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Thursday, June 01, 2006

Report: Keith Law Resigns as Assistant to the GM, Toronto Blue Jays

This announcement appeared in the N&O this morning, but I can’t find an on-line link at the moment. Best of luck to Keith in his future endeavors.

Mike Emeigh Posted: June 01, 2006 at 09:32 AM | 370 comment(s)
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   201. Backlasher Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:35 PM (#2047985)
Okay. Because I guarantee that a Special Forces sniper could take aim from my porch and put a bullet in the front door of a Mexican restaurant that would be, at the least, the second-best Mexican place in Knoxville. I leave room for an outlier in Knoxville, and of the 3 places he could hit, I'd rank them somewhere in the 50s for Austin.

No doubt you would take Auburn too. We had two Mexican resteraunts and one was the friggin Taco Bell.

But Buckeye boy is talking smack about the premier affiliation of schools in America. He wants it to be cookoff. All I can cook is Mexican, so I think I get the honors on the duel.
   202. Chris Dial Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:35 PM (#2047986)
"Just because Rob Base has been pounding you like a veal scallopini over in the Mets blog"

"You're ascribing to me something I have never done."

Uh, sure, kev...
   203. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:39 PM (#2047987)

But Buckeye boy is talking smack about the premier affiliation of schools in America.



I wasn't talking smack about the GLCA, I was making fun of you hillbillies and your trade schools down yonder.
   204. Backlasher Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:39 PM (#2047988)
Chris,

Base is over in the mgl thread. I think he wants to play more than I do. I'll just watch this one.
   205. Jeff K. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:42 PM (#2047996)
No doubt you would take Auburn too.

If you relax the standards to just "any city", then Austin would take every town shy of San Antonio and possibly some place(s) in California. I've never been there, so I won't argue against them, but there is no doubt in my mind that Austin is top 5.
   206. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:43 PM (#2047999)
Which one is the MGL thread?
   207. Backlasher Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:45 PM (#2048001)
I wasn't talking smack about the GLCA, I was making fun of you hillbillies and your trade schools down yonder.

I know Wittenberg props up that affiliation, but its not good enough to overcome some of those lesser schools on Beall Avenue.
   208. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:46 PM (#2048003)
I dunno. Alberquerque, Tuscon, El Paso, Chicago, Homestead FL, Corpus might have something to say about that.
   209. Backlasher Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:47 PM (#2048005)
Which one is the MGL thread?

Chuckles
   210. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:48 PM (#2048007)
I know Wittenberg props up that affiliation, but its not good enough to overcome some of those lesser schools on Beall Avenue.

Wittenberg is not in the GCLA.
   211. Tim Lincecum doesn't Wang Chung tonite (GGC) Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:49 PM (#2048010)
Which one is the MGL thread?


The one about the Philly lineup. I don't care if Dial doesn't mind Base's taunts, but he needs to grow up. Of course, I'm saying that here. I should say that there, but I'm turning in. Enough soap operas today for me already.
   212. Backlasher Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:49 PM (#2048011)
Wittenberg is not in the GCLA.

Then you better start recruiting their ass.
   213. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:49 PM (#2048012)
The Loungification of potential flame threads worked.
   214. Tim Lincecum doesn't Wang Chung tonite (GGC) Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:50 PM (#2048013)
He meaning Base, not Dial.
   215. Jeff K. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:50 PM (#2048014)
Alberquerque, Tuscon, El Paso, Chicago, Homestead FL, Corpus

I've been to three of those cities. El Paso has an argument. Corpus and Alberquerque do not. Homestead, I just can't imagine how they have better Mexican. Mexican, not Latin. And Chicago? Better than Austin? Not a chance.
   216. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:51 PM (#2048015)
There are a bunch of Mexicans in and around Homestead.
   217. Backlasher Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:52 PM (#2048016)
Enough soap operas today for me already.

You haven't even got a taste of All My Backlashers yet. Don't wimp out.
   218. Jeff K. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:52 PM (#2048017)
The Loungification of potential flame threads worked.

*drums fingers together* Excellent.
   219. Backlasher Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:54 PM (#2048019)
*drums fingers together* Excellent.

Guys. acklasherbay got an OSTay on that subject.
   220. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:55 PM (#2048021)
{/if}
   221. Jeff K. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:56 PM (#2048022)
All My Backlashers

General VORPital.
ERAs of our Lives.
Guiding Wright.
   222. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:57 PM (#2048023)
The Loungification of potential flame threads worked.

