Mike Lansing, Jason Christensen, Adam Piatt, Tejada, Ron Villone..

Pujols was NOT named in the report.

Cubs folks:

- Sosa not mentioned except in a non-incriminatory passing way.
- Neither Prior nor Wood is mentioned.

. . . but Glenallen Hill is. :(

They can never take away that moonshot across Waveland.

Chuck Knoblauch

McNamee said that he acquired human growth hormone from Radomski for
Knoblauch in 2001. Beginning during spring training and continuing through the early portion
of the season, McNamee injected Knoblauch at least seven to nine times with human growth
hormone.

Mo Vaughn

Radomski said that Glenallen Hill referred Vaughn to him. A former major
league player has confirmed that Hill and Vaughn had a conversation in early 2001 in which
Radomski’s name was mentioned. Radomski recalled that Vaughn had an ankle injury and
called him for advice.401 Radomski told Vaughn that human growth hormone would help his
ankle heal faster.
Radomski said that thereafter he sold human growth hormone to Vaughn.
Radomski also provided Vaughn with a program for the use of the human growth hormone.
Radomski said that he delivered the substances to Vaughn personally. Radomski produced three
checks deposited into Radomski’s accounts and drawn on Vaughn’s checking account: two
checks for $3,200 each, and one check for $2,200. All of the checks are included in the
Appendix. One is shown below.

Paul Lo Duca

Todd Hundley referred Lo Duca to Radomski when Lo Duca played for the
Dodgers. Radomski estimated that he engaged in six or more transactions with Lo Duca. In
some transactions, Radomski sent the performance enhancing substances by overnight mail to
Lo Duca’s home or to the Dodgers clubhouse and Lo Duca sent Radomski a check a week or so
later.

Kevin Brown

Radomski said that Paul Lo Duca referred Brown to him in 2000 or 2001 when
Brown and Lo Duca were teammates with the Dodgers. Brown called Radomski and they spoke
about human growth hormone for one or two hours. Radomski said that Brown was “very
knowledgeable” about human growth hormone. Brown was placed on the disabled list in June
2001 with a neck injury and in July 2001 with an elbow injury. After Brown got hurt, he called
Radomski again and asked for human growth hormone.

Eric Gagné

Paul Lo Duca and Gagné were teammates with the Dodgers from 1999 to 2004.
Although he is not sure when, Radomski recalled that Lo Duca called Radomski and told
Radomski that Gagné was with him and wanted to buy human growth hormone. Gagné then
came onto the phone and asked Radomski a question about how to get air out of a syringe. This
is the only time Radomski spoke to Gagné. Radomski said that Lo Duca thereafter placed orders
on Gagné’s behalf.
Radomski said that he mailed two shipments to Gagné, each consisting of two kits
of human growth hormone.

Brendan Donnelly

Radomski said that Donnelly was referred to him by Adam Riggs. Both Riggs
and Donnelly played for the Angels in 2003 and 2004. Radomski recalled that Donnelly called
him in 2004 looking for Anavar, an anabolic steroid. Radomski made one sale to Donnelly of
Deca-Durabolin for which Donnelly paid $250 to $300.

In considering whether to trade for Donnelly in 2007, Red Sox baseball
operations personnel internally discussed concerns that Donnelly was using performance
enhancing substances. In an email to vice president of player personnel Ben Charington dated
December 13, 2006, Zack Scott of the Red Sox baseball operations staff wrote of Donnelly: “He
was a juice guy but his velocity hasn’t changed a lot over the years . . . If he was a juice guy, he
could be a breakdown candidate.”427 Kyle Evans of the baseball operations staff agreed with
these concerns, responding in an email that “I haven’t heard many good things about him, w[ith]
significant steroid rumors.”

Ha, David Justice not only juiced, he went in and named names too.

Upon a quick reading, Todd Hundley appears to be the Dodgers' "Patient Zero."

Dykstra. Eh. Never saw that coming.

