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Wednesday, July 01, 2009

Rosenthal: Source: D-backs ‘can’t conceive’ of Haren trade

Not even an immaculate conception?

As the Angels recently discovered, the D-backs do not intend to trade Haren, who leads the National League in ERA.

“I almost can’t conceive of a package that would motivate us to move him,” one Diamondbacks official said.

The D-backs, viewing Haren as a critical part of their future, declined to engage in serious discussions with the Angels, who could have used their surplus of catchers and middle infielders to put together a blockbuster offer.

The talks could accelerate if the Angels overwhelmed the Diamondbacks with the right combination of players, one source said. But such a deal, for now, appears to be a longshot.

“Surplus of catchers and middle infielders?” Ken, put down the pipe! I’m sure the Dbacks can’t wait to jump on an offer of, say, Jeff Mathis, Sean Rodriguez and Howie Kendrick. Their combined OPS+ doesn’t even add up to Haren’s ERA+ this year…

The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: July 01, 2009 at 12:17 AM | 17 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: July 01, 2009 at 02:53 AM (#3238748)
OK, seriously. What would be considered a "fair" offer for Haren?
   2. philly Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:00 AM (#3238753)
Picking up Eric Byrnes contract?
   3. Tripon Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:05 AM (#3238754)
3 or 4 top prospects.
   4. konaforever Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:07 AM (#3238755)
Inconceivable!
   5. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:08 AM (#3238757)
2: Byrnes and Haren for Julio Lugo?
   6. The Artist Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:26 AM (#3238764)
Hmm - Brandon Wood, Joe Saunders, Hank Conger, and Sean O'Sullivan/Jordan Walden? I don't think the Angels have enough prospects to make this deal.
   7. Argu!!!! SATAN!!!! (Sessile Fielder) Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:29 AM (#3238765)
On the front page, the title is abbreviated as "D-backs 'can't conceive'"--I thought that was a pretty apt summary of their season.
   8. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:35 AM (#3238766)
On the front page, the title is abbreviated as "D-backs 'can't conceive'"--I thought that was a pretty apt summary of their season.

Manny can hook them up with some fertility drugs.
   9. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:36 AM (#3238767)
7: Exactly. Especially if they ask Qualls or Pena to go in and "close the deal"...
   10. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:36 AM (#3238768)
Manny can hook them up with some fertility drugs.
Meh. Just wait until he gets back to LA and knocks up Juan Pierre
   11. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:41 AM (#3238769)
6: Problem is, Dbacks are set at C, SS and 3B for a while... and they really don't need 3 weak hitting 2bmen

The Angels in some ways suffer from a problem similar to the one the Dbacks have/had: too many minors league teams play in ridiculous offensive environments that severely overrate their hitters. You look at the Angels farm system, and guys who were supposed to be stars are either stuck in AAA (Wood, Kendrick, Rodriguez) or were traded (Kotchman, Callaspo) or are sucking in the majors (Mathis). Having all that depth of marginal prospects doesn't do much for you when they are getting long in the tooth in AAA and losing trade value by the day. The fact that the Angels are playing marginal hitters like Aybar and Izturis over Wood and Kendrick makes you really wonder about those two latter day saints...
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: July 01, 2009 at 03:55 AM (#3238772)
OK, seriously. What would be considered a "fair" offer for Haren?

Mulder and you throw in a reliever and a prospect.
   13. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: July 01, 2009 at 04:49 AM (#3238782)
Albert Pujols.
   14. ValueArb Posted: July 01, 2009 at 05:06 AM (#3238786)
Haren doesn't know how to pich to the score, and isn't a winner. Without a recent hot streak he is still below .500. There are many starters more valuable than haren.
   15. AROM Posted: July 01, 2009 at 11:15 AM (#3238810)
Another generalization of failed Angel prospects which fails to account for the ones who do make it - Napoli, Morales. Even Kendrick was a contributor to a pair of division winners before he got screwed up. As for Wood, the Angels prefer him in AAA for now but he's made a lot of progress on his strikeout rate.
   16. Santanaland Diaries Posted: July 01, 2009 at 12:00 PM (#3238835)
Napoli I'll give you, but I think it's still early to call Morales "one who made it." He looks like he will, but as an OF/1B/DH I'd like to see him get his career OPS+ a little over 100 before we say he's been a success story.
   17. AROM Posted: July 01, 2009 at 12:26 PM (#3238851)
True, way too early in his career. But by that standard, we can't call most of the others busts either. Some of them are bound to go on to good MLB careers. We just don't know who.
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