MBS!
   223. Jeff K. Posted: June 01, 2006 at 11:58 PM (#2048025)
Guys. acklasherbay got an OSTay on that subject.

effKJay oesntday careday.
   224. Backlasher Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#2048029)
effKJay oesntday careday.

Ok

Mr. {/if}breaker
   225. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:07 AM (#2048034)
I've been to three of those cities. El Paso has an argument. Corpus and Alberquerque do not. Homestead, I just can't imagine how they have better Mexican. Mexican, not Latin. And Chicago? Better than Austin? Not a chance.

Do you know much about Chicago?

Chicago is the city of the dueling sausages. There are sausages of every flavor, color and nationality. And this benefits everyone involved.

<>

Inside I smirk when I get called fat. I know how big I am, and I know how much smaller I am than ALOT of these posters, because I have met a lot of them. So when you call me fat (or laugh along with someone who does), all the ones that know I am not as big as they are, likely think less of the posters that would go teh "you're fat" route.


If I recite my stunningly gorgeous bodily proportions, is BL going to call me out SAT-style?
   226. The Artist Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:07 AM (#2048035)

You're missing the obvious point that, now that the Jays are spending more, Law has chosen to leave.

Why now? The team is doing well, the payroll has been expanded, things are looking up. If if was about the money, couldn't he interview with another team for a position that paid a little more? I doubt ESPN is going to pay him very well. They just dumped Sickels and forced the rest of the writers, Gammons included, to earn their keep in Insider.

I surmise that he thought there wasn't a very promising future for him in baseball. ESPN is never going to remotely approach the salary of a baseball GM. He could write there 100 years and he isn't going to make 250K a year.

And if he just wants to be a writer, then why did he take the job in the first place? That's not a stepping stone to ESPN. And he's kind of young to be switching careers. Being 32 is a baby. He also could have seen what happened to DePo and wants none of it. I wouldn't blame him for that.


Kind of young to be switching careers ? Dude - I'm a 23 - I've done something for two years, and might well get another job before going to business school and then doing something different after that. This isn't the 50's - people switch career tracks all the time, because the priorities involve change. Hell, maybe he got married and his wife wants to be in the US - maybe there is some family reason - maybe the money just isn't good enough in Toronto. It seems absurd to evaluate his motives as being one of "failure", especially because the Jays are doing well (as you pointed out). The only way this works is if your definiton of failure is not becoming a major league GM - which is ridiculous.
   227. The Artist Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:12 AM (#2048039)
Aha - I see the discussion has taken a "different" turn in the meantime.
   228. Backlasher Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:16 AM (#2048042)
If I recite my stunningly gorgeous bodily proportions, is BL going to call me out SAT-style?

Nah, I'll just take you to dinner.
   229. Harold Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:17 AM (#2048043)
If if was about the money, couldn't he interview with another team for a position that paid a little more? I doubt ESPN is going to pay him very well. They just dumped Sickels and forced the rest of the writers, Gammons included, to earn their keep in Insider.

The first sentence is just funny. "Hmm, all of the companies in my industry pay very little for positions like mine (only the top execs make real money). I'm not happy with how much I make. Eureka! I'll just interview with another team for a position that pays more!"

The last sentence doesn't really make sense either. It's just as easy to interpret the move to Insider as, "ESPN finds their columnists so compelling that they've decided to charge people to read them, that demonstrates much more financial value than before."

I'm not saying that that's the case; I really have no idea what ESPN is thinking or how their website is doing. I'm just saying it takes somebody with a really negative bias to interpret that the move to Insider translates to less pay for the columnists. Hell, everybody else criticizes Neyer, etc. for selling out.
   230. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2048046)
Backup. Keith Law sued Chris Dial? WTF? I hate never being on the inside.


Well Keith's just LAYING DOWN THE LAW!!! Isn't he?

Ok I'll leave the puns to Brattain from now on.

The fact that he manifests those skills in insults is not necessarily a virtue. So its not like, "I don't care if he TOSes, I just like to watch him post." but a person should know his limitations. I would not be scared to get in a war with Base, but I'd respect his ability. I would not be scared to get in a war with mgl on analysis, but I respect his ability. I would not be scared to get into a war of logic with JC, but I respect his ability. I would not be scared to challenge Srul on the law, but I know his ability. I would not be scared to go after Nieporent in IP, but I've never seen him wrong. Mug-Geography; Burley-Jays; Field-History, Andy-sociology etc. etc.