Matt Herges, Adam Riggs, Benny Santiago

My list:

Lenny Dykstra, David Segui, Larry Bigbie, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Tim Laker, Josias Manzanillo, Todd Hundley, Mark Carreon, Hal Morris, Matt Franco, Rondell White, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Jason Grimsley, Gregg Zaun, David Justice, F. P. Santangelo, Glenallen Hill, Mo Vaughn, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Ryan Franklin, Chris Donnels, Todd Williams, Phil Hiatt, Todd Pratt, Kevin Young, Mike Lansing, Cody McKay, Kent Mercker, Adam Piatt, Miguel Tejada, Jason Christiansen, Mike Stanton, Stephen Randolph, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Paul Lo Duca, Adam Riggs, Bart Miadich, Fernando Vina, Kevin Brown, Eric Gagne, Mike Bell, Matt Herges, Gary Bennett, Jr., Jim Parque, Brendan Donnelly, Chad Allen, Jeff Williams, Howie Clark, Nook Logan

Not only did Lo Duca use...the handwritten notes to Radomski are hilaripus. "Thanks! Call me if you need anything! - Paul."

Oh, and Nook Logan on steroids? That's funny for so many reasons.

Kevin Brown named as well.

F.P. Santangelo?! I hope this gets him banned from ever announcing another Giants game (please oh please oh please).

I love that Mr. Heart and Soul is apparently the ring leader amongst juicers.

Does Fernando Vina still work at Baseball Tonight?

I think Adam Piatt is off of Miguel Tejada's Christmas card list now.

The Dodgers organization does not come across well in this report.

No! Not Josias Manzanillo!

This is the funniest (career 346 SLG, 2 career HR):

Nook Logan is an outfielder who has played in Major League Baseball since 2004
for the Detroit Tigers and Washington Nationals.

Rondell White, a Tigers teammate, referred Logan to Radomski. Radomski stated
that he sold Logan one kit of human growth hormone just before federal agents searched
Radomski’s house in December 2005. Radomski mailed the package to Logan, who paid by
money order. Radomski recalled having between six and eight conversations with Logan about
the use of performance enhancing substances. In the course of one of these conversations, Logan
confirmed that he had received the shipment from Radomski. Radomski still had Logan’s phone
number in his cell phone directory at the time of his final interview with me and provided me
with the phone number.

In order to give Logan the opportunity to respond to these allegations, I asked him
to meet with me; he declined.

I love that Mr. Heart and Soul is apparently the ring leader amongst juicers.
(Plaschke's head explodes.)

The Dodgers organization does not come across well in this report.
Too bad all their pennants now are tainted.
Oh, wait...

- Who will be the new savior? Where will turn to for that huge feel good story baseball is going to need?

Dustin Pedroia, of course!!

#### DUSTIN PEDROIA CHASE UTLEY FOR STORY

The Dodgers organization does not come across well in this report.

It sounds like PED suppliers got their business by word of mouth, which isn't really a big surprise. It could be that Mitchell just so happened to luck into finding a source for the Dodgers' connection whereas he didn't turn up, for example, the source of the Cubs' connection. After all, all of the BALCO boys had some connection to the Giants or A's right?

The Dodgers organization does not come across well in this report.

Maybe better than the Orioles, though.

This list 224 jibes with the profile generally discussed. Marginal players or guys with injury issues.

No! Not Josias Manzanillo!

ISTR he has a pretty good work-related reason to need additional testosterone, HGH, whatever.

Something about the nickname Josias "Half a" Manzanillo......

Larry Bigbie, a former Orioles player who we interviewed in our investigation,
confirmed that he observed Tejada injecting himself with vitamin B12 in the clubhouse
restroom

A quick search of "Varitek" in the PDF of the report returned nothing.

A search of "Boston" returned Canseco, Clemens, Manny Alexander, Paxton Crawford, Jeremy Giambi, Josias Manzanillo, Mo Vaughn, Chris Donnels, Mike Lansing, Kent Mercker, Mike Stanton, Eric Gagne, Brendan Donnelly, Steve Woodard, Peter Gammons, Mike Barnicle, Will McDonough, and Bob Ryan.

It should be noted that the latter four were in citations of articles, but since I haven't read the details on any of these names I didn't think it was fair to list some names and exclude others.

Re, 241:

Player A gave the investigators a vial of the vitamin B12 that he had received from Tejada, which was tested and found not to contain any banned substances.

It sounds like PED suppliers got their business by word of mouth, which isn't really a big surprise. It could be that Mitchell just so happened to luck into finding a source for the Dodgers' connection whereas he didn't turn up, for example, the source of the Cubs' connection. After all, all of the BALCO boys had some connection to the Giants or A's right?

Mitchell says in his statement that there certainly were other suppliers and other users.

