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Thursday, February 21, 2008

Reds sign Josh Fogg to one year deal

From the mind of Stephen King, “The Fogg”, coming to Great American Ballpark this summer.

“This is the place I want to be,” Fogg said. “I know some guys here. I played with David Ross in college. I thought this was best chance I had to help a club.”

Fogg, a 31-year-old right-hander, was 10-9 with 4.94 ERA last year with Colorado. It was the fifth time in six years that he’s won at least 10 games.

He’ll compete for a spot in the rotation—emphasis on compete. Fogg is in the group with Homer Bailey, Edinson Volquez, Johnny Cueto, Matt Maloney and Jeremy Affeldt competing for the two open spots in the rotation.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 21, 2008 at 07:32 PM | 12 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: February 21, 2008 at 08:32 PM (#2696802)
I will never see his name without getting pissed that he and two other guys were traded for Todd F. Ritchie.
   2. MM1f Posted: February 21, 2008 at 08:38 PM (#2696811)
"Fogg, who turned down $5 million from the Rockies, signed for $1 million."

Damn.
Poor guy. So much for the postseason induced payday everyone predicted.
And so much for everyone being so sure Kyle Loshe was getting anywhere from 3/27 to 4/40

1-year 1-million for a consistent, dependable 4th/5th starter is a pretty good deal for the Reds
   3. Eric J. Seidman Posted: February 21, 2008 at 08:44 PM (#2696819)
Doesn't put them over the top but considering what other #4 and #5 starters have been getting this is a pretty good deal.
   4. Wakefieldfan Posted: February 21, 2008 at 08:47 PM (#2696823)
In other breaking news, I ate a turkey sandwich for lunch.
   5. Eric J. Seidman Posted: February 21, 2008 at 08:53 PM (#2696826)
Wheat bread?
   6. Boots Day Posted: February 21, 2008 at 09:05 PM (#2696847)
"Fogg, who turned down $5 million from the Rockies, signed for $1 million."

I wonder what his source was for that. According to the papers here in Colorado, Fogg denies ever getting a formal offer from the Rockies.
   7. MM1f Posted: February 21, 2008 at 09:11 PM (#2696855)
"I wonder what his source was for that. According to the papers here in Colorado, Fogg denies ever getting a formal offer from the Rockies."

Maybe formal offer is where the difference is. Fogg, agent and O'Dowd are having a meeting or dinner or something. O'Dowd says, how does 5 mil sound. Fogg might say, I want multiple years. O'Dowd says theres no way the Rox can commit years to a 4/5 guy with all the young arms they have. Fogg says thats the only way I'm staying, O'Dowd says "so long" and they never get far enough to "formally" offer
   8. Hugh Jorgan Posted: February 21, 2008 at 11:57 PM (#2697023)
For the Reds, its a bargain. He'll make the staff and give them 180+ innings, league average ERA as a 4th starter...for $1 mil, that's bloody cheap.
   9. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth) Posted: February 22, 2008 at 12:59 AM (#2697053)
I don't know. I don't like the idea of Fogg in that park so much.
   10. Dag Nabbit and his imaginary friends Posted: February 22, 2008 at 01:54 AM (#2697085)
Last year, aside from Arroyo, Harang, & Belilse, the Reds had 64 starts with an ERA of 5.80. They want Homer Bailey and Fogg to replace that. They'll improve it, but then again Belilse isn't that good and odds are one of their big two will ease up a bit. It's a cheap price for a deep rotation, but I don't like his K-rate in front of that defense.
   11. Boots Day Posted: February 22, 2008 at 02:14 AM (#2697095)
I don't like the idea of Fogg in that park so much.

If he held his own in Coors, what makes you think he's not going to be OK in GABP?
   12. PASTE is not impressed by Albert Pujols (Zeth) Posted: February 22, 2008 at 02:44 AM (#2697108)
If he held his own in Coors, what makes you think he's not going to be OK in GABP?


1. He "held his own" over one season. For all we know, that might have been his career year. His peripherals are not great, he puts a lot of balls in play and doesn't get a ton of grounders, and none of that changed, for better or worse, last year. He's good enough to be a starter in the major leagues, but that's all.

2. He didn't really "hold his own at Coors," in the sense that he was able to pitch well at Coors field. His K/BB ratios were about the same at home as on the road, but he posted a 5.97 ERA at Coors, 4.15 on the road. I haven't studied it in depth, but I'm guessing this is pretty typical.

Fogg posted a 4.94 ERA last year, which was his lowest in three years, but he did that with the help of perhaps the best defense in baseball. The Reds' defense is, well, bad. He might work out in the 170 innings, 5.00 ERA sense, but I won't be surprised if he posts a 6.24 ERA through June and then gets released.

He's not costing the Reds anything, so it's not like I can roast Krivsky for wasting resources, but it's not bloody likely to work, and it's not a terribly bright move for Fogg. Maybe the Reds were the only team interested, but they're probably the worst situation he could place himself in among National League teams.
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