You knwo what I would be afraid of?

Challenging Kevin in Leg-presses.

I don't want to hurt myself.
   231. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:28 AM (#2048048)
Chicago is the city of the dueling sausages. There are sausages of every flavor, color and nationality. And this benefits everyone involved.

Paging Meatwad, Paging Meatwad, innuendo on page 3 requiring an inappropriate comment consult, Paging Meatwad.

I need to come up with some potboiler with mass appeal to buy myself time to do other stuff.


I remember the ones BL came up with for the asian baseball blog I tried up coming up with but just sort of didnt' pick up momentum:

Blog Fu
Shaolin Slider


Some of them were really bad.
   232. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#2048051)
Deconstruction isn't your strong suit, kevin.

What is?


LEG PRESSES, duh
   233. Jeff K. Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#2048052)
Blog Fu
Shaolin Slider


Some of them were really bad.


I assume that includes those.
   234. Backlasher Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2048055)
I assume that includes those.

Oh come on, A Slow Blog to China was good.
   235. Jeff K. Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:33 AM (#2048056)
This is random, but since the death of the Dugout, I don't know where to post this.

Is it just me, or have there been a ridiculous amount of "5+ straight games with a homer" streaks this year?
   236. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:41 AM (#2048062)
Is it just me, or have there been a ridiculous amount of "5+ straight games with a homer" streaks this year?

Yes.
   237. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:42 AM (#2048063)
Oh come on, A Slow Blog to China was good.

I dont' get the reference actually.
   238. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:45 AM (#2048067)
Oh come on, A Slow Blog to China was good.

I dont' get the reference actually.


As in "Slow Boat to China." And that is pretty good. But couldn't it have something to do with ninjas? Because ninjas are totally cool, and by totally cool, I mean totally sweet... aw never mind.
   239. Jeff K. Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:48 AM (#2048068)
As in "Slow Boat to China." And that is pretty good. But couldn't it have something to do with ninjas?

Ninjas aren't typically Chinese, are they?
   240. Jimenez > Soriano Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:49 AM (#2048069)
Holy crap guys. Get a life.
   241. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:54 AM (#2048073)
Ninjas aren't typically Chinese, are they?

Most ninjas I've met are 9 year old caucasian americans.
   242. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:54 AM (#2048074)
Holy crap guys. Get a life.

Wow. One reference to Real Ultimate POWER!!!! and I get that? Tough crowd.

And yes, ninjas are usually Japanese, but I believe the blog was to be about Asian baseball, not Chinese baseball specifically. Not that I am helping at all.
   243. Jeff K. Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:58 AM (#2048075)
Most ninjas I've met are 9 year old caucasian americans.

Big fan of 3 Ninjas, are you?
   244. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:58 AM (#2048076)
Ninja's play baseball?

I do remember in Kill bill that Japanese Swordmaker dude was a baseball fan.
   245. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: June 02, 2006 at 02:39 AM (#2048102)
Most ninjas I've met are 9 year old caucasian americans.


This is more the type of nine-year-old ninjas we're talking about.
   246. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 02, 2006 at 07:43 AM (#2048145)

I do remember in Kill bill that Japanese Swordmaker dude was a baseball fan.


And Lucy Liu couldn't pronounce her own name.

How about this for a blog name:

Asians trying baseball
Let's misappropriation!
This one's for haiku
   247. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 02, 2006 at 07:47 AM (#2048146)
(Yes the first line is six syllables.)
   248. Tim Lincecum doesn't Wang Chung tonite (GGC) Posted: June 02, 2006 at 07:55 AM (#2048150)
You haven't even got a taste of All My Backlashers yet. Don't wimp out.


Hey, I had to get up early today.
   249. Tropical Storm Davis aka Quilvio "Ebola" Veras Posted: June 02, 2006 at 08:33 AM (#2048157)
But if you go to Harvard, with those connections, that's like a license to print money.

Literally
   250. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: June 02, 2006 at 09:17 AM (#2048169)
Not only does he have an MBA from CMU


But does he have a MBS from BTF?