The specifics in my post may be a bit overboard; however if you really beleive sports can be "igonred or completely dismissed" how can you be sad (and a number of posters noted specific players' outings would make them sad) if some cheated?

The can be is the important part since nobody is gonna go jump off a bridge because their favorite baseball player as a kid (mine was Jose Canseco, I've gotten over it) is named here. People like to think things are perfect and it makes them sad and disappointed when they are not.

So... do you think Tejada will be loved by Astros fans?

So are we really gonna nail Roberts on the fact that Larry Bigbie says Roberts said he tried steroids once or twice? I mean, even if that happened, it sounds like someone saying, when trying to look cool, "Yeah, I've smoked pot once or twice."

A search on "Yankees" produced the following names:

Steve Howe, Gary Sheffield, Manzanillo, Hal Morris, Rondell White, Clemens, Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Grimsley, David Justice, Glenallen Hill, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Todd Williams, Stanton, Kevin Brown, Daniel Naulty.

During baseball’s winter meetings in Nashville in December 1998, baseball executives and team physicians heard a presentation from Dr. Millman and Dr. Solomon on baseball’s drug policy. One attendee, Dr. William Wilder, was then the team doctor for the Cleveland Indians. In a memorandum to then Indians general manager John Hart that he wrote after the meeting, Dr. Wilder reported that the presentation focused on the benefits that could be obtained from testosterone. He was disturbed by the presentation, observing in the memorandum that whether or not testosterone increased muscle strength and endurance “begs the question of whether it should be used in athletics.” He believed there was “no reason that some preliminary literature can’t be sent out to the players concerning the known and unknown data about performance enhancing substances,” and recalled that Houston Astros’ team physician Bill Bryan presented a good overview of these issues with respect to supplements at meetings the previous year. Dr. Wilder reiterated these observations and views in our interview with him.

Bill Stoneman, who retired in 2007 as the general manager of the Los Angeles Angels, had a similar recollection of a presentation by Drs. Millman and Solomon. He remembered wondering at the time why Major League Baseball had permitted the presentation, which to his recollection included the assertion that there was no evidence that anabolic steroids were bad for you. He said that the baseball executives in attendance were universally frustrated with the message of leniency that was being conveyed.

At the meeting, Dr. Wilder discussed the issues directly with Gene Orza of the Players Association, who responded that any effort at education about supplements should wait until additional data were available. Wilder observed in his report that “That will be never! Orza and the Players Association want to do further study . . . so nothing will be done.”

#243 .. I am more surprised at Bigbie being a rat.

The money quote, for me:

According to the notes of an internal discussion among Los Angeles Dodgers
officials in October 2003 that were referred to above, it was reportedly said of Lo Duca during the meetings:

Steroids aren’t being used anymore on him. Big part of this.
Might have some value to trade . . . Florida might have interest.
. . . Got off the steroids . . . Took away a lot of hard line drives.
. . . Can get comparable value back would consider trading. . . . If
you do trade him, will get back on the stuff and try to show you he can have a good year. That’s his makeup. Comes to play. Last year of contract, playing for 05.

How many of those guys were implicated by someone who's not getting a plea deal or who's not an anonymous source?

Maybe better than the Orioles, though.

Here's the list of Orioles that I found:

Cust
Tejada
Roberts
Bigbie
Segui
Tim Laker
Zaun
Grimsley
Todd Williams
Jerry Hairston
Mercker
Kevin Brown
Howie Clark
Gibbons
Palmeiro

They only two on there that we didn't know for sure about before that anyone cares about are Roberts and Tejada. The evidence on Roberts is extremely weak (hearsay), and Tejada's gone.

It could've been much worse. No Ripken, or Brady Anderson for that matter.

Far less early 00's A's than I expected.


(Lo Duca's thank you note to Radomski is priceless. THANKS, Call me if you need anything!)

Interestingly, McGwire comes off no worse than thought previously. I thought for sure some more dirt would come out on him:

During the course of this investigation, we interviewed a number of coaches, club
personnel, former teammates, and other persons who know McGwire. Only Canseco, who
repeated the allegations from his memoir, said he had knowledge of McGwire’s alleged use of
steroids. Through his personal lawyer, I asked McGwire to meet with me for an interview about
these issues, but he declined to do so. I then sent his lawyer a list of specific questions about
whether McGwire had ever used steroids or other performance enhancing substances without a
prescription during his major league career, in the hope that McGwire would be willing to
provide a response outside of the context of an interview. Neither McGwire nor his lawyer
responded to that letter.

