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(sorry BBC)
/joke
First Tim Purpura is fired by a meddling owner, now Littlefield. What is this world coming to?
The article inplies that Nutting will be hiring the GM:
Wouldn't it make more sense for the new CEO to hire the GM?
Maybe JP will be next...
Either Vlad or Cripsix mentioned they were a WIkipedian in the wiki-groaning thread.
I'm wondering if Nutting hadn't found that none of the CEO candidates he interviewed were interested in Littlefield. Perhaps he decided to get rid of DL now, in order to get his desired CEO. I suppose if the CEO is announced in the near future, that might be a clue.
until you realize that it's the Pirates.
Or it could just be this.
Maybe Nutting is worried the Astros are going to hire the candidate he wants?
I think it was Vlad. I also seem to remember him complaining that someone from MLB changed pieces of it, but I could be making that part up.
That's what I thought at first too, but actually it makes a certain amount of sense under the "Pirates want to lose and run a stable profit" argument. Under that scenario, the reason to fire Littlefield isn't because he's done a bad job but because he's a PR liability. Firing him during the season could give the Pirates a little attendance boost here at the end of an otherwise dreary season as it gives Pirates fans some hope that change is just around the corner.
And honestly, there's probably no real downside to opening the job up this early - a few more weeks to find the right next candidate.
Thus ends the career of the worst general manager in the history of professional sports.
Was he the same guy who signed Mears and "operation shutdown" Derek Bell, Kevin Young and other stiffs?
But that's only on an interim basis, I assume, right? And really, there's absolutely nothing for the interim GM to do over the next month anyway, is there?
See, if they fire Littlefield and hire his replacement in the offseason, then the gain from firing Littlefield could be offset by the disappointment at who they hire to replace him. Here, delusional optimistic Pirates fans (and no offense to any posters here, but at this point don't you kind of have to delusional and unreasonably optimistic to be a Pirates fan?), can imagine that the next GM will be great before seeing that hope dashed several months from now.
Phil Seghi?
I'd hate to have my first order of business upon being hired to a new position to fire one of the organization's longest standing employees, regardless of his competence level. This is the only rational explanation for the timing of this move. Being the Pirates, of course, means it was made for an entirely different reason (does Bob Nutting have a daughter Littlefield might have slept with?).
Well, they get a head start on interviewing potential replacements. They've now got 3 weeks that the other teams who will fire their GMs won't have. While this strategy isn't used in pro sports much, it is used very effectively in college. UNC's firing of John Bunting last year to get a head start on hiring Butch Davis is a great example. They had Davis hired before a lot of other teams had even fired their coaches.
Kevin McHale?
It's kind of like when your bank account is down to your last
pennies and you know that you're going to get that direct deposit pay
check in your account at midnight, and even though you KNOW it's going
to be there, you're still so happy and relieved to see your balance jump
up after clicking refresh on your browser. Sweet, peaceful relief.
EDIT: However, I don't think either the Knicks or the Twolves fans were as badly served by Thomas and McHale, respectively, as Pirates fans have been by Littlefield. If the metric to measure a GM's competence is building a winning organization, Littlefield's the worst I've ever seen. But if (as you've argued) Littlefield has been executing front office instruction to explicitly not build a winning organization, if in other words the fan's expectations and the ownership's expectation are orthogonal, then perhaps Littlefield has been doing an excellent job -- just not the one that is intended to please the fan.
I have no idea about the timing though. They couldn't have waited another month?
Former Tigers GM Randy Smith
Former Royals GM Allard Baird
Former Devil Rays GM Chuck LaMar
ESPN analyst John Kruk
Lions GM Matt Millen
Former FEMA Director Mike Brown
An inanimate carbon rod
Plus the new GM might have time to look at the organization and figure out how not to lose McCutcheon in the rule 5 draft...
Pat Meares was extended on Cam Bonifay's watch, and I believe Young was as well. Bell was Littlefield's.
The Pirates have not have competent management since Syd Thrift was fired.
A cadmium rod might be more useful. That and a lot of concrete.
/joke
Dude, don't even joke about crap like that.
FWIW, the Cubs' actual scouting director (Tim Wilken) has an excellent track record with other teams (he was hired by the Cubs in the 05-06 offseason)--we'll see how the last couple Cub drafts pan out.
Clearly the carbon rod is the most qualified to evaluate the inner workings of the diamond.
Good Luck!
These are all current guys. The world didn't start in 2000. Wellington Mara had a pretty awful stretch with the New York Giants from 1964 to 1978.
In the interest of my black, black heart, I would love for DePo to get to fire Tracy again. C'mon, that's just fun!
Former Tigers GM Randy Smith
Former Royals GM Allard Baird
Former Devil Rays GM Chuck LaMar
ESPN analyst John Kruk
Lions GM Matt Millen
Former FEMA Director Mike Brown
An inanimate carbon rod
So Steve Phillips is so bad he can't even make this list?
I hope the Clippers recent success hasn't erased in our minds the horrible, horrible failure of a GM that is Nipsy Russell, er, Elgin Baylor.
I criticized the move at the time from the Cubs' perspective, citing a continued tendency on their part for trading valuable players for what would soon mean the privilege of retaining them in free-agent level long-term contracts -- basically, paying for the player both in prospects and cash. Sure, they got a good player in Ramirez but I didn't think that was how good organizations operate.
Good. Lord.
I understand Syd did some good work with the Pirates, but the Orioles fan in me just collapsed in a seizure of bitter laughter.
Wasn't that sketchy track record due in part to the Pirates promoting him to the majors really quickly then having to send him back down because he wasn't ready?
Not that that was Littlefield's doing.
No discussion of this topic can fail to make prominent mention of Bob Short's run as owner-GM of the Senators from 1969-71.
