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Fine with me.............
The Jays are going to have one hell of a defensive team. Note to self: bid higher on Jays pitchers.
well, speaking strictly as an astros fan, i'm glad to see rolen's bat and glove GONE.
i'm actually pretty surprised they decided to keep larussa after throwing jocketty out on his ear and i'm surprised larussa wanted to stay.
Does anyone get more?
At this point in their respective careers, Pujols is possibly a better third baseman than Glaus. And Glaus' health could probably benefit more than Pujols by being able to play a more stationary position and not have to make throws.
While Pujols is one of the best defensive 1B in the game, it only made sense to play him there while they had a great defender at third. Glaus could probably be an above-average 1B and benefit from playing a position where there was less wear-and-tear.
It's pretty clear the Cardinal plan needs, demands, that Pujols play 155 games.
I agree, but what's the point? Just to get Rolen out of St. Louis? I don't get it from Toronto's point of view.
Um, to get a better offensive player who's a couple of wins better on defense. Yes, Rolen sucked last year, but if the surgery to restore his shoulder's range of motion wasn't successful then the Blue Jays simply cancel the trade.
If Rolen can rebound to even being an average hitter, then I think he's a clearly better player than Glaus. And if he can somehow bounce back to his 2006 level, then the gap widens considerably.
I don't pretend to know, but can a true determination of the state of Rolen's shoulder be made in a doctor's office? Or can such a thing only truly be determined on the playing field? And from the Cardinals' perspective, can they make a call on the state of Glaus' heel without actually seeing him play?
As a layperson, I can't help but feel that there will be a lot of "well, you seem healthy enough".
Four million bucks a year buys a lot of good wine.
To me it's Glaus' bat versus Rolen's glove versus the extra money. And while Rolen's bat looks like it could improve if his health does, Glaus had a decent year with the glove last year and he too could be better with the glove with better health.
I don't know, Rolen could wind up being the better player (about 50/50 in my mind), but as a slam dunk? No way.
I don't pretend to know, but can a true determination of the state of Rolen's shoulder be made in a doctor's office? Or can such a thing only truly be determined on the playing field? And from the Cardinals' perspective, can they make a call on the state of Glaus' heel without actually seeing him play?
As a layperson, I can't help but feel that there will be a lot of "well, you seem healthy enough".
Hopefully its not the same docs that deemed Mike Sirotka healthy. Hi everybody!
Glaus 766 r, 1124 h, 240 2B, 277 HR, 778 RBI, 701 BB, 1165 K, 254/358/500
Comp 778 r, 1104 h, 208 2B, 283 HR, 787 RBI, 778 BB, 1077 K, 259/375/528
That comp is Mike Schmidt. Incredibly close in raw numbers. Even the doubles are close if you adjust for Schmidt's speed (i.e. he has 30 more triples which would erase the doubles gap).
Of course, Glaus has an OPS+ of 121, Schmidt of 144. About half of that difference is era (and possibly parks).
Projecting these guys forward as hitters, even without the injuries, would be an interesting sabermetric exercise. Rolen's the better career hitter but hasn't been as good lately. Glaus is two years younger but has "old man skills" (at least as a hitter).
Glaus does have a reasonable shot at 500 HR still.
Twice!
Supposedly he bought testosterone in 2003-2004 when he was dead.
chick--his bat has been gone for a while now, but the glove is still intact. i'll miss that.
Hey Taguchi
I resemble that remark. Check out my 2006 season. 369 OBA, 518 SLG, with 48 doubles tossed in. And I'm healthy now!
All the best, Scott
My defensive numbers don't have Santo at quite Rolen's level of defense, but Rolen is clearly ahead of guys like Buddy Bell or Graig Nettles as a hitter, though not in the Schmidt/Brett/Larry Jones class.
love,
sotags99
Glaus 766 r, 1124 h, 240 2B, 277 HR, 778 RBI, 701 BB, 1165 K, 254/358/500
Comp 778 r, 1104 h, 208 2B, 283 HR, 787 RBI, 778 BB, 1077 K, 259/375/528
That comp is Mike Schmidt. Incredibly close in raw numbers. Even the doubles are close if you adjust for Schmidt's speed (i.e. he has 30 more triples which would erase the doubles gap).
