I hate to start a thread with snark, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

This incident shows that Tampa Bay fans are on their way to the big time. Hehe.

I was going to go the other way, Phillies Phans uncouth behavior has now spread to the players themselves, was the player throwing batteries at the fans? or was the fan dressed up as Santa?

Hey it only took two posts to bring up an incident from 1968 as if it is relevant. Awesome.

Hey it only took two posts to bring up an incident from 1968 as if it is relevant. Awesome.

Jd Drew was only a decade or so ago, heck I'm pretty sure Rolen got batteries thrown at him also. Seriously, there is a very valid reason why Phillie phans have the reputation.

My money's on Brett Myers, particularly if the fan turns out to be of the female persuasion.

Rotoworld says its J.C. Romero.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1013913.ece

Hey it only took two posts to bring up an incident from 1968 as if it is relevant.

Okay. Uh, how about the Rays fan fell down some steps and broke his neck and the Phillies player cheered?

Jd Drew was only a decade or so ago, heck I'm pretty sure Rolen got batteries thrown at him also. Seriously, there is a very valid reason why Phillie phans have the reputation.

I was referring to Santa Claus.

Okay. Uh, how about the Rays fan fell down some steps and broke his neck and the Phillies player cheered?

Well it would be better than doing what Jets fans did when they cheered their own player getting hurt. But no one remembers that.

Rotoworld says its J.C. Romero.

Roid rage.

Damn that hotheaded Jamie Moyer. This will give them an excuse to void his contract. He was set up!

Well it would be better than doing what Jets fans did when they cheered their own player getting hurt. But no one remembers that.

Jets fans? I only remember that happening in Cleveland.

Nooooo. Please keep Moyer around long enough to break Roberts's record.

Nooooo. Please keep Moyer around long enough to break Roberts's record.

heck trade him to the Yankees and let him pitch half a season there and the record is shattered.

I was referring to Santa Claus.
I knew that, but my point is 68, 78, 88, 98 it hasn't changed, they are still asses out there. Boo Schmidt, boo Santa, cheer for an injury, wonder why players don't want to play there as you pelt them with batteries etc.

Jets fans? I only remember that happening in Cleveland.

Jets fans cheered when Chad Pennington was hurt and Kellen Clemons had to come in. Browns fans of course threw beer bottles at refs.

I knew that, but my point is 68, 78, 88, 98 it hasn't changed, they are still asses out there. Boo Schmidt, boo Santa, cheer for an injury, wonder why players don't want to play there as you pelt them with batteries etc.

And there are equal if not bigger asses for other teams but no one remembers.

Jets fans cheered when Chad Pennington was hurt and Kellen Clemons had to come in.

Chad had his wind knocked out of him on one play. It looked bad when it happened so the trainers rushed onto the field. He quickly gained composure, but had to come out for at least one snap because of NFL rules. Chad was waving to the crowd, which was cheering HIM, as he walked off the field for the obligatory one snap on the bench.

There are classless Jets fans, but nobody I knew cheered for Chad getting injured that day. In fact his reaction after the initial contact, lying facedown motionless on the ground, looked so bad, the stadium was stunned and apprehensive more than anything.

I think the easiest thing this morning is to rip the tar out of Jets fans for cheering when Chad Pennington got hurt. Let me join the chorus. What a sickening, shameful display.

-Peter King

Seriously, a Peter King quote?

Edit. I was going to say that Peter King was the NFL's answer to Jeff Perlman. But that would not have been fair to Pearlman, who could at least write (a little). It's really hard to find a suitable analogy, one as ignorant, narcissitic and mediocre as PK.

Sorry I couldn't find a biased Jets fan quote so I had to find an unbiased quote instead. The commentators for the game said pretty much the same thing too. I have no love for King, but if you want to attack the source instead of what was said, be my guest.

There's no point in criticizing Philly fans for their behavior. The behavior has nothing to do with the Phillies, Eagles, Sixers, or Flyers; it's people finding an excuse to behave like a$$holes. You'll find that in Philly, New York, Cleveland, Duluth, Albuquerque, etc.

