He still would of been named.

Would of, should of and could of are way above unnecessary apostrophes on my list of annoyances.

Your easily annoyed, then.

He should have just told this story to the Mitchell people and he probably wouldn't have been named.

No, of course not. But the spontaneity of the answer would give us a sense that Clemens is telling the truth. The way it came out, days after the report, gives us a sense that they worked on making up a story.

The fact that Clemens wears the number 22 gives you guys "a sense" that they worked on making up a story.

“Swear?” asks Wallace

(I happen to think he's a lying jade),

What he injected into Roger Clemens wasn't Lidocaine or B-12. It was testosterone."

If it were B-12, why wait as long as he waited to tell the world? He had to know that the world was forming opinions.

What makes you think the lidocaine was administered to his butt?

It's so funny to see the hoops people will jump through to exonerate someone that they like. Why not just come out and say "I really like Clemens so I'm deciding to believe him over the other guy?" Why go through phony reason after phony reason for saying he's innocent?

Why didn't Mitchell mention that Clemens said he took B-12 shots? Was it unclear that his saying so was related to McNamee?

It's so funny to see the hoops people will jump through to exonerate someone that they like. Why not just come out and say "I really like Clemens so I'm deciding to believe him over the other guy?" Why go through phony reason after phony reason for saying he's innocent?

What makes you think the lidocaine was administered to his butt?

Because that's where McNamee said he injected Clemens.

If Clemens is not guilty, he should teach a course: how to appear guilty to everyone with common sense when you are in fact innocent.

It's so funny to see the hoops people will jump through to exonerate someone that they like. Why not just come out and say "I really like Clemens so I'm deciding to believe him over the other guy?" Why go through phony reason after phony reason for saying he's innocent?

What hoops? What phony reason? I don't "really like" Clemens. For that matter, I haven't "exonerated" him. But I think that without any evidence, a person deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Lidocaine's a temporary local anesthetic. Why inject it in your butt? Unless that part of your butt is sore. Seriously. I suppose maybe it could help with sciatica pain but I never heard of Clemens suffering from that. Ignoring the obvious old-school Primer Mike Piazza post, why would anyone take a shot of Lidocaine in the butt?

It's so funny to see the hoops people will jump through to exonerate someone that they like. Why not just come out and say "I really like Clemens so I'm deciding to believe him over the other guy?" Why go through phony reason after phony reason for saying he's innocent?

It's so funny to see the hoops people will jump through to exonerate someone that they like. Why not just come out and say "I really like Clemens so I'm deciding to believe him over the other guy?" Why go through phony reason after phony reason for saying he's innocent?

I'd love to know who you're referring to. The only person I've seen on this site come close to saying he's innocent is baseball chick.

I haven't the foggiest clue how people are getting to 99% certainty.

Come on, Ray. The fact that he didn't deny it proves he's guilty.
Er, the fact that he denied it through his lawyer rather than personally proves he's guilty.
Er, the fact that he denied it personally rather than to a reporter proves he's guilty.
Er, the fact that he denied it to a reporter he picked rather than to a bunch of reporters proves he's guilty.

Is any person out there willing to say "I, [name], believe Roger Clemens when he says he never used steroids and only took Lidocaine and B-12 injections"?

In the context of the locker room (and assuming Canseco is right), I find Clemens' marital fidelity more admirable than any player who chose not to use steroids.

More seriously, although Pettitte's confession doesn't necessarily force a conclusion that McNamee was telling the truth about the other three, it certainly doesn't hurt his overall credibility, as even David admits. We can argue about whether that makes it 2% certain or 99% certain that Clemens juiced, but that's little more than our individual hunches speaking. And in this case, I certainly hope that your hunch is correct and that I'll be proved a gullible chump for believing McNamee.

The chance that Clemens is lying here is 100%.

"I just think it’s incredibly dangerous to sit out there and just throw names out there,” Clemens said, before the Astros lost to the Braves, 3-1, in Atlanta to end their season. “I haven’t seen it, nor do I need to see it.”

“I’ve been tested plenty of times,” Clemens said. “My physicals I’ve taken, they have taken my blood work, I have passed every test. Again, I just find it amazing that you can throw anybody out there.”

“I’ll continue to use Mac to train me,” Clemens said. “He’s one of a kind.”

Tomorrow they are going to accuse us of robbing a bank,” Clemens said. “Bottom line is, if it’s not in my frappacino, I’m all right.”

"''I'm going to find anything I can to get into my body that is healthy, that will make me stronger, so I feel like I'm going to be able to stay up with 20-year-olds. You rely on physicians and people to tell you what's shaking in that world.''

"[Steroids] was so open, the trainers would jokingly call the steroid injections "B12 shots," and soon the players had picked up on that little code name, too. You'd hear them saying it out loud in front of each other: "I need to go in and get a B12 shot," a player would say, and everyone would laugh. (Of course, that was the kind of joke you really only made around other steroid users, because obviously they were in the same boat as you. What were they going to do, tell on you? Not hardly.)

It was the pitchers that kept the "B12" joke going. For example, I've never seen Roger Clemens do steroids, and he never told me that he did. But we've talked about what steroids could do for you, in which combinations, and I've heard him use the phrase "B12 shot" with respect to others.

