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Giles is one of the best players in the NL, and has had to toil in anonymity his whole career.
Yep. The claiming rules don't change just because a team claims someone. The Nats could claim 20 players, if they so chose. Of course, then they'd have to find room for all of those players on their 40-man...
-- MWE
FWIW, when Giles was in Pittsburgh, he indicated that he'd use his no-trade clause to block a trade to NY.
Like that'd be hard.
My estimation of Brian Giles increases.
He definitely used to be, not sure that's so true anymore. How much is Petco to blame for his huge power drop? I guess there aren't a whole lot of great RF in the NL right now.
Supposedly the Cubs thought about trying to trade for him prior to deadline, with intentions of shifting Fukudome to CF. Edmonds has been playing so well though, that idea was scrapped.
Hence the FWIW.
That said, it's a moot point anyway. If the Mets weren't willing to trade F-Mart or Niese before the deadline, then they probably aren't going to trade them now. And they aren't going to get Giles without moving at least one of those two.
When did Giles become a closer?
Currently the fourth-highest EqA among everyday RFs in all of baseball, one point ahead of Markakis. He's a bit further back on counting stats this year, since he's spent a fair bit of time on the DL.
When Aaron Heilman gave up yet another home run the other night. When Aaron is part of the closer by committee, you have to think outside the box. Waaaaaaay outside the box . . . .
Giles-the-Padre has 28 HR at home and 47 on the road, so his park has definitely hurt him a bit. That said, he's not a 30/40-HR hitter at this point in his career. He's going to give you most of his value in BA, walks, doubles, and defense.
Depends how badly the Padres want the salary relief. If they think they won't be in contention next season (reasonable premise), 3m remaining this year and 3m buyout isn't exactly chump change...
Yeah, they aren't going to move him just to move him. He's a local guy, he's more than earning his money on the field, and they don't have any top OF prospects trying to force their way into the lineup.
I don't know if "blocking" would be the right term here. The Braves have a desperate need for outfielders, this year and next.
But there's no urgency for them to do so now. If the current team is willing to give up anything for him they can always just pull him off waivers, let the divisional races simmer for a couple days and then put him on waivers again. I think they can rest assured that he will still be claimed.
And, I suspect, if the Braves want Giles, there might be a fit there. They probably have the chips to swing a deal with the Padres, and they have salary flexibility next year to add him. Giles is just the sort of player the Braves should be looking to spend their dollars on, rather than try to compete for the top-shelf FAs they probably have little chance at or settle for over-priced second-tier FAs who would require long-term deals that will weigh them down.
Again, this is several years out of date, but while Giles was in Pittsburgh, the Braves and Pirates talked about a deal for him at least once. It died, IIRC, because the Braves found Littlefield too frustrating to deal with.
Not sure whether Giles would have any hard feelings about Atlanta pushing his brother out of town.
Actually, I understand that dozens of players are claimed each day. This is far more likely a non-story given that (i) a team that wants Giles was the one that claimed him - as opposed to a team that just wanted to block him from going somewhere else - and (ii) the team that got him has what the Padres want for Giles, and (iii) the players that SD wants have already cleared waivers and can be traded back to them. I suspect this is the last we hear publicly of the big Giles Waiver Deal.
This just isn't true.
Probably strictly a blocking move, right?
This means no NL team claimed him, correct? Or am I misremembering the order the leagues go in waiver claims?
If I am remembering correctly, that's really annoying. Giles would have fit nicely in LF (or even better, RF) in Atlanta next year. It's not like we've got any real OF prospects that will be ready for next season.
Usually, these waiver deals are for prospects or PTBNLs.
Marcus has said that Brian used to beat the ever-loving crap out of him so I don't think that would be a dealbreaker.
As SJ said this isn't true and hasn't been true for around a decade. This weekend Steve Phillips was on ESPN Radio and said that one year he claimed hundreds of players to block them. The numbers are improbable, but he did mention that the claims upset some of the older GM's who had worked with the gentlelmen's agreement.
Yeah, I think it's players off the 40 man roster but I'm not certain and it might be more complicated than that.
Absolutely not. At worst, it would be about equal, but it's probably better.
I am pretty sure that the second trip through waivers is irrevocable.
[EDIT] Athomeplate.com confirms that the second trip through waivers is irrevocable.
The now dead gentleman's agreement is why before the late 1990's nobody ever talked about the July 31 deadline.
Which means Ricciardi passed on him.
Moron.
Best Regards
John
Question: if Boston claims him but cannot reach an agreement with San Diego, and then San Diego elects to waive him, that means Giles has to go to Boston, right? So the n/t clause doesn't do him any good if San Diego truly does not want him on their roster.
He could always retire, or refuse to report.
Obviously Brian Giles doesn't care about baseball.