The commentators for the game said pretty much the same thing too.

This is a lie.

This is a lie.

I saw the game and I remember them saying it. Here's a blog I found via a google search.

"They're cheering because Pennington's going out. I don't care what anybody says." Phil Simms, during the broadcast of Sundays NY Jets game.

Lord, Simms is a righteous goof of the Gary Cohen level, though. I can't take anything they take at first glance seriously. It's like the morons who said Pedro ATTACKED ZIMMER when it was clearly the opposite.

Apparently only Jets fans are right and everyone else are a bunch of morons. Got it.

Apparently only Jets fans are right and everyone else are a bunch of morons.

When you quote Peter King and Simms at their most self-righteous, then, yeah, you pretty much are.

I saw the game and I remember them saying it. Here's a blog I found via a google search.

The blog you cite contradicts your position.

Participant A: "Commentators said X"
Participant B: "That's a lie."
Participant A: /provides quote of commentator saying X
Participant B: "You're a moron for quoting commentator".

Awesome stuff. Awesome.

Well, equating phans with morons, although an exercise in redundancy, is never anything short of awsome.

I was at the Harry Kalas memorial service at Citizens Bank Park. Someone came in wearing a Pittsburgh Penguins shirt.

Yes, Phillies fans actually booed somebody at a memorial service.

Nooooo. Please keep Moyer around long enough to break Roberts's record.

Well, if he met a truck today, it'd be hard to argue against Moyer being clearly 'above' the three guys that happen to list ahead of him there.

He's 2 HR behind Niekro as of this moment, and the IP gap is only 1575 in favor of Niekro.
4 behind Jenkins, 575 IP gap.
25 behind Roberts, ~760 IP gap.

So if we treated this in some manner vaguely analogous to hitters with not quite the amount of PAs to qualify for the batting title, we'd need to credit him 24 HR given up, in let's call it 750 IP.

1) 339 pitchers qualified via BBRef's definition in 2008. Average HR/9 MLB-wide is bang on 1.0 with rounding. Mental math says that's 83 HR expected, give or take a decimal point or so. So Moyer would have to go from his career mark of 13% over that (and getting much worse the older he gets) to instead being 72% better than average.

2) 750 IP, we could call it 3 250-IP seasons. That'd be 8 per. I don't have PI, perhaps someone who does (or Sean, if he's done being lazy and isn't already working on integrated digital game footage covering the years 1876-2012 to implement this weekend, which wouldn't surprise me) can tell who the last pitcher to throw 250 IP and give up 8 or less HR is. Spot checking some people popping into my head, Tewksbury's a no (confused HR with BB for a sec there), Saberhagen's 1989 is 13 HR in 262 IP, Tudor's 1985 is 14 in 275, Gooden's 1988 is damned close with 8 in 248.1. Clemens' 1997 is 9 in 264.

So it's basically Maddux, out of the net I cast. His 1992 is 7 HR in 268 IP. This misses the otherworldly 1994 where he had 4 in 202 IP. Moyer would have to turn his HR giving up ability into basically the exact comp of Greg Maddux from 1992-1997 to avoid being on top.

3) 200 IP, we can go back to last season. The fewest HR given up over 200+ IP were 12 by Cliff Lee and 14 by Lester. Interestingly, the raw numbers get worse after you cross the 200 IP threshold. The 15 guys above 200 gave up 18.9 HR (212 IP avg), the 15 below gave up 23.2 (186). Outside of Lee, the only guy who can even scratch (but not sniff) the rate we need over a reasonable IP boundary is Eveland, with 10 in 168. To actually get 8 or less (and that was for our 250 IP season, not 200) we go all the way to Fausto Carmona with 7. In 120 IP. The next is Joba with 5 in 100, Kitty Dong with 4 in 95, and then JP Howell, Jamey Wright, Sean Green (?), and Rich Harden. Some dude named Roy Corcoran gave up only 1 HR in 72 IP, damn impressive.