Of course, Glaus has an OPS+ of 121, Schmidt of 144. About half of that difference is era (and possibly parks).
Hey Walt
How is an .858 OPS like a .903 OPS. And how is 44% above average like 21% above average. One is like all-right, the other is like all-time awesome. By my figurin I would be like more than twice as good. And hey, I could catch the ball and didn't limp around on one heel.
And Walt. Isn't OPS+ adjusted for both park and era. So 44 and 21 are what they are.
Cheers....Mike
Nobody can accurately handicap this trade as it is because, as far as I can tell, there is absolutely no data to hint at the prognosis of Rolen's surgery. Post-surgical frozen shoulder is an avoidable condition, and I am still shocked that the follow-up was bungled so badly. The surgical prognosis in general is pretty good, but that is for returning to general functional activities, not returning to high-level athletic play.
In short, I don't know what the odds are that Rolen's shoulder remains problematic enough that Glaus's bat outweighs Rolen's glove. I do know that in whatever percent of the time that is, the odds are high that the Blue Jays' medical staff puts an end to this trade.
No effin' way. I seriously doubt he gets to 400.
That said, Glaus might be the better bet going forward, as he is a bit younger, but really they are pretty even. Neither is exactly a paragon of health. This seems like one of those challenge trades where the players are very similar (Rolen is 7th on Glaus' age 30 list)-don't really see the point frankly. Both teams will likely get 2-3 more decent years out of each if they're lucky.
The chances of this are what, one percent?
Glaus spent the year dead for tax purposes.
Rolen and feisty managers don't get along.
Rolen and feisty managers don't get along.
Well at least now he might get a chance to vent his frustrations by challenging his manager to a fistfight.
If they sign one of the other Molinas, then I hope they have a foot race of some sort.
Otherwise, you are one hoopy frood, Kyle S.
Busch Stadium may host Disaster Area in 2008.
IF the Cardinals can get Glaus for Rolen instead of giving him away, that's a big plus.
Grich this is a joke, right? Don't toy with me now. Kevin Appier is one of my all time favorites.
No, yes, and no, I believe.*
An office exam can give a lot of evidence toward whether a body is structurally sound, and whether there is scar tissue that might hinder motion, and so on. An exam is less successful at predicting the rate of reinjury, or whether a patient can perform exactly as before, or what kind of pain the patient may suffer in future, and so on. A lot, too, depends on whether the patient is being honest about symptoms. If a patient is determined to get back to work (or get the hell out of St. Looie) he may lie about the pain or what he can do on a regular basis in order to 'pass' the exam. There's no way to be sure without a seeing Rolen on the diamond. You'd want to see fifty throws across the diamond during a workout, then see him do it again the next day, to really know.
The Mets watched Mo Vaughan in a batting cage for all of one afternoon and decided that little show made him worth getting. [shudders, eyes glaze over, falls off chair]
Glaus does have a reasonable shot at 500 HR still.
*I'm not a doctor, but I do play one on the 'net!
Damned buttons. That was Walt's opinion from post 23, not mine.
Walt--that seems very, very optimistic. If you throw out 2003 and 2004 (which is generous to Glaus) and do a weighted 1-2-3 on his 2005-2007 seasons, he averages around 29 HR a year. He has to do that through his age 38 season to get to 500 HR. Seems to me like a small, not a reasonable, chance.
I guess the Cardinals see the trade as a Glaus Half Full situation.
I thought you were just good for bizarre go Dbacks/suck it Mets posts, levski.
Not sure I'm good at those, however. I am good at being the loudest Dbacks fan in the universe, and in fact the loudest fan of any kind, anywhere.
Btw, I usually generate my "Omar sucks!" rants here...
See, see the wright sky
Marvel at its big wagner depths.
Tell me, el duque do you
Wonder why the randolph ignores you?
Why its foobly stare
makes you feel shea.
I can tell you, it is
Worried by your delgado facial growth
That looks like
A milledge.
What's more, it knows
Your loduca potting shed
Smells of mets fan.
Everything under the big wright sky
Asks why, why do you even bother?
You only charm omar
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