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Carlos Guillen
They're not, they're on the same level. The order didn't matter. I think the Red Sox are the clear best team and the next tier is clearly the 3 I listed and then the 5th team is the Tigers who would really be the best team in the NL.
At $19 million over the next three years? I would imagine anyone who wants to take him off the Tigers hands could get him for next to nothing.
Carlos Guillen
Wouldn't it make more sense to play Guillen at 3B and Cabrera at 1B?
And scrap slot recommendations and draft compensation. If you want to set up a $ figure as a hard number for a slot, set it up. Or all the rich teams will overpay for a bunch of prospects, luck in with a couple and trade them for any superstars that slipped through their fingers. This trade is just disgusting to me.
And scrap slot recommendations and draft compensation. If you want to set up a $ figure as a hard number for a slot, set it up. Or all the rich teams will overpay for a bunch of prospects, luck in with a couple and trade them for any superstars that slipped through their fingers. This trade is just disgusting to me.
The player's association will never let a salary floor happen.
As you might be able to tell, I am an Inge fan. Money is no object to me, he plays solid defense and has good pop.
It would happen even if you set a salary floor - guys like Cabrera will get dealt, and Loria/Samson would keep up with the salary floor by picking up scrap-heap veterans on one- and two-year deals.
They very well may have been rushed (Maybin clearly was), but I'd be surprised if DD didn't read at least something into it.
Red Sox
Yankees-Angels-Tigers-Indians
Big Ass Gap
P.S.: There is no way in hell the Twins have a shot at the playoffs. They have to deal Santana, don't they?
I have a tendency to forget about him, because he's still a SS in my brain.
Okay, 3B/LF it is. Ick.
It would happen even if you set a salary floor - guys like Cabrera will get dealt, and Loria/Samson would keep up with the salary floor by picking up scrap-heap veterans on one- and two-year deals
Thats still better than running a bunch of undercooked 20 yr olds out there, while you pocket all the money. They will have to sign some good players atleast!
The player's association will never let a salary floor happen.
Curious. Why? Its probably going to get more vets jobs.
EDIT : And trades which don't show a viable plan of how you making the salary floor, and show a viable plan should be disallowed.
They really don't. At least not this far out. (Not that the other divisions aren't legit, but they really do seem pre-occupied with each other.)
I suspect the Red Sox and Yankees have already gone further than they'd go for Santana if it wasn't for strong possibility that the other one would get him if they fail to. They'd be happy to "lose" Santana to the Angels I suspect.
The package of prospects includes catcher Mike Rabelo, RHP Burke Badenhop, RHP Eulogio de la Cruz and RHP Dallas Trahern from the organization.
The lawyers can probably answer this, I didn't really understand why, but this is pretty much the limit of what I understood from the MLB lawyers.
I didn't really think of the Tigers as a rich team, but it does look like their payroll could top $110 million next year. Maybe a team willing to spend their money is a better description. Whatever the categorizaion, congrats to Tigers fans. You earned it through those dark years. Plus, since my brother lives in Lansing, it looks like I can catch a star-studded team when I visit.
Is it me, or is that a better group of prospects than the package everyone thinks the Red Sox are going to trade for one year of Johan Santana?
How is Lester better than Miller? He has more major league experience, I guess. How is Ellsbury better than Maybin? He isn't, even considering his good start, when you consider that he's three and a half years older.
Sometimes when you believe something to be true that everyone else thinks is lunacy, you might be Galileo and history will look back on you as a genius..... but then again, you might be David Koresh or something.
Age 21: .294/.366/.512
Age 22: .323/.385/.561
Age 23: .339/.430/.568
Age 24: .320/.401/.565
All this in a severe pitchers' park with a gigantic gap in left-center.
This is literally a Hall-of-Fame caliber hitter. So maybe he stinks at 3rd - you stick him in left or at 1st or he winds up as a DH. Do you think the Indians or Red Sox look back with regret on employing Manny Ramirez all these years?
Maybe he's overrated because of his defense, sure, but fighting against a common wisdom by swinging that pendulum so far to the other extreme (calling him "the most overrated") makes you lose credibility. Do you really have to resort to an absurd absolute? Can't you just go with "guys, I think Cabrera is a little overrated because you aren't factoring in defense enough"? People would take you more seriously.
Vaux already jumping in with the reverse jinx!
He's a hall of fame level hitter, and an awful defender. In combination, that makes for a good player (unless, as I said, you have a DH spot open), who is being treated as if he's a superstar. He's not.
I cannot think of a more overrated player in baseball. If I lose credibility for saying what I think to be the truth, then so be it, but I don't think I'm at an "absurd absolute" here.
Take it easy, Champ. Why don't you sit this next one out, stop talking for a while.
I fail to see how Maybin and Miller top the Angel offers - The Angels would have included at least one major league ready starter plus Howie Kendrick. I see Kendrick as better than Brandon Wood, since he's already hit in the majors and doesn't have the contact issues. Maybin has the some issues as Wood (29% K rate in the minors, 27% for Wood). If everyone is holding that against Wood as a prospect, then they must do the same for Maybin. He might show vast improvement, but he also might wind up another Ruben Rivera.
The idea would have been to move Uggla to 3rd. Plus, the Angels could have thrown in Willits for the OF.
Pass.
Enough of Loria.
I agree with lots of these comments.
AROM is right, I don't see how this is better than what the Angels offered.
Bibigon is at least half right. If you ignore defense you are overating Cabrera. I still think this is a good trade for the Tigers but it's a factor that should be considered.
Vaux must have emotional scars.
If you're a Tigers fan I think you have to love this deal. They are immediately a much better team and all the costs are down the road. That's a good thing because it means that the benefits are concentrated in a single season.
That being said it's not a perfect deal. While I'd bet on a rebound from Willis part of the reason was to get him away from the worst left side of the defense in the history of time. In this case he brought a 1/3 of that awful defense with him.
The big meaning of this deal is that the AL is loaded with stacked teams and the NL doesn't have a single one.
Best alignment is probably to have Guillen play 3rd and Cabrera 1st, but I doubt they'll actually do that.
Best 3 Orioles for:
Wood, Kendrick, Mathis, one of (Willits, Rivera) and two of (Adenhart, Santana, Saunders).
If Emleigh or anyone else that would know is reading this, does a skinnier Cabrera have the tools to be an average 3B?
Manny Ramirez?
The evidence continues to be that the Angels simply don't trade their chips, period....be they blue, red, white, or mauve.
When I was but a wee lad, Jim Leyland was using Bobby Bonilla as his everyday third baseman. I don't think there are enough words in the English language for you to convince me that Cabrera is a worse defensive third baseman than Bobby Bonilla was.
Also, having quality 4th and 5th outfielders seems like a good thing when you have three old guys and a fat guy manning 1B/LF/RF/DH. None of the Guillen/Ordonez/Guillen group is very likely to play 150+ games, so it isn't like Jones and Thames would be left to rot on the bench.
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