4) Finally, looking at Moyer's numbers on their own, the last time he gave up 8 or less HRs in a segment of his season was when he gave up 8 after going to the Phillies in 2006. In 51 IP. Before that? I was in junior high, the nation was just about to find out what grunge was, and Moyer was a Cardinal. 5 HR in 31 IP, 1991.

Jamie Moyer is the HR king.

The Associated Press (via ESPN.com) confirms it was Romero:

The St. Petersburg Times reported on its Web site Saturday that Phillies reliever J.C. Romero grabbed and shoved Robert Eaton, 25, of New Port Richey, Fla., after the fan made two comments about steroids.

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Eaton told the newspaper he called out to Romero after a couple of Phillies brushed off his requests for autographs, asking the left-hander to get him some steroids. After Romero told him to shut up and that he didn't know what he was talking about, Eaton said he replied that Romero was the one who'd been suspended recently.

"He reared back and kinda grazed my chin and grabbed me by the neck and threw me back," Eaton told the newspaper. "I was in shock."

And that's the fan's version of events. Not to say Romero was justified in physically assaulting him, but this clown acts like he's entitled to an autograph, then starts acting abusive when he's rebuffed. He's lucky he didn't get knocked out.

That is much funnier if you skim portions like I did, and wonder why Romero was throwing Adam Eaton around.

And that's the fan's version of events. Not to say Romero was justified in physically assaulting him, but this clown acts like he's entitled to an autograph, then starts acting abusive when he's rebuffed. He's lucky he didn't get knocked out

agreed, this guys version of the events makes him appear to be an ass. I just hope some slimy lawyer(damn reduncy) doesn't get ahold of this guy and attempt a lawsuit.

That is much funnier if you skim portions like I did, and wonder why Romero was throwing Adam Eaton around.

I thought the same thing.

Unless this Robert Eaton is under 14 years old, I say Romero was justified.

Attacking Adam Eaton would be justified too. "Why you bastard! Give back that World Series ring! We're lucky you didn't keep us out of the playoffs two years in a row!"

Unless this Robert Eaton is under 14 years old, I say Romero was justified.

Eaton's 25.

I just hope some slimy lawyer(damn reduncy) doesn't get ahold of this guy and attempt a lawsuit.

In the immortal words of Abe Simpson, "Too late!" From the St. Petersburg Times article:

Eaton's lawyer, James Magazine, said he was retained late Friday afternoon and hasn't had time to investigate the case.

"I don't feel what I said was wrong," Eaton said. "I feel if you cheat the game you're going to hear it from people. He brought that on himself. I just can't believe that a professional athlete would cross the line."

More from the fan's account of the incident, courtesy of the St. Pete Times:

After players brushed him off, Eaton said he called out to Romero, something to the effect of, "How about you get me some juice?"

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Romero snapped, Eaton said, telling him to "shut the f---- up" and that he didn't know what he was talking about.

Eaton said he replied that Romero was the one who'd been suspended recently.

For what it's worth, here's Romero's comment on the matter:

"What'd he say - that he was drunk and got into a fight? ... I'm not going to comment about it. I'm trying to be professional and I don't really want to get into that. Don't make a story out of nothing. I don't know what's going on. I'm just finding out through you guys."

I was at the Harry Kalas memorial service at Citizens Bank Park. Someone came in wearing a Pittsburgh Penguins shirt.

Yes, Phillies fans actually booed somebody at a memorial service.

I don't follow how wearing a Penguins jersey = booing.

There are such people as Penguins fans in Philadelphia. And there are such people as Harry Kalas fans in Pittsburgh.

Unless you mean that the guy wearing the Penguins jersey was the one being booed at. In which case, ignore the above, and have a nice day. :)

When did Bobby Eaton turn into such a #####? 20 years ago Romero would still be picking his teeth up off the floor after an Alabama Jam.

Three ding-dongs today! Moyer has passed Niekro on the all-time list and is just one behind Jenkins.