ARam was 25 at the time of the trade. He was rushed to the majors, debuting at the age of 20.
Aramis Ramirez had a great 2001 followed by a poor 2002. However, this season was spoiled by injury. And in classic Pirate fashion management punished him by complaining about his work ethic when Aramis HAD tried to play through the boo-boo. So his 2003 got off to a ho-hum start because Aramis came into camp a bit hefty. Don't know for a fact but it's reasonable to assume a young guy was some kind of p*ssed being held up to public blame when he was trying to be the good foot solider. Not that Ramirez was or is perfect. He was slopper on defense back then and then AND now still loafs on ground balls.
But the fact was the lad could and can hit. And the Pirates gave him away because, well, they were stupid.......
While he was a very good GM for several years, the fall-off-the-cliff decline in performance demonstrated by Brian Sabean has to make him a serious contender.
Having now had the time to look them up I see that Ramirez might also have been promoted from high-A ball straight to the majors.
That's just awesome. Littlefield being fired, Steeler football starting, the Pens not going to Kansas City, Dave Wannstedt hasn't mutilated another season yet, it's a great time to be a Pittsburgh fan.
Also, when once asked if I could get away with killing one person, I instantly answered Dave Littlefield.
Management's determination to alienate their best player is a bizarre strategy of the highest order.....................
He seems to be getting his head out of his arse lately, though. The last couple of drafts have been strong, and that Villalona signing looks like a steal. I'd give him one more off season to prove he's not an idiot, especially now that they don't feel pressure to build a team around Bonds and can instead just build a team.
I don't think either has maximized their resources available. Not even close.................
Best known for trading a very young Bobby Bonilla and firing TLR. He really had no idea of what a GM was supposed to do except playing a lot of golf.
He was so obviously out of his depth that he was canned after one year so he may not have the track record of some others mentioned.
I hear that young Gary Dell'abate has a promising arm.
Lasorda admitted not knowing about that rule...
I hate the Dodgers and Lasorda is a big reason why - he gets SO much love from the media and is pretty much a dullard. A motivational dullard, but dim nonetheless.
1) I come cheap. I have a friend with an apartment within walking distance of PNC Park, so I can be had with an incentive-laden contract.
2) I have no established track record of bad trades.
3) I've live near Tampa Bay, so I know how to run a team on a tight budget.
4) My g/f looks ####### in black and gold.
and, finally....
5) I'm not Dave Littlefield.
You're a lot more optimistic than I am.
And don't look now, but in this morning's paper Bonds was quoted as having talked with Magowan about how much Magowan hated the fact that Mays didn't retire as a Giant. And Bonds clearly has no intention of retiring ...
I'm not a Bucs fan by any stretch but a team with such a storied past deserves to have something to look forward to.
I really hope both they and the Royals finally start showing major signs of life.
Heck it wasn't that long ago that the Mariners and Indians were considered jokes (remember that episode of "Family Ties"?)
Best Regards
John
Hmm. I kinda just assumed Bonds would be in Oakland next year as it makes sense for everyone. The Giants move on, Bonds stays close to hom and DH's, and the A's get some needed offense. Magowan really needs to step back and let Sabean run the team.
Ted Stepien? Dwight Clark?
Ted Stepien? Dwight Clark?
Bob Pulford.
I'll admit, I'm stumped. I can think of a naughty word that wouldn't be complimentary to your g/f but that wouldn't be a reason to hire you. Were ####### followed by "good" or even "A", I'd have a good idea.
Anyway, I suggest sending a picture of your g/f to Nutting along with your resume. Of course, I haven't seen a picture of Littlefield's significant other so I don't know if you're more qualified for the GM role than he was or not.
b-i-t-c-h-i-n ?
EDIT: crap, slow reload.
Dear lord, yes. He is an absolute moron.
Didn't Littlefield acquire Bay and Oliver Perez for an aging Brian Giles? That's a better payoff than Wells, Fogg, and Lowe. And that is still one of the dumbest trades I've ever seen.
You are all my #######!
I'd say this is half right.
Except that Oliver Perez had no payoff to the Pirates. Unless you count Xavier Nady as a payoff.
You can't count acquiring a player in your favor if you subsequently destroy his mechanics and confidence through the pitching coach you decided to hire.
"09/07/2007 11:18 AM ET
Chairman Nutting's letter to fans
Pittsburgh Pirates
Dear Pirates Fans:
Today I announced that I have made the decision to relieve Dave Littlefield of his general managerial duties effective immediately. Brian Graham, our Senior Director of Player Development, will serve as interim General Manager to ensure a stable operation until a permanent replacement is found.
After eight months of listening and analyzing the situation, it has become clear that this decision was necessary to move our organization forward. While there are many bright spots for us to build from, I am not satisfied with the overall performance and progress that has been made.
I felt the time was right to announce my decision to ensure our organization is in the best possible position to attract the very best General Manager candidates. In addition to allowing more time to search for an eventual replacement, it should allow more time for our new General Manager to make the necessary evaluations and staffing decisions."
From Nuttings open letter to the fans:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070907&content_id=2194217&vkey=news_pit&fext;=.jsp&c_id=pit
What happened eight months ago? This wasn't a recent development that just sprang from February's frosty earth.
Yeah, the purveyor of that interesting conspiracy theory (was it Baron von Awesome?) has been strangely silent on this turn of events.
I guess this means BVA is already wearing a pair of cement shoes?
Ok. Even then, Jason Bay has proven to be by far Littlefield's best acquisition. Even if Bay's season this year was a piece of flaming dog turd.
Salary since trade: Giles- about $35m, Bay- about $5m
Even without Perez being part of the bounty, it was a solid trade.
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