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On the downside, he was a 27-year-old in the Southern League.
If Justin Upton steals two more bases this year, he'll become the 11th player to have 40/40 (HR/SB) through his age-22 season. Name the other 10.
Bonus: Which four guys did by the end of their age-21 season?
Darryl Strawberry...yes.
Fred Lindstrom...no.
Jose Reyes...no.
Al Kaline...no.
Carl Crawford...no.
Granville Hamner...I have to stop guessing him for these things. He started at age 17 but was an okay-hitting middle infielder.
Ed Kranepool...no. 48 homers but 6 steals.
Ken Griffey Jr. - yes, by 21.
Alex Rodriguez - yes. 106 HR and 97 SB after age 22 season.
Barry Bonds - yes.
It seems to be a modern phenomenon.
Mantle
A. Jones
Griffey Jr.
Yount
Soriano
Strawberry
A-Rod
EDIT: Now that Danny confirms the five, I will say that I was shocked to find that Mays and Mantle didn't do it.
EDIT: Nope. Only 20 HRs through age 22 and that included a Triple Crown season.
Did anyone do it before 1970?
Two.
EDIT: Again, missed on the HRs (27).
EDIT: Okay, he's my worst guess so far. He was 32 in his 30-30 season and was 25 when he made his major-league debut (29 when he hit his first major-league home run).
And here I was wondering how no one had guessed him yet. Whoops!
A-Rod
Strawberry
Griffey
Andruw
Cedeno
Bonds, Ba
?????
?????
?????
?????
EDIT: Probably my closest guess so far. Bobby Bonds debuted at age 22. He made it to 40/40 by the time he was 23 (41/61).
In that case, Winfield? EDIT: No.
EDIT: Landreaux. And, no. It seems like the Dodgers have had some very young players and I thought he might be one. Given that, Beltre? How old was he when he came up?
EDIT: And I was right (that his power came later). 29 HRs through age 22, his first power season was age 24 (1993, 33 HRs).
edit: Jinx. And no, only 31 steals.
Ken Brett?
Ken Phelps?
Graig Jefferies?
Gregg Nettles?
Rocky Colavito?
That Italian guy who played for the Red Sox and got hit in the eye?
Gotta go get work done now.
Landreaux was a college guy. At the end of his age 22 season, he had 0 HR and 1 SB.
It's spelled Landreaux. He lands in the time frame where I knew the name of pretty much every major-leaguer. He didn't get to 40-40 for his career until his age 27 season (1982).
Gary Sheffield
Ruben Sierra
Orlando Cepeda
Frank Robinson
Tony Conigliaro. He only had 20 SBs in his career.
Speaking of Red Sox in the 1960s with Italian names, what about Rico Petrocelli?
EDIT: Petrocelli only had half as many career steals as Conigliaro and didn't get his first one until he was 23.
He had half as many career steals as Tony C. The stolen base has never been much a part of the Red Sox arsenal, Tommy Harper and Jacoby Ellsbury excepted.
Petrocelli didn't steal bases.
And I'm thinking that Vada Pinson might be on there too?
EDIT: Didn't see Cedeno on Danny's list until just now. I think we got all ten...
Strawberry
Griffey
Andruw
Cedeno
Bonds, Ba
Beltre
(went 20/20 five times, including at ages 20 and 21)Pinson(109 RBI, .302 OBP at age 21)Sierra(HOFer, led the league in doubles as a rookie)CepedaEdit: Damn, took too long to make hints.
Phil Cavarretta? (no - short on both despite palying 6th years)
Mel Ott? (no - 31 SB with 115 HR)
Jose Canseco (no, just 31 SB -- same as Ott)
Inspired by recent recent dugout trivia questions on pitcher Ks:
Since 1900*, what pitcher struck out the most times at the plate?
*(Pud Galvin struck out the most of any pitcher ever, but he also had 26 non-pitching appearances, which means it's technically possible he struck out fewer times while appearing as a pitcher than this guy, so I'll just limit the question to 1900-onward).
EDIT: Not even close!
The leader fanned 593 times.
Moyer has 142 Ks - 369th place. That'll happen when you pitch in a DH league forever.
Walter Johnson fanned 251 times - 90th place. Well, 251 known Ks - the AL didn't record offensive strikeouts for the beginning of his career.
I was answering this one when BTF went on.
Answer: no.
Niekro's in 43rd place with 314 Ks, just behind Joaquin Andujar and above Larry Jackson.