Best Regards

John
   251. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 02, 2006 at 09:29 AM (#2048174)
Going way back before the carnage/flammage started to talk about the actual subject matter:

I had posted in #146:

BTW: I talked to a friend of mine earlier this year, who has a job with a major league team, and he confirmed the point that the "unnamed" executive made.


and both The Artist and BL asked me to clarify the reference.

I was referring to this comment by The Artist in #142:

BP's "conversation with an executive" in this year's book pointed out what the salaries are


Unless you are the GM or one of the other top-ranking front office executives, you're getting paid very little money for very long days and very little "real" responsibility.

-- MWE
   252. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:25 AM (#2048212)
Yes, that calling me fatso is brilliant.


David Wells posts here? Heck David Wells is so fat....

10. When he uses a Q-Tip it ends up convered in ambergris.

9. He gets up from his chair and enters the Guinness Book of World Records under 'Powerlifting: Squats.'

8. Any kid who falls for his 'pull my finger' gag is automatically tried as an adult.

7. Every time he lies on the beach Greenpeace volunteers try to drag him back into the water.

6. Krisy Kreme donuts opened a franchise in his kitchen.

5. His toilet paper roll can also be used at the New York Times for printing off the weekend edition.

4. The only reason people are drawn to him is because of the effects of gravity.

3. People ask him what he did between his baseball career and his acting job in "Return of the Jedi."

2. He gives kids an autograph and they reply "Thanks Mr. Forster."

1. He was facing the Florida Keys when he farted and it collided with a cold air mass from the Rocky Mountains and spawned an outbreak of tornados over the midwest.

Best Regards

John
   253. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:33 AM (#2048223)
Ya Momma's got a pegleg wit a kickstand!
   254. Jeff K. Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:34 AM (#2048224)
But does he have a MBS from BTF?

Actually, in his post over the weekend, he was trying for one.
   255. Jeff K. Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:35 AM (#2048226)
Ya Momma's got a pegleg wit a kickstand!

Oh, yeah? Yo momma's got a glass eye with a fish in it.
   256. bunyon Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:39 AM (#2048232)
Unless you are the GM or one of the other top-ranking front office executives, you're getting paid very little money for very long days and very little "real" responsibility.

That makes fits just about everything I've ever read/heard. I'd also think Law's background isn't ideal for moving up to the big chair. Somewhere above, Kevin said that Law's job with the Jays wasn't a stepping stone to ESPN. It would appear that that isn't the case. Think about all the ex-GM and manager types that move to ESPN-TV without any previous such experience. I'd say that a small time baseball writer who gets a few years of actual MLB work experience would find it pretty easy to move up in the writing world. If we're speculating, I'd say that this could have been Law's plan all along. But, like everyone else, there are so many possible reasons for making a job move and we have so little information that it is silly to speculate.
   257. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:51 AM (#2048245)
Oh, yeah? Yo momma's got a glass eye with a fish in it.


What a timeless classic of a track!

Yo momma's got a afro wit a chinstrap!
   258. bunyon Posted: June 02, 2006 at 11:12 AM (#2048266)
No, they're hiring him to write, which is, obviously, a lower profile gig. However, his mini-bio is almost certainly going to include a phrase along the lines "former executive with the Blue Jays". Readers may not know who he is, but he can write and back up his views with big league experience which will have a cache with a lot of readers.

My main point was that you said the Jays job wasn't a stepping stone to the ESPN job. Given that the latter followed the former, in Law's case it was a stepping stone. Just because you (or others) didn't foresee it doesn't mean it wasn't important.
   259. bunyon Posted: June 02, 2006 at 11:53 AM (#2048299)
Kevin, do you really not see how a few years spent in a MLB front office could be of enormous benefit in writing about MLB, especially the management end of things?
   260. VG Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:13 PM (#2048316)
I would think his previous gig with BPro would be a much more important stepping stone than the Blue Jays job, as it was a writing job.

Many publications see experience in the field as a major positive for the candidates for writing/reporting jobs. Many of them prefer to take someone with knowledge of the field who shows some writing ability but needs some work in that area rather than an experienced writer/reporter with less direct experience in the field that he/she will be assigned to write about.

