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Rosenthal: Sources: Padres’ Giles claimed on waivers

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Padres right fielder Brian Giles has been claimed on waivers, according to major league sources. The claiming team is not yet known.

The Padres have 48 hours from the time of the claim to work out a trade. If no deal is completed, the Padres can take back Giles, or let him go to the claiming team.

San Diego stands to save approximately $6 million by parting with Giles — roughly $3 million that is remaining on Giles’ salary for this season, plus a $3 million buyout for 2009.

...The claiming team is not necessarily a contender. It is possible that a non-contender is willing to land Giles with the idea of keeping him in 2009. The Blue Jays and Rangers considered trading for the Mariners’ Raul Ibanez, another left-handed hitting outfielder, before the non-waiver deadline. Ibanez is a free agent after this season. The Blue Jays were willing to offer him arbitration and have him return next year.

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101. rlc Posted: August 07, 2008 at 06:58 PM (#2894472)

The White Sox? Nah, that's too confusing. Even for the Toronto Star

The Redneck Sox.

102. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: August 07, 2008 at 07:00 PM (#2894475)

He meant that everyone in the NL has a winnng % less than the Sawx.

That's not true. The Cubs are three games ahead of the Sox.

103. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader

Posted: August 07, 2008 at 07:02 PM (#2894476)

That's not true. The Cubs are three games ahead of the Sox.

Well, then I'm confused now, too.

104. Crispix Attacks Posted: August 07, 2008 at 07:05 PM (#2894477)

The Red Sox picked up Brian Giles A) because he is of pure Nordic stock and B) to block the Cubs from getting him. What's not to understand?

105. SantoFan Posted: August 07, 2008 at 07:21 PM (#2894488)

Looks like someone over at ESPN realized their error, because the article now reads, "Giles has a limited no-trade clause, and Boston is among the teams to which he cannot be traded without his permission."

Would it hurt ESPN to hire a competent fact checker? (This is one of many boo-boos I've seen them make recently...)

106. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 07, 2008 at 07:29 PM (#2894497)

Waiver priority goes by league then won-loss record. The Cubs did not put in a claim on Giles.

107. JDLink Posted: August 07, 2008 at 07:37 PM (#2894512)

So why on earth didn't the Red Sox put in a claim on Bradford?

Or the Tigers?

108. Craig in MN Posted: August 07, 2008 at 07:43 PM (#2894523)

So why on earth didn't the Red Sox put in a claim on Bradford?

Or the Tigers?

Or Twins?

109. Joe Mauer Power Hour Posted: August 07, 2008 at 08:05 PM (#2894552)

The Twins bullpen hasn't impressed you over the past few games?

110. plim Posted: August 07, 2008 at 08:11 PM (#2894559)

111. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: August 07, 2008 at 08:17 PM (#2894565)

Waiver priority goes by league then won-loss record. The Cubs did not put in a claim on Giles.

Well, that's the question. There are those in this thread who are adamant that is no longer the case.

112. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 07, 2008 at 08:24 PM (#2894569)

"If the Red Sox get Brian Giles, they should sign Bonds as well, if only to have 3 of the 4 regular Pirate left fielders of the last 20+ years (they'd only be missing Al Martin)."

Actually, Martin has been claiming to be a member of the Red Sox for several years now.

113. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 07, 2008 at 09:25 PM (#2894633)

Well, that's the question. There are those in this thread who are adamant that is no longer the case.

There was one person who was adamant and, after other people said otherwise and included links to support their position, he admitted he was mistaken. Go look at the end of the first page. See posts ## 79, 91, and 94.

114. Srul Itza Posted: August 07, 2008 at 09:26 PM (#2894636)

While the Red Sox are looking for another bat, this is Manny's line in the 6 games since he joined the Dodgers:

.565/.615/1.130/1.745, 4 HRs, 7 Runs, 9 RBI

Not that Bay has been anything other than a stellar performer:

.423/.500/.692/1.192, 1 HR, 10 Runs, 6 RBI

The Dodgers must have some great medical people on staff -- looks like Manny's knees are not bothering any more.

115. greenback

Posted: August 07, 2008 at 09:56 PM (#2894658)

The question is "Is a waiver claim the same as a trade for a player with a no-trade clause?" I doubt that the contract just says "no trade clause". It probably spells out the details in lawyerese. So does anyone know if Giles can block being claimed on waivers?

The CBA uses the phrase "assign a contract" rather than "trade", etc.

116. Greg Pope Posted: August 07, 2008 at 10:26 PM (#2894668)

The CBA uses the phrase "assign a contract" rather than "trade", etc.

I thought it would be something like this.

117. Darren

Posted: August 07, 2008 at 10:49 PM (#2894687)

The Sox are setting out to acquire every OF I've ever drooled over. Look for a Lastings Milledge trade next!

Giles has hit with decent power away from Petco. In 07 he slugged .496 on the road, in 08 it was .449. I still don't like the trade though, unless someone is hurt more than we know. I don't want the Sox giving up some promising young player for a redundant rental.

As for the Ortiz to 1B move, I can't imagine them trying that. They have gone to great lengths to keep him at 1b and now he's coming back from a wrist injury.

118. Raines Posted: August 08, 2008 at 12:19 AM (#2894744)

Wouldn't the Sox move to pick up Giles have a number of benefits? One, TB doesn't get him. And two, if Ortiz' wrist doesn't hold up (due to constant masturbation) and he's not the threat in the middle of the order, Giles or Drew can DH. I like the move.

119. Raines Posted: August 08, 2008 at 12:19 AM (#2894745)

Double post, sorry about that.