He's always distracted, looking forward to hopping into the shower with his brother afterwards.
Where should Ricciardi play him? Would he fit best in:
1) CF, where Wells is signed to a 8 years deal, and expected back between August 11 to 14
2) RF, where Rios is signed to a 6 year deal, or
3) LF, where Lind is hitting up a storm lately
Also, do the Jays have an extra $6M in their budget right now? Because that's what it'll cost them to add and buy out Giles.
Giles to LF, Lind to 1B or DH.
Hey, they spent almost $20M for a year-plus of Frank Thomas--I sure they can find the cash.
Best Regards
John
Really? I take the view that, because they spent $20M for a year-plus of Frank Thomas, I doubt that they can find the cash.
Incidentally, given that Overbay is signed for another 2-3 years, is it likely that the Jays would (not should) bench him?
I would not be surprised if there were still a gentleman's agreement such that non-contending teams do not put in waiver claims.
If Lind plays first he DH ... point being, there's a spot for Giles. I just tossed out 1B since that's where he used to play.
There was allegedly money in the budget for J.P. to make calls at the trade deadline--I'm guessing there is money for Giles.
Best Regards
John
I was unaware of this. Thank you for the information.
But, but, but J.P. said the Jays were contenders. He said we were in it! He wouldn't lie--even if he knew the truth would he?
Just another reminder that Ricciardi is the receptacle holding the end result of a feminine hygiene routine.
Best Regards
John
Maybe this is related to the failed attempt to sign him in 2005? Ricciardi might know that Giles doesn't want to be in Toronto and would veto any trade.
OK, but suppose the former. If Giles has a contractually negotiated right to refuse a trade to Boston and he exercises that right, then if his options are to retire or not report, he still gets paid, right?
Some reports are suggesting it's "insurance" against losing Ortiz without giving any indication if there has been a change in his injury status.
My first thought from a Red Sox perspective was definitely Ortiz insurance, not outfield insurance.
Wow, if Giles replaces Ortiz on the active roster (seems wild speculation in about seven ways at this point, but what the hey), that is one seriously white baseball team.
We have a winner. This makes a ton of sense for Boston, and that's in all likelihood how they are thinking about it.
It no longer works that way.
The waiver pick order now just goes by worst winning%, regardless of league.
Roch
I wonder if Chad is thrilled to be heading to this year's Team Of Destiny. All's I know is that submarining relievers make baby Esoteric coo.
Ding.
The question is "Is a waiver claim the same as a trade for a player with a no-trade clause?" I doubt that the contract just says "no trade clause". It probably spells out the details in lawyerese. So does anyone know if Giles can block being claimed on waivers?
ah, interesting, so that's the way to get around having to pass players you want to trade to a team in exchange for a player you'd like to acquire ... doesn't seem fair
it does, however, seem like the only way the red sox would be able to get giles. the padres weren't interested in trading him before the deadline and frankly aren't so strapped for cash that they can't afford him, especially for the rest of this year. even if they wanted to be rid of his salary next year, they'd be better off shopping him over the winter where they could get another team in on the bidding (like the yankees).
so any offer from the red sox has to be better than the return that they could expect to get later, which would seem pretty hard to do if that return has also got to pass through waivers ...
He stays away from all three of the true outcomes, gets a lot of groundballs, and murder righties.
I expect him to be the same effective reliever for the rest of the year and for the forseeable future after that.
K-rate is only about half of his career K-rate. Walks down as well, but not to the same extent. Still keeping the ball in the yard well.
I think this is a good pickup for Tampa Bay.
Red Sox
Rays
Angels
That's it. The entire NL would have had to pass, as would any team in the AL with a worse record than Boston.
So which is it?
Per DePodesta in the link above, players with no-trade clauses can block waiver wire trades.
He meant that everyone in the NL has a winnng % less than the Sawx.
Sorry, I somehow skipped that section of the thread.
Fangraphs
MLB Trade Rumors
At Home Plate
Fangraphs was from this week and the other two are two and three years old, respectively.
It's been a while since Ortiz played 1B except for interleague games at NL parks, where the DH is not available. Nothwithstanding their inexperience, I believe Giles, Drew & Bay would all be regarded as better 1B options, and that is before considering the increased risk of injury to Ortiz from playing the field.
So why on earth didn't the Red Sox put in a claim on Bradford?
The White Sox? Nah, that's too confusing. Even for the Toronto Star
Having him once was enough.
How about the Pink Sox? Or will that cause traumatic memories of the "Real fans don't wear pink" thread?
They can stay the Red Sox, but they have to move the team to the suburbs.
Rosenthal, in the linked article, says that Boston is among the teams Giles can block a trade to. Cot's agrees with Rosenthal. Giles also gets a $2M/year raise if traded. Don't know if the salary bump would apply to the option as well.
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