton did more than question the needles.
Sincerely,
Pope Shredder
Biggest problem for McNamee has been the pounding he's taken over the multiple new versions of his story.
he took 11 correspondence course and passed himself off as a doctor .. with a minor in something ... i missed that ..
11 course by mail LMAO
Yes, judging from your previous posts, it must have taken a lot to convince you that Clemens might be guilty.
Of course you do, you find everything that shows Clemens as an ass-injecting PED user. With all this talk about "kevin not admitting..." I wonder why people don't hold Darren to the same standard. He has actually been insulting.
It's a good point. Perjury strikes me as one of those charges that only gets formally made if you piss someone off. Prosecutors don't seem to mind being lied to nearly so much as they mind being made to look foolish.
I don't think you can make a perjury case based on a future drug test when the person is testifying to past conduct. If anyone has anything additional on Palmeiro, I'm sure Congress would happily except it.
bar bar bar, college stuff, Going after Clemens
Congress is interested in drugs in sport. They have been trying to gather information, but they have been having people lie to them. They put great stock in the accuracy of the Mitchell report. Clemens has tried to intimate that the report has authenticity issues. Based on the habitual lying, I'm sure Congress wants the whole truth. And if this was some type of civil suit, I imagine the attorneys would be deposing the same people with the exact same safeguards.
If everyone is so disgusted, they can try to vote different and turn off their TV. I doubt it makes a dent in what happens though.
Am I missing something? The nanny says he was at the house but she doesn't remember a party. Against that there are tons of people who remember a party but no Roger.
I thought it was odd earlier when Clemens said something like "I don't believe I was there," rather than "I simply wasn't there."
Well, it indicates that Pettitte isn't misremembering. It doesn't indicated, as you note, that he understood correctly.
After his deposition, Congress decided that he would not be a good witness.
the knoblauch admission, the nanny situation, and the MRI'S dont help much either.
I'm way behind here, but the reason they didn't bring perjury charges before was because they couldn't prove that Palmeiro had used PEDs before he testified in front of Congress, because his positive test was after the testimony. He was never charged with anything one way or the other, so double jeopardy wouldn't apply, and they could still charge him if new evidence comes to light that he had used PEDs before his testimony.
Yes, but Clemens may have somehow convinced her to lie to Congress. Maybe he knows a few Jedi mind tricks.
Just sayin'.
Yes, judging from your previous posts, it must have taken a lot to convince you that Clemens might be guilty.
Yeah, I really hate Clemens, all right. I've only rooted for him in every game of his life other than the ones where he pitched against the Yankees. I've said many times that I admire the way he hasn't ducked questions a la McGwire. And I'm still hoping to see him exonerated, since he embodies everything I like in a player.
It must have taken a lot to convince you otherwise. You might have actually bothered to get to the "y" in "Andy" before jumping in with that bullshlt.
The MRI's were inconclusive. some people thought some things, other doctors thought other things.
I don't think the Knoblauch admission hurts Clemens much; it's just tangential.
I'm not up to speed on the nanny situation.
The MRIs cut both ways.
Isn't this called the Otter defense?
He's from the DC office of DLA Piper, IIRC.
It's not really relevant to anything, but because Mitchell tried to get cute by including it, he put McNamee's credibility at issue with respect to it.
Don't have any idea what you mean about the "nanny situation." What she said, or the fact that Clemens interviewed her before the committee did? She didn't corroborate Clemens being at the party. As for tampering, I'm going to assume that Hardin was smart enough to have several witnesses present to swear that there was none.
As for the MRIs, if you think they're bad, you need to listen further in the hearings, where we get experts to say the opposite -- as well as the team's doctor.
Moreover, we actually heard that the team doctor did give Clemens a B-12 shot at one point; so much for the "That's crazy; nobody gets those" argument.
I'm surprised you didn't expect this. This is the modus operendi. SOlid evidence comes out, and people not only ignore it, they insult people that even consider it.
Then when it is shown they are wrong, and most often were completely unable to even understand things that were happening, they go, "I was right at the time."