120. Raines Posted: August 08, 2008 at 12:20 AM (#2894748)

121. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: August 08, 2008 at 12:34 AM (#2894755)

One, TB doesn't get him

Whether the Red Sox pick up Giles doesn't change the fact that the Rays will not be getting him.

The possibilities are:

1) The Padres and Red Sox work out a trade by tomorrow and Giles agrees to have his contract assigned
2) The Padres dump Giles on the Red Sox
2.1) Giles refuses to have his contract assigned and stays with the Padres
2.2) Giles agrees to have his contract assigned and goes to the Red Sox
3) The Padres pull him back off waivers
3.1) The Padres hold on to him for the rest of season
3.2) The Padres place him on waivers again and a whole bunch of teams place claims on him because the waivers are irrevocable

122. PJ Martinez Posted: August 08, 2008 at 12:41 AM (#2894762)

I don't want the Sox giving up some promising young player for a redundant rental.

What "promising young player" do you think they might have to give up? And where would you draw the line?

123. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: August 08, 2008 at 01:09 AM (#2894782)

There are those in this thread who are adamant that is no longer the case.

I'm one of them and not yet ready to admit my error. Specifically, Mitch, I believe your last two links are out of date and the first one is also based on out of date information.

RETRACTED: This does not appear to apply to Trade Assignment waivers (what's going on now) - this is still league by league. However, those links are still old or in need of refining.

124. Darren

Posted: August 08, 2008 at 01:19 AM (#2894789)

What is the timing of this claim vs. the clicking in Ortiz's wrist? They may have put in the claim just after he had the clicking issue, and now realize they don't need him.

125. Gern Blanston Posted: August 08, 2008 at 01:20 AM (#2894790)

Actually, Martin has been claiming to be a member of the Red Sox for several years now.

Nicely played.

126. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: August 08, 2008 at 01:39 AM (#2894801)

What "promising young player" do you think they might have to give up? And where would you draw the line?

I'd draw the line at the top 5. I mentioned Bard and Tejeda in the ST thread as guys that, if the Padres rated them much more highly than baseball people in general, would be ok to trade. I don't see the Padres making this trade without getting a better prospect than that - Giles has a very favorable 2009 contract, and the Padres have a perfectly good chance of winning the West next year, seeing as the West sucks.

127. Not the Greek god of anything Posted: August 08, 2008 at 01:45 AM (#2894803)

So if the Sox get Giles how close could they come to fielding a whitewash with a 'reasonable' lineup?

on a Papi off day:

c Varitek
1b Youkilis
2b Pedroia
ss Lowrie
3b Lowell (Cuban, but light skinned)
lf Bay
cf Ellsbury (partial Native American ancestry)
rf Drew
dh Giles
p Beckett, etc

Lets give half credit to Lowell and Ellsbury for a WW score of 9/10 (or 1/10 if you prefer). Any other teams come as close this year?

(intended to be fun, apologize in advance if found offensive!)
edit: forgot C

128. Darren

Posted: August 08, 2008 at 01:48 AM (#2894806)

You know MC, if someone else posted such trade possibilities, you'd be calling them pony-lovers. :)

Where I'd draw the line all depends on the health of the team. If Ortiz or an OF is going to be out, then I'd have the same line as MCOA's. If everyone's healthy and Giles is just super-duper depth, then I don't want to give up anyone remotely interesting. If SD wants to dump the salary and get a C prospect or 2 back, fine. If not, I say no thanks.

129. Darren

Posted: August 08, 2008 at 01:49 AM (#2894807)

Giles is very, very tan though. That has to count for something.

130. Chip Posted: August 08, 2008 at 02:28 AM (#2894824)

Any other teams come as close this year?

I'd say the Pirates can outdo them:

C Doumit
1b Eyechart
2b Sanchez (American-born and raised, pretty much in the Lowell category)
SS Wilson
3B LaRoche
OF Moss
OF McLouth
OF Michaels
P Karstens, etc.

Rockies can too, even with Helton, Spilborghs, and Podsednik all on the DL:

C Iannetta
1B Atkins
2B Baker
SS Tulowitzki
3B Stewart
OF Holiday
OF Sullivan
OF Hawpe
P Cook, etc.

131. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 08, 2008 at 02:43 AM (#2894832)

"I'd say the Pirates can outdo them:

C Doumit
1b Eyechart
2b Sanchez (American-born and raised, pretty much in the Lowell category)
SS Wilson
3B LaRoche
OF Moss
OF McLouth
OF Michaels
P Karstens, etc."

It's probably Pearce in RF rather than Michaels, but that's the same for racial purposes (and it's LaRoche 1.0 back at 1B as of this weekend). You could reasonably put Bixler at 2B, under the assumption that Freddy's getting an off-day.

132. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: August 08, 2008 at 06:04 AM (#2894893)

"See the ticker?" said Giles, referring to the news crawl at the bottom of the screen. "Favre for Giles."

133. OCD SS Posted: August 08, 2008 at 04:05 PM (#2895182)

Giles has reportedly blocked the trade.

134. Textbook Editor Posted: August 08, 2008 at 04:29 PM (#2895204)

Oh well, Giles can pursue getting his ring in San Diego, the Rays don't get him. and Boston is no better or worse than it was 36 hours ago. Much Ado About Nothing.

135. _ Posted: August 08, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#2895247)

Manny's line in the 6 games since he joined the Dodgers:
.565/.615/1.130/1.745, 4 HRs, 7 Runs, 9 RBI

Yeah, but when you adjust for the difference in league quality that's only like .320/.380/.600.

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