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Monday, June 16, 2008

Rany on the Royals: NL, How Do I Love Thee? Let Me Count The Ways.

HA!...It looks the days of “Danny Cater and see you later” have NOT returned.

There’s a meme going around this year that the NL is starting to catch up on the AL, primarily because offense levels are so much higher in the NL this year, prompting claims that the NL has all the young hitting talent. That may be so, but color me unconvinced, and not just because the AL went 25-17 against the NL this weekend. I just don’t understand why we have to interpret the higher offensive levels in the NL this year as the product of good young hitting in the NL, as opposed to good young pitching in the AL. Scoring levels tell you nothing about the quality of play – an increase in scoring could be the result of better hitting, worse pitching, or both.

As I write this, a total of 22 pitchers have thrown 50 or more innings this season with a better-than-league average ERA (i.e. an ERA+ of over 100), and are no older than 25. Fifteen of them are in the American League. In descending order of ERA+, they are: Scott Kazmir, John Danks, Aaron Laffey, Felix Hernandez, Fausto Carmona, Gavin Floyd, Jon Lester, Zack Greinke, Ervin Santana, Chad Gaudin, Jesse Litsch, Greg Smith, Dana Eveland, Edwin Jackson, and Matt Garza. Only seven toil in the NL: Edinson Volquez, Tim Lincecum, Cole Hamels, Scott Olsen, John Lannan, Chad Billingsley, and Jair Jurrjens.

So can we dispense with this idea that the NL is making a comeback? The dregs of the American League just went to the home of the NL West leaders and won two out of three, outscoring the Diamondbacks 20 to 7. A month ago they played the Marlins on the road and won two out of three. An extended run against the NL could be just the tonic the Royals need to right the ship. Three games in St. Louis against the NL Wild Card leaders? Bring it on. Especially since that means Bannister and Greinke both get to swing the bat, and that’s always fun.

Repoz Posted: June 16, 2008 at 07:56 AM | 26 comment(s)
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   1. Herr Mike Posted: June 16, 2008 at 09:36 AM (#2821161)
Yep, the Royals are better than the DBacks. Yep. The Cards will probably sweep them.

As I write this, a total of 22 pitchers have thrown 50 or more innings this season with a better-than-league average ERA (i.e. an ERA+ of over 100), and are no older than 25. Fifteen of them are in the American League. In descending order of ERA+, they are: Scott Kazmir, John Danks, Aaron Laffey, Felix Hernandez, Fausto Carmona, Gavin Floyd, Jon Lester, Zack Greinke, Ervin Santana, Chad Gaudin, Jesse Litsch, Greg Smith, Dana Eveland, Edwin Jackson, and Matt Garza. Only seven toil in the NL: Edinson Volquez, Tim Lincecum, Cole Hamels, Scott Olsen, John Lannan, Chad Billingsley, and Jair Jurrjens.


Using his own amazing logic, could we not attribute this to crappier AL hitting? Wotta chump.
   2. DCA Posted: June 16, 2008 at 09:40 AM (#2821164)
Or to crappier NL pitching -- and that's his point, that different levels of run-scoring between the leagues is not in itself an indication of quality. A point that you either missed or intentionally ignored so that you could get some replacement-level snark in.
   3. Boots Day Posted: June 16, 2008 at 09:46 AM (#2821170)
The dregs of the American League just went to the home of the NL West leaders and won two out of three

The dregs of the National League just went to the home of the AL Central leaders and won two out of three. Whoopee.
   4. Herr Mike Posted: June 16, 2008 at 10:08 AM (#2821182)
His whole blog entry was a snark, I felt it justified to respond in kind.
   5. 1k5v3L Posted: June 16, 2008 at 10:40 AM (#2821204)
If you're a fan of the Royals, shouldn't you just keep quiet?
   6. TerpNats Posted: June 16, 2008 at 10:55 AM (#2821212)
The dregs of the American League just went to the home of the NL West leaders and won two out of three

The dregs of the National League just went to the home of the AL Central leaders and won two out of three. Whoopee.
No, the dregs of the National League just went to the dregs of the American League and swept them (thank you, Kory Casto).
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: June 16, 2008 at 12:51 PM (#2821328)
due to the league size disparity, three of the four best teams in the National league have played 1 fewer interleague series (Phillies, Cardinals and Cubs) I wonder if those nine games missed would make up some of that record disparity.
   8. Brandon in MO (for America!) Posted: June 16, 2008 at 02:14 PM (#2821397)
When you consider that Pujols and Molina are both out, and their best healthy hitters are Ludwick and Schumaker.. the odds of the Cardinals losing a series to KC are btter than ever.

KC isn't as bad as the standings claim. KC should have like 34 wins already, but they've been plagued by a bad bullpen and bad managing.

Pujols hits .394/.472/.701 against KC (54 for 137) with 10 HRs. So he won't be missed.

The Royals are one good hitter away from breaking out.

Or maybe they just need to get Ross Gload out of the lineup, bring Butler back up, and find a better DH than Olivo.
   9. Brandon in MO (for America!) Posted: June 16, 2008 at 02:20 PM (#2821403)
The one thing better than a series win in STL (like the one KC had in 2006): Signing a pitcher from Cardinals County, that being Tim Melville from Warrenton.
   10. Sparkles Peterson Posted: June 16, 2008 at 03:41 PM (#2821489)
The difference between the leagues (Excluding PAs by pitchers) breaks down into the following components:

K/PA is 1.7% higher in the AL
BB/PA is 7.8% higher in the NL
BABIP is 0.4% higher in the AL
HR/F is 19.4% higher in the NL
Non-HR XBH/F is 12.5% higher in the NL

Last year:

K/PA was 1.4% higher in the AL
BB/PA was 3.1% higher in the NL
BABIP was 0.4% higher in the AL
HR/F was 5.6% higher in the NL
Non-HR XBH/F was 0.005% higher in the AL

It remains to be seen whether park factors make up for it, but far and away the biggest difference between this year and last is that NL hitters' HR and 2B rates are way up, and this is very hard to pin on pitchers (Who show very little control over HR/F) or defense (BABIP between leagues is unchanged).