Face it, Darren is just going to insult everyone that thinks his hero used illicit means in his performance.
The "think of the children" segment.
Clemens doesn't know what a vegan is!
He had that "granma tol' me to take B12" spiel locked and loaded, didn't he?
I find the fawning over Pettitte as a truth teller by the Committee to be laughable in light of the following lies he told after the Mitchell Report came out:
Link.
Go here for a laugh, and part 2 is even better
Enjoy
Anybody who's accurate right off the bat is probably cheating.
Devin,
We aren't transactionally sure of anyone's honesty, including Pettite. But finding one missstatement and even finding one lie should not lead to all testimony being considered irrelevant.
If you have corroboration to the incidents, then it starts being something you can trust.
The Pro Ass Injector crowd does the same thing always-- they try to pretend like you can't believe anything from any witness that harms your case. They have basically painted Andy Pettitte with the same brush they did Kimberly Bell. In fact, the evidence on Roger is starting to become greater than the evidence on Barry. Anderson didn't admit the assinjection--McNamee did (which goes to show that nothing would satisfy the pro ass injectors). Moreover, McNamee appears to be bringing physical evidence of syringes mixed with Roger's assblood.
Heck, how can you stomach Roger when his attorney "Rusty" is threatening to "eat federal agents lunch if they mess with him" and when we find out his cover story was to throw his wife under the bus.
You immediately believed McNamee from the outset. To pretend that you are somehow now coming around to his side of the story doesn't hold any water.
ROFLMAO. That was easy to predict.
Anything interesting going on today?
And the Union crowd relies on the same old childish things always.
Because the authenticity of the Mitchell Report is the sole reason for the hearing. Not the other reasons being promulgated by the Assinjector Posse. Presumedly, these witnesses have information where they could either corroborate or call into question items in the Mitchell report. If they do, Congress wants to hear them.
I will be interested in how your scientific acumen determines where in the body the blood originated.
or is it that you just love having an excuse to say "ass" as often as possible?
You are right, Science and corroborated testimony are always relied on, and I learned much about that when I was a child.
Do you really believe this? Jeez.
The sole reason for the hearing is face time for the Congressmen.
Is that some new internet-speak for name-calling?
Did you learn the phrase "Pro Ass Injector" from the same people who taught you to scream "Pro Abortion"? It is the same sort of tactic.
or is it that you just love having an excuse to say "ass" as often as possible?
I'm not sure I need to prove it, just that it came from Roger. At that point, I'll take McNamee's word that it was the ass rather than "the lower back". If Clemens wants to test for Lower Back Blood he can have at it.
They have basically painted Andy Pettitte with the same brush they did Kimberly Bell.
His work as a pretty teenage detective was nowhere near as good.
(*) For the record, I can't see any reason on earth why Pettitte would lie about a decade-old conversation with Clemens. But he certainly could have misunderstood it.
Because he's not running for anything and he's not getting paid.
Outside of traumatic and life-changing events, though, I am rightly suspicious of anyone claiming a good recollection of things that happened 5 and 10 years ago. In my 25+ years of experience of deposing people, reviewing facts, and litigating cases, people don't remember even important conversations for that far back, much less casual conversations.
Of course, now that Pettitte has decided to throw his father under the bus, screw 'im.
She admitted PED use. Clemens is reading a statement from her right now.
(What it is)
In my hips from left to right
(What it is)
What it is
Is I might be doin'
(What it is)
This funky dance all night
either Clemens sucks at reading or his wife sucks at writing.
He tried to read that statement a couple times earlier. Anything interesting?
Ooh, if the hats still fits, you must acquits!!
the real question is, how did Clemens let her keep the name Debbie all this time? Shouldn't she have switched to Kelly or Kim or Kassandra by now?
great stuff
Hey, Chris Murphy--a voice of reason!
Nope, he just met good ole' winstrol. He was walking around in 98 knowing he couldnt inject himself with winstrol, and felt the need to ask about another steroid, but seemed to know enough on winstrol that he didn't need to ask mcnamee anything about that.
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