Bob Feller?
This was the last message I tried to send before BTF collapsed.
Yes.
EDIT: 0.67% of a Coke to Kiko. And my last guess was correct.
Edit: no, he has 329 Ks
Reuss is an inspired guess - "only" 7th place - but jeez, where'd you come up with Reuss?
Robin Roberts is 16th place.
Other high-rankers no one mentioned:
#2: Milt Pappas
#6: Red Faber
#8 Dean Chance (only pitcher over 500 PA who fanned in a MAJORITY of his PA)
#9 Greg Maddux
#10 Jerry Koosmann.
Not in first place. AMong 1990s Braves pitchers, he's third behind Maddux & Smoltz.
Man, I missed the correct guess. Dope!
cavemanmental patient can answer it:As of today there have been a total of 19 players who played in four decades. Three of them (Nick Altrock, Minnie Minoso, and Jim O’Rourke) were the result of gimmicks, but the other 16 were legit. Name them.
EDIT: Moyer and Vizquel are current ones.
EDIT: Okay, I confirmed that Griffey, Kaat, and Wynn are all correct.
Bobby Wallace?
Jerry Reuss.
When Aroldis Chapman hit triple-digits on the radar gun, Reds TV ratings last night hit an all-time high. While Chapman was clocked at 103 mph last night, the Reds reached a record 17.7 rating for this season – or an estimated 17.7% (162,610) of the TV homes here — from 9:45 pm to 10 p.m.
Fox Sports Ohio says the game averaged a 12.6 household rating, or 115,756 TV homes, a new record for this year. It was the most-watched TV show here Tuesday, easily beating NBC’s two-hour “America’s Got Talent” on Ch 5 (8.7 rating). When the Reds audience peaked 9:45-10 p.m., FSO had more viewers than Channels 9, 19, 64, 12 and 12.2 combined.
Bobo Newsom.
Ted Williams
the Rickey
Nolan Ryn
Carlton Fisk
Tim McCarver
Jamie Moyer
Omar Vizquel
Ken Griffey Jr.
Jim Kaat
Early Wynn
Eddie Collins
Willie McCovey
Deacon McGuire
Jerry Reuss
Bobo Newsom
Mike Morgan
If Enos Slaughter could have gotten in a game in 1960, he'd be another.
Looking around a bit, I found three more: Jesse Orosco, Bill Buckner, and Rick Dempsey. Normally I wouldn't give answers I looked up, but in this case there question's off. (Not that I'm complaining, I've asked my share of botched questions).
That's 21 guys, not including the 3 mentioned and disqualified at the outset.
There are of course worse rates (in more limited playing time) at present: Ben Sheets has struck out in 41.5% of his PAs. But for Grove to reach 37.5% so long ago is amazing.
Pitchers
Starters: Nolan Ryan, Jim Kaat, Jamie Moyer, Early Wynn, Jerry Reuss
Closer: Jesse Orosco
Others: Mike Morgan, Bobo Newsom, Jack Quinn, Kid Gleason
Catchers: Tim McCarver, Rick Dempsey, Jack O'Connor, Jack Ryan, Carlton Fisk, Deacon McGuire
Frist basemen: Willie McCovey, Dan Brouthers, Bill Buckner, Mickey Vernon
Second basemen: Eddie Collins, (Kid Gleason)
Shortstop; Omar Vizquel
Third baseman: Jack Ryan (17 G lifetime), Deacon McGuire (5 G lifetime), Jack O'Connor (2 G lifetime)
Outfielders: Ted Williams, Rickey Henderson, Tim Raines, Ken Griffey Jr., (Bill Buckner)
Amazing how many four-decade catchers there were, and no actual four-decade third basemen. Of course, there wasn't a four-decade SS either until Vizquel.
This team is going to get a lot of lefties thrown at it. Here's a batting order (leaving Brouthers out). I put Raines at the bottom of the order to create a "speed trifecta" and give a little boost in later innings:
Henderson, rf
Collins, 2b
Williams, dh
Griffey, cf
McCovey, 1b
Fisk, c
McGuire, 3b
Vizquel, ss
Raines, lf
Pretty darned good team, but terribly thin on infielders. Collins would have to take over at SS if something ever happened to Omar, and Kid Gleason would have to play second, bringing the pitching staff down to nine guys.
And there's no chance for anyone new on the roster till 2020...
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