A lot of pitchers did steroids to keep up with hitters. If everyone else was getting stronger and faster, then you wanted to get stronger and faster, too. If you were a pitcher, and the hitters were all getting stronger, that made your job that much more difficult. Roger used to talk about that a lot.

"You hitters are so darn strong from steroids," he'd say.

"Yeah, but you pitchers are taking it, too. You're just taking different types," I'd respond.

And sometimes Roger would vent his frustration over the hits even the lesser players were starting to get off good pitchers. "Damn, that little guy hit it odd the end of the bat and almost drove it to the wall," he would say. He would complain about guys who were hitting fifty homers when they had no business hitting thirty. It was becoming more difficult for pitchers all the time, he would complain.

I can't give chapter and verse on Roger's training regimen. But I'll tell you what I was thinking at the time:

One of the classic signs of steroid use is when a player's basic performance actually improves later in his career. One of the benefits of steroids is that they're especially helpful in countering the effects of aging. So in Roger's case, around the time that he was leaving Boston-and Dan Duquette, the general manager there, was saying he was "past his prime"-Roger decided to make some changes. He started working out harder. And whatever else he may have been doing to get stronger, he saw results. His fastball improved by a few miles per hour. He was a great pitcher long before then; it wasn't his late-career surge that made him great. But he certainly stayed great far longer than most athletes could expect. There's no question about that.

"I could care less"''I've talked to some friends of his,'' Clemens said. ''And I've teased them that when you're under house arrest and have ankle bracelets on, you have a lot of time to write a book.''

One of the classic signs of steroid use is when a player's basic performance actually improves later in his career. One of the benefits of steroids is that they're especially helpful in countering the effects of aging.

I did not provide Brian McNamee with any drugs to inject into my body.

What you have linked is Clemen's agent saying things allegedly told to him by Roger. For all those people typing "hearsay", you know have a more operable example of it.

Which is it Roger? Did you have to backtrack when McNamee threatened to sue?

Then where did the B12 and lidocaine come from Roger?

Then where did the B12 and lidocaine come from Roger?

According to CBS, when Wallace asked Clemens if McNamee had injected him with any drugs, Clemens responded: "Lidocaine and B-12. It's for my joints, and B-12 I still take today."

Which is it Roger? Did you have to backtrack when McNamee threatened to sue?

Especially in the offseason. Its also doubly important to get it in the ass.

Just to be safe, you need to get that lidocaine in the ass too.

Where are you getting the location of the injections from? I haven't seen Clemens comment on that.

I still didn't hear Clemens say it. His agent said he used it.

Also, it also appears the timeline is wrong as being asserted by Darren. The statment by Hendricks appears to have occurred after "Juiced" and was to counter Canseco's statements about "B12" being code. Specifically, Hendricks was saying that Roger does take B12, with an implication that all the other steroid talk with Canseco was just Roger trying to be cool.

So you think that McNamee was lying about where the injections were given too?

Where are you getting the location of the injections from? I haven't seen Clemens comment on that.

And you don't find that just a little weird? Because I sure do. To the best of knowledge, normal adults typically don't receive injections in their gluteus maximus. I've received as many as ten vaccinations in one day, and strangely enough not a single one of them was in my rear end. If the nurse had publicly claimed that it was, I would deny it out of sheer embarrassment.

(b) A statement allegedly made years before

There is some truth in that report. The slow crawl of information makes very little sense. It would seem prudent for Clemens to make a statement immediately afterwards that "I did not use HGH, and the only injections ever given to me by McNamee where for B12, which I have used for ___ years."

Instead we get Rusty telling us that people should "get a good lawyer." Now, Rusty is saying it was his idea to have this slow crawl of information. Maybe Roger needs "to get a good PR person"

Hgh is administered in the belly.

They don't think you would get B12 injections in the ass, unless you just liked getting shots in the ass.

And then after his press conference on Monday, you can claim you don't believe him because he wore the wrong color shirt.

They don't think you would get B12 injections in the ass, unless you just liked getting shots in the ass.

It's a very large muscle and can absorb more volume and take a longer needle than smaller muscles like the deltoid or tricep.

Maybe because he didn't announce that McNamee injected him with B12 at any time. Hell, I would have believed any injections he had would have been from his doctor or the team trainers, not his unlicensed strength coach.

"I did not provide Brian McNamee with any drugs to inject into my body." seems like an awful clever parsing designed to imply he didn't take injections from McNamee.

No, the report indicates that Clemens didn't like the "Belly Button Shot" If he is getting stuck in the belly like a pig, I could see him calling it a Belly Button Shot. Those are the Rocket's words.

And what if he did, do you want to assert that McNamee hasn't given hGH shots before?

He denied the specific allegation in the Mitchell Report -- that he provided McNamee steroids to inject into him -- AND the general allegation that he took steroids.

No, they're McNamee's words.

As I said before, people really need to get a clue that he's denying using PEDs. He and his attorneys have said it multiple times in multiple ways, and, yet, people don't seem capable of understanding that he's denying it. He could be lying -- but it should be obvious at this point that he's denying it.