The offensive data indicates that the NL has very probably made up significant ground on the AL, even if it hasn't shown in interleague records yet.
   11. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: June 16, 2008 at 03:45 PM (#2821493)
The NL's tiny parks seem like they'd account for a higher HR percentage, but that's a big jump from last year to this year; too big for the Nationals' new venue to account for it.
   12. Brandon in MO (for America!) Posted: June 16, 2008 at 03:56 PM (#2821508)
Or Coors Field could factor into some of the HR thing.

Ok, Colorado gets blamed for all of that no matter what.
   13. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: June 16, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2821511)
The Mets are 4-1 against the AL so far. Thus, the AL is worse than the Mets, who suck.


Seriously, the AL is 47-36 so far. Looking like more of the same.
   14. flournoy Posted: June 16, 2008 at 04:04 PM (#2821513)
What is the F in HR/F or XBH/F?
   15. Sparkles Peterson Posted: June 16, 2008 at 04:07 PM (#2821514)
Total flyballs. Outfield flyballs would be better, but I didn't have that data to make the calculations.
   16. flournoy Posted: June 16, 2008 at 04:10 PM (#2821520)
I see. Well neither XBH/F or XBH/[outfield]F strike me as very useful, since a lot of doubles are line drives in the gaps or down the lines.
   17. Sparkles Peterson Posted: June 16, 2008 at 04:19 PM (#2821538)
Agreed that there are improvements to be made in this data (And I only used XBH/F because that's what THT used when they studied this same thing a month ago), but these are very minor issues that should be evened out between the leagues when we're looking at over 2500 plate appearances in each league.
   18. Russlan is an overhyped Met BTFer Posted: June 17, 2008 at 03:58 AM (#2822372)
Rany seems to have ticked off the NL as they went 4-0 against the AL last night. The Royals faced the Diamondbacks and missed Webb and Haren. That team is built around those two guys and facing the Diamondbacks without seeing one of those guys means you are facing a different calibre team.
   19. Brandon in MO (for America!) Posted: June 19, 2008 at 03:50 AM (#2825668)
And KC has won 2 of 2 in St. Louis so far.
   20. Guts Posted: June 19, 2008 at 04:00 AM (#2825669)
The Cards suck. Don't get too cocky.
   21. Brandon in MO (for America!) Posted: June 19, 2008 at 04:29 AM (#2825670)
Yeah, they're only the second best team in the NL. They blow. ;)

Pujols couldn't have been carrying the rest of the Cards that much, right?
   22. Sparkles Peterson Posted: June 19, 2008 at 05:04 AM (#2825673)
Duncan is hitting like a pitcher and yet he got called back up over Mather, who was starting to adjust. Ankiel has been nothing but a mistake hitter for the past month. For all the crap Kennedy gets, he's actually outhitting the other middle infielders thus far in June. Jason LaRue is actually having a decent month but his talent level is a sub-Mendoza line backup without any power. One of our better relievers is in Memphis right now being stretched back out as a starter and one has Tony spooked with his poor control despite the fact that his stuff is more than compensating.

Add all that to Pujols and Wainwright on the DL and Yadier on the bench with a concussion, and this is the perfect time to be facing the Cardinals.
   23. Guts Posted: June 19, 2008 at 05:46 AM (#2825678)
Pujols couldn't have been carrying the rest of the Cards that much, right?

You would be surprised. Glaus and Ludwick are actual ML hitters, but the rest of the lineup? Slightly less so. The fact the Kennedy is outhitting the rest of the middle infield is very sad. Tony Pena Jr. sad.

Also, the Phillies are clearly better than the Cards, despite the records and the recent series, so the Cards are the 3d best team in the NL.

EDIT - Don't even get me started on the bullpen.
   24. Brandon in MO (for America!) Posted: June 19, 2008 at 12:45 PM (#2825959)
"Duncan is hitting like a pitcher"

on checking.. good lord he sucks, and he didn't hit well in Memphis either. Guess having your dad as a coach helps out there.

"Jason LaRue is actually having a decent month"

How LaRue got work after his 2007 in KC is beyond me.

As for comparing people's hitting to TPJ, idk how bad they'd have to be to get compared to a guy with an OPS+ of Minus 2. Not 2. Minus 2.
   25. Sparkles Peterson Posted: June 19, 2008 at 05:56 PM (#2826270)
on checking.. good lord he sucks, and he didn't hit well in Memphis either. Guess having your dad as a coach helps out there.


He at least has an excuse in that he's been trying to play catchup since spring training due to surgery, which led to his hitting simply falling apart, but the organization really should have stood by the decision to let him work this out in Memphis. It's entirely conceivable that the Redbirds have better players than the Cardinals right now at half the positions on the diamond: CF (Rasmus), SS (Barden), LF (Mather, though he's apparently day to day), and catcher (Anderson). That's not even including 1B where Phelps is definitely playing better than Duncan, though he's not really the player that Duncan is.
   26. Chris Dial Posted: June 19, 2008 at 05:58 PM (#2826274)
Duncan is hitting like a pitcher
Oh, I was told he just got sent down because the Cards were going to face a bunch of LHPs...
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