Put another way: A fair number of candidates for a job such as this one probably have writing experience that is at least somewhat similar to what Law has, but far fewer can say that they also worked in an MLB front office.
   261. scotto Posted: June 02, 2006 at 12:17 PM (#2048318)
Having lived in Chicago, and having spent about two or three months of my life in Austin, I can say that Chicago's Mexican food compares favorably to that of Austin's.

I'm not sure you can get as good Oaxacan cuisine in Austin, however, as you can in Chicago. We'll probably visit Austin sometime in the next year, so I'll try to find out.
   262. Jimenez > Soriano Posted: June 02, 2006 at 02:44 PM (#2048462)
My "Get a life" comment was directed at Kevin, Backlasher, Dial, et al. Does it get any more nerdylame than getting pissy on an internet message board? Anyone, even if you're indisputably correct, looses like 60 dignity points engaging in a flame war, especially one which spans threads. Even my contempt here has lost me 15 diginity points simply through association with something so nerdylame.
   263. fra paolo Posted: June 02, 2006 at 02:56 PM (#2048474)
I would think his previous gig with BPro would be a much more important stepping stone than the Blue Jays job, as it was a writing job.

You would be wrong.

Publishers like well-known names from TV, or they like people who can be promoted as insiders. They can pay them lots of money, and mention their names to advertisers. There's loads of dopes (like yours truly) who can knock their clumsy phrases into something that makes sense, for a pittance.
   264. Tim Lincecum doesn't Wang Chung tonite (GGC) Posted: June 02, 2006 at 03:04 PM (#2048479)
That would be a tough sell with Law, though. Nobody knows who he is.


The guy generated a 300+ post thread.
   265. fra paolo Posted: June 02, 2006 at 03:07 PM (#2048480)
Nobody knows who he is

That's why putting "former spear-carrier for JP Ricciardi" will count for a lot with them.

I'm writing a book, and the publisher is desperate to get a big name to write the foreword. His name will certainly be in bigger letters on the jacket than mine, if it happens, because nobody know who I am, either.
   266. fra paolo Posted: June 02, 2006 at 03:07 PM (#2048482)
I'm in trouble now, bad grammar all over the place.
   267. fra paolo Posted: June 02, 2006 at 03:09 PM (#2048484)
"nerdylame", btw, is an excellent onomatopoeic word.
   268. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 02, 2006 at 03:15 PM (#2048487)
That would be a tough sell with Law, though. Nobody knows who he is.


First of all, it's untrue that no one knows who Keith Law is. Law's hiring was well-publicized both in Toronto and outside.

Second, you missed the second part of fra paolo's comment. Law can certainly be promoted as an insider ("former special assistant to the GM, Toronto Blue Jays" has a nice ring to it).

-- MWE
   269. Tim Lincecum doesn't Wang Chung tonite (GGC) Posted: June 02, 2006 at 04:11 PM (#2048534)
Ask your average baseball fan outside of Toronto who Keith Law is. They will give you a blank look. I doubt most baseball fans know who JP Ricciardi is. Not many baseball fans are as knowledgable as you are about such minutiae. All they care about is what happens on the field.


I'll bet that the Toronto fans know who he Ricciardi is. Ditto the Boston fans. Joe and Jerry seem to talk alot about him, cuz he's a local. I think Don and Jerry do too.
   270. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 02, 2006 at 04:17 PM (#2048539)
1. "Average baseball fans" don't read ESPN.com, and don't pony up the money for Insider.
2. The fans who "do" pony up the money for Insider certainly would know who Keith Law is.

-- MWE
   271. Shredder Posted: June 02, 2006 at 04:27 PM (#2048546)
Having lived in Chicago, and having spent about two or three months of my life in Austin, I can say that Chicago's Mexican food compares favorably to that of Austin's.


Surprising, because outside of maybe Frontera Grill, Chicago's Mexican food is absolutely pathetic compared to what you can get in Southern California.
   272. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder. Posted: June 02, 2006 at 04:43 PM (#2048556)
Surprising, because outside of maybe Frontera Grill, Chicago's Mexican food is absolutely pathetic compared to what you can get in Southern California.

Do you go to where the Mexicans eat or where the Mexicans work and the Gringos eat?
   273. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: June 02, 2006 at 04:45 PM (#2048559)
How are the Taco Bells down in SoCal anyway?
   274. Shredder Posted: June 02, 2006 at 04:54 PM (#2048569)
Do you go to where the Mexicans eat or where the Mexicans work and the Gringos eat?