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dysktra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangello
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody Mckay
Kent Mercker
Andy Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christianson
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Chad Allen
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brandon Donnelly
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard
David Bell

Red Sox look good! Shame on the Yankees and their fans.

(Kidding...sort of).

Yay, no (current) Royals!

"Did you name any club officials or owners in the report?"

"Several club officials are named."

No Brian Giles.
I think i lost that pool.

No Boones', No Giles' .. No Prior.

its a good day to be a San Diegan.

oh wait.. I forgot.. KC signed Bonzo Guillen

Thank God Benny Agbayani isn't there.

I haven't had a chance to look, is there REALLY no Mets at all?

There is some mention of Dodger's brass talking about LoDuca no longer being on 'roids, and that he might be good to trade.

All those Orioles should prove that PEDs don't work.

This...was kind of a letdown. Nothing earth shattering, unless you're Bill Plaschke.

Interesting info regarding the Sox trade for Gagne:

When the Boston Red Sox were considering acquiring Gagné, a Red Sox official
made specific inquiries about Gagné’s possible use of steroids. In a November 1, 2006 email to
a Red Sox scout, general manager Theo Epstein asked, “Have you done any digging on Gagne?
I know the Dodgers think he was a steroid guy. Maybe so. What do you hear on his
medical?” The scout, Mark Delpiano, responded,

Some digging on Gagne and steroids IS the issue. Has had a
checkered medical past throughout career including minor leagues.
Lacks the poise and commitment to stay healthy, maintain body
and re invent self. What made him a tenacious closer was the max
effort plus stuff . . . Mentality without the plus weapons and
without steroid help probably creates a large risk in bounce back
durability and ability to throw average while allowing the changeup
to play as it once did . . . Personally, durability (or lack of) will
follow Gagne . . .

No Gileses or Boones?

Bogus.

And Troy Glaus mentioned only ONCE?

The fix is in, boys. The fix is in.

It's a bit of a mixed bag... a lot of these guys who are implicated only used HGH to get over temporary injuries (Kevin Young, for example). I'm not sure he deserves to get lumped in with the habitual muscle mass builders... he may, but I think these guys are less clear than the habitual users.

The one active player who was willing to talk to Mitchell? Frank Thomas. I wonder how this will affect his clubhouse standing.

WFAN sounds like they're repeating post #256 exactly, name for name.

So what do you guys think happens now? There's probably enough evidence to suspend the guys who paid with checks, but at least a few of the players on here (the first one to come to mind being Brian Roberts) are only implicated via hearsay

#264 - SSA:

Yeah, but then note that he bought from Radomski in 2004, after those discussions. Hilaripus, as I said.

The evidence on Roberts is extremely shaky, and I would say he comes out the best of anyone named in this report.

Bigbie just became a pariah. Can't believe he talked. Maybe he was bitter about playing in the minors.

No Brain Giles.

Marcus and Brian's stupid brother.

who injected clemens before mcnamee?

So who's the guy Francesa was really upset about?

I haven't had a chance to look, is there REALLY no Mets at all?

Schoeneweis is the only current one. A bunch of former Mets are named.

So who's the guy Francesa was really upset about?

Pettitte? Knoblauch? Stanton?

As an A's fan, I would like to welcome all you Yankees fans to the I Root For A Roiding Team Society.

Your table will be right over there, next to the Giants fans.

haha, except for Clemens the list is absolute crap.

No current Mets. Hundley, Vaughn, LoDuca and a bunch of scrubs from the 90s.

#270 - JRE:

I remember calling that one the instant it was revealed that an active player had decided to speak with Mitchell. Thomas has always been so outspoken about steroid use (with good justification given that it arguably cost him an MVP) that it was a pretty obvious guess he was the one.

I don't think it affects his standing too much...his views on the matter have never been a secret, and I suspect that while players might disdain some small-time player like Grimsley or Bigbie talking to Mitchell, they'd feel that Thomas has earned the right, and that nobody could ever had reasonably believed he'd be the sort of guy who would condone it.

I am shocked that John Rocker would be involved in questionable dealings, he always seemed like a rational person who didn't just do stupid things

Anybody know who Matt Karchner's roommates were in the spring of 1999? If you do then we will know who were his two teammates that were using steroids that year.

