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Trim Papi
Pedroia
Youkilis
V-Mart
Ellsbury
Drew
fill in the blank LF-SS
Beckett, Lester, Dice-K, Buchholz, Wake/Bedard/whoever...etc..
That's still a very nice *possible* team
A lot will depend on whether the Yanks get old soon, who they get...etc...and whether the Rays can pull it back together.
Personally I think the Sox will miss 2cnd place by a couple of games in 2010.
The Red Sox should never have to do this deliberately. They have the resources to constantly reload on the fly, just like the Yankees.
The only reason to do this is if ownership won't permit a higher payroll b/c they prefer the profits to winning more games.
No, no they shouldn't. Seattle is a large market team, and Minnesota just extorted a new stadium and should be rolling in dough.
People wouldn't have a chance to ##### about the Yankees signing free agents if the other teams did the right thing and reinvested some of their substantial profits in locking up their stars.
As opposed to the Yankees, who can spend whatever they want and still make a profit? Why should owners be expected to run their team as a non-profit organizations?
1 Youkilis 120 Martinez 40
2 Pedroia 160
S Lowrie 80 ??? 80
3 Lowell 120 Youkilis 40
L Hermida 160
C Ellsbury 160
R Drew 120 ??? 40
D Ortiz 120 Lowell 40
That's the plan right now. Of course that's a good team, but is it the best team within grasp and reason? Hardly.
SP Beckett
SP Lester
SP Matsuzaka
SP Buchholz
SP Wakefield
SP ???
Man, if they add Smoltz and Penny they'd have a ton of depth. A ton!
Do you really think the Red Sox can't spend up to at least the luxury tax thresh-hold (~170M) and still make money?
Forbes has them at $269M in 2008, plus you have to figure in tens of millions they hide through NESN.
this sentence confuses me. Even if they will be ready to play in the bigs, more likely than not it will be before their prime. Does the 2012 team in any way project to be better than the 2010 one?
In other words, all the way back to Derek Jeter's teen years. And what do you know, in that time Tony Fernandez did indeed get old.
Wrong. Yankees players never suffer the supposed ill effects of aging.
So wtf happened to Bernie then?
He was invulnerable, except that Thetis held him by the knee when she dipped him in the holy fire and it was thus that he was undone in 2003.
Jeter and Posada, sure, but at this point I am convinced that Mariano is a robot or at least a cyborg of some sort.
EDIT: beaten to the punch by Biff.
Individual players as a whole see their performance decline gradually as they age, and when you average that out to an entire lineup, it should appear even more gradual. Without even accounting for the Yankees unlimited resources to reload with younger free agents and trades for players other teams can't afford, it’s a bit of a pipe dream to hope the lineup falls off a cliff.
However, it does seem likely that the Yanks offense will take a step back in 2010, given how nearly the entire lineup performed above career averages. in 2009.
You're correct about the rest, but I would think that Hermida is only a backup plan if they don't sign either Bay or Holliday.
Still, even with Hermida in LF, this is a playoff contender, with loss of Bay balanced out by a (knock on wood) good year from Dice-K and
upgrading from Varitek to Victor Martinez. Don't forget that a bunch of things went wrong for the Red Sox in 2009 - Matsuzaka and Papi stopped performing, all the shortstops sucked, and the team still won 95 games.
True. I'd expect somewhat worse offense and somewhat better pitching.
You are correct, hence the "is it the best team within grasp and reason? Hardly."
I love what the Sox are doing, btw. What sinks most teams' seasons is a lack of depth when a star gets injured or someone falls off a cliff productively. The Red Sox are so much fun to play "what will they do in the offseason?!" with precisely because you feel like all options are on the table. I mean, look at that Martinez/Lowell/Youkilis C/1B/3B/DH platoon they've got in the works. That's cool, man.
Flexibility is huge, big, key, mammoth, and Theo knows it. Guys like DeRosa are worth way more than their 105 OPS+ would suggest. Same with Mark Teahen, SNAPPER(!!1!~1!).
Yeah. I don't buy the Forbes figures either. I'm sure the actual revenues are like 10-20% higher, especially in the case of teams that own their own cable distribution.
But it's also true the costs involved in running a baseball team (and being part owner of a cable network) go beyond the 40 man roster. There's other employees to pay, of course. Building maintenance. Real Estate taxes. I haven't got a clue how much more cash that entails.
And of course some of the revenue you are citing the Red Sox must share with other teams.
I honestly haven't got a clue how high they could go in payroll without operating at a loss. The people who get involved in owning sports franchises -- especially one like the Boston Red Sox -- usually want to win. But in my experience rich people also tend to be rich (partly) because they looooooooove money, perhaps even more than they like winning.
L Hermida 160
C Ellsbury 160
R Drew 120 ??? 40
D Ortiz 120 Lowell 40
I'll take the under on Lowell playing 160 games. And more than likely on anybody else not named Cal.
This is close but you left out one person who will play quite a bit too, IMHO: Kotchman.
Here's how I see a very interesting shuffle of players breaking down:
C Martinez 120 Varitek 42
1 Youkilis 40 Kotchman 92 Martinez 30
3 Lowell 52 Youkilis 110
D Ortiz 122 Lowell 40
Basically, Tek only faces lefties and Kotchman and Ortiz only face righties. Lowell or Kotchman's 92 games a piece may vary depending on whether they decide Lowell can field or Kotchman can hit. Basically, it's a classic Red Sox cluster**** of depth.
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