I've been to places in the Mexican areas of town and have still come away less than impressed.
   275. Harold Posted: June 02, 2006 at 04:57 PM (#2048572)
# How are the Taco Bells down in SoCal anyway?

The same as in the rest of the country, I guess. I don't really know, since I never eat there. There must be at least six better Mexican places just on the way to Taco Bell from my house, and it's less than a mile.

About once a year, for some reason, I crave Taco Bell and get it, and it's usually disappointing. I liked in high school and college, though.
   276. Harold Posted: June 02, 2006 at 04:59 PM (#2048574)
They might not pony up for Insider but, if they have internet access, they certainly read ESPN. It's the "worldwide leader".

No, I think what he's saying is that average baseball fans don't spend much time reading columns online. They watch on TV, and maybe check the local paper or listen to sports radio or in some cases play fantasy (though most fantasy players are bigger-than-average fans).
   277. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: June 02, 2006 at 05:00 PM (#2048575)
Actually, it's interesting that the even bother to put Taco Bells in San Diego.

Maybe I should ask UCCF if they have Long John Silvers or Red Lobster up in Maine.
   278. TDF, situational idiot Posted: June 02, 2006 at 05:19 PM (#2048584)
There are a couple of very good Mexican restaurants in Detroit. The best ones have waiters who knew enough English for you to order (that used to be our barometer - the less English the staff knew, the better the ethnic food was likely to be).

The absolute best place (no lie, Speedy Burrito) went out of business in the early 90's when it tried to expand from 20 seat hole in the wall in Dearborn to 3 store chain. Ahh, the good old days.
   279. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 02, 2006 at 05:31 PM (#2048596)
Do you go to where the Mexicans eat or where the Mexicans work and the Gringos eat?

I've been to places in the Mexican areas of town and have still come away less than impressed.


It's the same as anywhere else. There are families who came here and needed a way to pay the bills and there are people who are great cooks.

I like the place just South of North Ave. on Western, but they've got a "For Sale" sign in the window, so...

But we might just have different tastes, I think Bayless is a great chef, but Frontera's a little overrated in my opinion.
   280. Harold Posted: June 02, 2006 at 05:37 PM (#2048599)
The absolute best place (no lie, Speedy Burrito) went out of business in the early 90's when it tried to expand from 20 seat hole in the wall in Dearborn to 3 store chain. Ahh, the good old days.

The best Mexican place in San Diego (El Indio) tried expanding into a chain, but the new locations weren't as good as the originals. After a few years, they recognized this and closed them, leaving just the main location. And it's still as great as ever.
   281. TDF, situational idiot Posted: June 02, 2006 at 05:49 PM (#2048604)
The best Mexican place in San Diego (El Indio) tried expanding into a chain, but the new locations weren't as good as the originals. After a few years, they recognized this and closed them, leaving just the main location. And it's still as great as ever.

It wasn't just the expansion that ultimately doomed them. They also moved the original into a much larger, fancier place (which had gone out of business because even though they were busy, they couldn't pay the bills).

Cost of expansion + cost of new digs for main store = didn't buy all needed insurance.

Cost of damage from broken water main + leveraged to the teeth = went out of business.
   282. scotto Posted: June 02, 2006 at 05:53 PM (#2048607)
Surprising, because outside of maybe Frontera Grill, Chicago's Mexican food is absolutely pathetic compared to what you can get in Southern California.

La Pasadita's tacos are as good as any I've had.
   283. TDF, situational idiot Posted: June 02, 2006 at 05:54 PM (#2048609)
That was terrible.

Speedy Burrito moved into a larger, fancier place that used to house a restaurant that couldn't afford the overhead.

The water damage took out Speedy Burrito (which also couldn't afford the overhead), not the original restaurant.
   284. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: June 02, 2006 at 06:05 PM (#2048613)
La Pasadita's tacos are as good as any I've had.

You ought to put a review on Burritophile (which I just discovered).

My favorite review is for Flash Taco.
   285. Harold Posted: June 02, 2006 at 06:15 PM (#2048620)
I'd never heard of Burritophile. The only review of El Indio there gave it a 4. Of course, it complains more about the yuppies that go there than it does about the food. I don't know, my family's been going there for 28 years, long before there were yuppies in that part of town. I'm not going to stop liking the food just because the neighborhood became gentrified.
   286. Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute Posted: June 02, 2006 at 06:23 PM (#2048627)
I'm not vouching for Burritophile; I was just farting around looking up reviews of La Pasadita and stumbled across it.