It sounds like Pettitte didn't do crap except take HGH to recover from an elbow injury. yawn.

It feels like Roberts really got screwed here.

I guess the PED explain why Knoblauch forgot how to throw the ball to first base. What was Sax on?

Hundley, Vaughn, LoDuca and a bunch of scrubs from the 90s

I will not stand for you calling Pratt and Franco scrubs!

As an A's fan, I would like to welcome all you Yankees fans to the I Root For A Roiding Team Society.

Your table will be right over there, next to the Giants fans.

But where's the table for the fans rooting for a roiding team that somehow simultaneously sucked, ie the Orioles?

It sounds like Pettitte didn't do crap except take HGH to recover from an elbow injury. yawn.

yeah, that and guilt-by-association with Clemens. Whatever.

I'm sure Frank Thomas and Gregg Zaun will have a lot to talk about this spring.

Love the new term "roiding team," without the apostrophe. Seems to be catching on.

But where's the table for the fans rooting for a roiding team that somehow simultaneously sucked, ie the Orioles?

We keep them in the back. They're kind of depressing.

I haven't had a chance to look, is there REALLY no Mets at all?

If they'd just had a juicer or two they'd probably have made the playoffs. :dry:

I get 88 names.

Adam Piatt
Adam Riggs
Alex Cabrera
Andy Pettite
Andy Piatt
Armando Rios
Barry Bonds
Bart Miadich
Benito Santiago
Bobby Estalella
Brandon Donnelly
Brian Roberts
Chad Allen
Chris Donnels
Chuck Knoblauch
Cody McKay
Dan Naulty
Darren Holmes
David Bell
David Justice
David Segui
Denny Neagle
Eric Gagne
Exavier "Nook" Logan
F.P. Santangello
Fernando Vina
Gary Bennett Jr.
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Gary Sheffield
Glenallen Hill
Gregg Zaun
Hal Morris
Howie Clark
Ismael Valdez
Jack Cust
Jason Christiansen
Jason Giambi
Jason Grimsley
Jay Gibbons
Jeff Williams
Jeremy Giambi
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Jim Parque
John Rocker
Jose Canseco
Jose Guillen
Josias Manzanillo
Juan Gonzalez
Ken Caminiti
Kent Mercker
Kevin Brown
Kevin Young
Larry Bigbie
Lenny Dykstra
Luis Perez
Manny Alexander
Mark Carreon
Marvin Benard
Matt Franco
Matt Herges
Matt Williams
Miguel Tejada
Mike Bell
Mike Judd
Mike Lansing
Mike Stanton
Mo Vaughn
Paul Byrd
Paul Lo Duca
Paxton Crawford
Phil Hiatt
Rafael Palmeiro
Randy Velarde
Rick Ankiel
Ricky Bones
Ricky Stone
Roger Clemens
Ron Villone
Rondell White
Ryan Franklin
Scott Schoeneweis
Stephen Randolph
Steve Woodard
Tim Laker
Todd Hundley
Todd Pratt
Todd Williams
Troy Glaus

Where did that bogus "list" come from. Is the first report of any hard news in sports EVER accurate anymore?

I'm obviously a hawk on this matter, but it's silly to name names when you only have essentially two sources.

What I really find funny is that Clemens' trainer took Clemens' steroids, told him not to take it, then gave the bottle to Canseco. It's like "hey I got some extra, crappy steroids, where's Canseco?"

Mark Carreon! I was wrong that the entire list would be mediocre Mets from the eighties and nineties, but I got one!

I'm obviously a hawk on this matter, but it's silly to name names when you only have essentially two sources.

There's no point in releasing names at all, unless you just want someone to point fingers at.

Shockingly small number of Hispanic players. I guess one could consider the problem of Dominicans and Venezuelans being coerced into taking drugs at young ages as a separate issue from what is addressed here, which is guys who are already high-level pros making the decision of whether to use drugs or not.

Bigbie just became a pariah. Can't believe he talked. Maybe he was bitter about playing in the minors.

Eh, he's in Japan now. I'd like to hear an interview with him about it though.

From the list in 256, the ones that surprise me most are Randy Velarde, Nook Logan and Howie Clark. But without actually reading any of the report, they might just be non-performance-enhancing Paul Byrd situations, or recovering-from-serious-injury Kevin Young situations -- I don't know.