Oddly, the guy that reviewed the Flash Taco is the same one that reviewed El Indio.
   287. Harold Posted: June 02, 2006 at 07:38 PM (#2048675)
And he reviewed two other San Diego places, giving them both 10s. I've been to one (El Zarape) a couple times and agree it's great, and I've heard great things about the other (La Posta).

One thing is that El Indio isn't really a burrito place. Yeah, I'll often get a combo burrito there, but it's drenched in salsa and lettuce and is eaten with a fork and knife -- it's not your typical burrito.
   288. Mattbert Posted: June 02, 2006 at 08:11 PM (#2048697)
The finest burritos I've ever eaten are made at a little restaurant/laundromat on the outskirts of El Paso near the drive-in porn theater. It's a culinary rainbow of delicious burrito varieties, including the best damn colorado around, and they all run about 2 bucks. Except for the Baby Burrito, so named not because it is small but because it is roughly the size of a newborn human being.

Incidentally, I took yo mama to that drive-in porn theater...
and she didn't have to pay
because we dressed her up to look just like a Chevrolet.
   289. scotto Posted: June 02, 2006 at 08:59 PM (#2048769)
The best burrito I ever had was from the late, great, Tacos Garcia. It was next to Berlin, under the El tracks at Belmont in the mid-80's, when Chicago's Lakeview neighborhood was still a bit edgy. Burritos the size of Chihuahuas was the gist, with no filler like rice. Skirt steak that was marinated and grilled to perfection, refried beans, lettuce, tomato, guacamole, sour cream, onions, and a hot sauce to die for. Perfectly wrapped, too.

I miss that place.
   290. scotto Posted: June 02, 2006 at 09:02 PM (#2048775)
The Tribune's top Chicago taco list. Registration required.
   291. scotto Posted: June 02, 2006 at 09:02 PM (#2048778)
Oh yes, I forgot to mention the cheese.
   292. Backlasher Posted: June 02, 2006 at 09:31 PM (#2048832)
Even my contempt here has lost me 15 diginity points

I wouldn't worry too much about it Hoss. You can't lose what you ain't got.
   293. JC in DC Posted: June 02, 2006 at 09:46 PM (#2048856)
"Tortillas" in Atlanta, on Ponce de Leon, served good SF style burritos.
   294. Backlasher Posted: June 02, 2006 at 09:55 PM (#2048879)
"Tortillas" in Atlanta, on Ponce de Leon, served good SF style burritos.

I've been there. I'm not much into the SF style.

The best enchilidas with mole sauce that I have had is in Austin at Manuels.
   295. JC in DC Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:03 PM (#2048902)
Yes, but BL, as my daughter would say, they were "ginormous!"

And the best mole I've had was outside Tijuana.
   296. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:33 PM (#2048959)
The best Mexican food I ever had was in Kumamoto, JApan. The place used the fresh seafood available in the area to make these variety plates of super-light, diversly flavorful tostadas.
   297. Mattbert Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:35 PM (#2048962)
as my daughter would say, they were "ginormous!"
My wife is quite fond of that expression herself, and I'm going to hazard a guess that she's older than your daughter.

There's a relatively upscale Mexican joint here in Seattle that does a very nice mole with their enchiladas del pollo. Goes great with their bistec dish, too.
   298. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 02, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#2048982)
as my daughter would say, they were "ginormous!"

My wife is quite fond of that expression herself, and I'm going to hazard a guess that she's older than your daughter.


That word seems to be everywhere now. Worse, some people seem to think it's a real word.
   299. Daryn Posted: June 02, 2006 at 11:03 PM (#2048993)
Worse, some people seem to think it's a real word.

It will be soon -- the language is what we make it.
   300. Insert clever/punny handle here (oi!) Posted: June 02, 2006 at 11:24 PM (#2049020)
Maybe I should ask UCCF if they have Long John Silvers or Red Lobster up in Maine.

There is definitely at least one Red Lobster in Savannah GA, for some reason. And an Olive Garden in Pittsburgh, I guess in case you're looking for inauthentic Italian-style food.
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