I wonder if the whole thing is actually readable and interesting? The Starr Report certainly wasn't.

I wonder if the whole thing is actually readable and interesting? The Starr Report certainly wasn't.

I don't know, the footnote about the rimjobs was kinda fun.

Seems that we could assemble a pretty decent All-Roiding team from #298, maybe even an All-Oriole All-Roiding team.

an All-Oriole All-Roiding team.

That shouldn't be too hard to do, just take the 2004 Orioles.

C Javy Lopez
1B Rafael Palmeiro
2B Brian Roberts
3B Melvin Mora
SS Miguel Tejada
LF Larry Bigbie
CF Luis Matos
RF Jay Gibbons
DH David Newhan
Bench Jerry Hairston
Bench Jack Cust

Lopez, Mora, Newhan, and Matos are the only ones not named in the Mitchell report, and three of those guys improved considerably late in their careers.

Shockingly small number of Hispanic players. I guess one could consider the problem of Dominicans and Venezuelans being coerced into taking drugs at young ages as a separate issue from what is addressed here, which is guys who are already high-level pros making the decision of whether to use drugs or not.

This whole thing is based on like what, five sources? Based on what we know, a good deal of the players independently caught using steroids are not US born players and many players have suggested that more then 88 players over the last decade have used steroids. These are a couple of dealers, and it looks like their clientele increased through word of mouth. That's probably why it's so East Coast centric (Bigbie and the two bat boys are East Coast guys). This probe gives us nothing close to a complete view of the steroid issue in the game. It's just a ####### waste of everyone's time. And just for good measure, Mitchell makes sure to #### over Brian Roberts.

From the list in 256, the ones that surprise me most are Randy Velarde...

FWIW, Velarde was the subject of steroid rumors when he played at Oakland in 1999 and 2000.

Kevin, what are you talking about? Senility set in already?

Velarde was named in BALCO back when it broke. Old, old, old news.

Honestly, Dave Dravecky showing up on "The List" would be the only news I'd find devastating.

And from 2002...

...Randy Velarde, despite his limited playing time. A quiet veteran of 16 seasons whose physique looks as if it were chiseled from granite...

.

...and he was named at one point in the BALCO investigation.

That shouldn't be too hard to do, just take the 2004 Orioles.

C Javy Lopez
1B Rafael Palmeiro
2B Brian Roberts
3B Melvin Mora
SS Miguel Tejada
LF Larry Bigbie
CF Luis Matos
RF Jay Gibbons
DH David Newhan
Bench Jerry Hairston
Bench Jack Cust

Lopez, Mora, Newhan, and Matos are the only ones not named in the Mitchell report, and three of those guys improved considerably late in their careers.


Segui, Grimsley, and Todd Williams were on that team, too. Possibly ten juicers and it's the only time we escaped 4th place. Steroids WORK!

So 4 out of 5 games in the 2000 world series for the Yankees were started by pitchers on steriods. I think the Mets should make some sort of formal complaint.

That because the Mitchell Report could not provide a full accounting of the scale of cheating, it was a complete waste of time.

I would think a guy like you would want a sweeping, all inclusive report that would bring about real reform and change, not something that provided some easy scapegoats and no resolution to the issue. I don't much care about the issue, but if they were going to do this, I would have preferred they do it right. Guess you really just wanted those Yankee names. Nice to see you're a hypocrite through and through, no matter the discussion.

So 4 out of 5 games in the 2000 world series for the Yankees were started by pitchers on steriods. I think the Mets should make some sort of formal complaint.

But the Mets got a .600 OBP out of Todd Pratt in that series!

That because the Mitchell Report could not provide a full accounting of the scale of cheating, it was a complete waste of time.

That's pretty ridiculous, even for you.

The point is that it purports to be a full accounting, but when you look at the very limited sourcing, it obviously is not. If he had said hey, we couldn't figure a lot of stuff out and not many people would talk to us, but here are a couple of tidbits, it would have been more honest. This method lumps guys like Clemens where there is actual evidence with guys like Roberts for whom there is basically nothing. That's not a great methodology.

#318 gets it right. It's not a thorough investigation. That's the worst part, that the people intent on trashing the players can still say "And there's so many more cheaters out there who weren't part of Radomski's network or the 2004 Orioles!" This will provide no closure to anyone.