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Thursday, May 15, 2008

Rosenthal: Reality may set in for certain teams

More cool hi-resolution lynxmotioning jive from Robothal…

A’s

One general manager dismisses the A’s as the “luckiest team in baseball,” saying that the team ranks third in the league in scoring only because it is second with a .309 batting average with runners in scoring position — a trend that will be difficult to sustain. Another GM disagrees, saying that the A’s will pitch well enough to offset any offensive regression.

The A’s are so deep in pitching, they made room for Rich Harden by sending Chad Gaudin to the bullpen — even though Gaudin had a 3.75 ERA in six starts. The team is first in the league in ERA, including first in bullpen ERA by a wide margin. Relievers Santiago Casilla and Joey Devine have combined to allow three runs in 34 1/3 innings, striking out 39 and walking seven. Phew.

The offense figures to remain below-average, and the roster is something of a mish-mash — “not the most aesthetically pleasing,” in the words of GM Billy Beane. Still, Travis Buck and Carlos Gonzalez are available as potential outfield reinforcements at Class AAA, and the A’s also have Chris Denorfia, who is currently on the disabled list. Third baseman Eric Chavez, recovering from off-season back surgery, will begin a rehabilitation assignment Thursday. Jack Hannahan has played well at third, but a healthy Chavez ... all right, let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

Pretender or contender: Contender, just because of the pitching.

Repoz Posted: May 15, 2008 at 07:38 AM | 30 comment(s)
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   1. Sparkles Peterson Posted: May 15, 2008 at 08:38 AM (#2781625)
Cardinals

Pretender or contender: Contender, somehow.


After three paragraphs explaining that they're overachieving this is a bit of a cop-out, but I've seen a lot of similar sentiment from within and without the mainstream media. It's funny how rare it is to find someone willing to bet against a LaRussa team.
   2. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 09:15 AM (#2781654)
"Don't look now, but the Fish entered Tuesday with the same 23-15 record as the Diamondbacks and Cubs, creating a three-way tie for the best record in the NL. It's difficult to imagine the Marlins sustaining success with the league's third-worst rotation ERA. But you know what? The Phillies, Mets and even the top-ranked Braves have rotation concerns, too."

Top-ranked even though they're currently fourth in their own division, and tied for eighth in a sixteen-team league? Nice work if you can get it.
   3. Tricky Dick Posted: May 15, 2008 at 09:15 AM (#2781655)
Didn't Dayn Perry recently write a column about how the Cardinals aren't for real? Since both Perry and Rosenthal work for FoxSports, maybe they need to have a point/counter-point column.
   4. Master of the small sample size Posted: May 15, 2008 at 10:44 AM (#2781739)
No, Robothal doesn't have algorithms for when someone opposes him.
   5. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:07 AM (#2781766)
Top-ranked even though they're currently fourth in their own division, and tied for eighth in a sixteen-team league?

I'm guessing they have the top-ranked rotation ERA.
   6. colin oskepey Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:08 AM (#2781768)
One general manager dismisses the A’s as the “luckiest team in baseball

Another GM disagrees


jeez, thanks for that. insightful stuff.
   7. Ivan Grushenko of HK in Seattle Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:22 AM (#2781801)
Why are the Diamondbacks in the article? Didn't they have the best record in the NL last year?
   8. rfloh Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM (#2781812)
One general manager dismisses the A’s as the “luckiest team in baseball


Another GM disagrees



jeez, thanks for that. insightful stuff.


Of course, that's not all that Robothal wrote. Why are you deliberately misquoting a couple lines?
   9. Jimmy P Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:44 AM (#2781827)
Why are the Diamondbacks in the article? Didn't they have the best record in the NL last year?

Yes, but they don't have any "name" players, they're young, and they aren't in the East. So, people assume they suck.
   10. The Essex Snead Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:45 AM (#2781830)
Why are the Diamondbacks in the article? Didn't they have the best record in the NL last year?

Don't you know that you can't depend on a team where the best hitters are under 25? If Byrnes continues to struggle, it doesn't matter how many guys they have slugging around .500, they're going nowhere fast. As for pitching, I can't see how Arizona can safely depend on a rotation centered around Dan Haren & Brandon Webb.
   11. Sparkles Peterson Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:50 AM (#2781840)
The question the article asks is whether the D-backs are really the best team in the league, with the conclusion of "maybe." The "contender or pretender" schtick doesn't really work, but that question is not really asked about Arizona.
   12. Randy Jones Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:53 AM (#2781847)
Did you guys actually read what Robothal wrote about the DBacks?

from the article:
Diamondbacks
...
Pretender or contender: Contender. And maybe the 2008 NL champions.


So what's the problem there?
   13. Dig!!! JMM Dig!!! Posted: May 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM (#2781857)
Didn't Dayn Perry recently write a column about how the Cardinals aren't for real? Since both Perry and Rosenthal work for FoxSports, maybe they need to have a point/counter-point column.

Which one is the ignorant slut?
   14. Lake Placido Polanco (Crispix Attacks) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 12:11 PM (#2781875)
The question the article asks is whether the D-backs are really the best team in the league, with the conclusion of "maybe." The "contender or pretender" schtick doesn't really work, but that question is not really asked about Arizona.

I don't see why the question shouldn't be asked anyway. I mean, the Rockies won the league last year and are also full of promising youngsters. Is this April just a speed bump on their road to dynastic greatness?

This site is really a bizarre reflection of the baseball fan universe.

Ranking of fan bases on BTF, in terms of arrogance and entitlement

1. Diamondbacks
2. Red Sox
3. Yankees
4. Braves
(huge gap)
5. Cubs or Mets or Angels or someone, but even they predict doom at every pass
8. Every other team has no fans that are ever confident about anything.
   15. 1k5v3L Posted: May 15, 2008 at 12:14 PM (#2781879)
Ranking of fan bases on BTF, in terms of arrogance and entitlement

1. Diamondbacks
Why, thank you. I'm glad to be able to drag my fellow brethren from the midst of abject obscurity and mediocrity. However, an anonymous BTF scout disagrees with your ranking.
   16. 1k5v3L Posted: May 15, 2008 at 12:24 PM (#2781892)
I think the three series against NYM, PHI and CHN justify a question about the legitimacy of the Dbacks as a true contender, if not within the NL West, certainly in the NL. The Dbacks went 3-7 in those 10 games, so certainly the "pretenders" crowd would be justified to shuffle their feet. That being said, the Dbacks did play tough in all those games, and blew late leads against the Philles (once) and the Cubs (twice). As I wrote earlier, with a bit more luck, they could've been 5-5 or even 6-4.

The other issue here is that the Dbacks don't have to win the NL east or NL central, they just have to end up with the best record in the NL west, and so far the Dbacks have been beating their NL west "opponents" into pulp. They are 19-5 so far in the West, and given the Giants hitting problems, the Rockies pitching problems, and the Padres problems, period, the Dbacks true problem in the West might be the Dodgers, who all of a sudden are without a reasonably healthy shortstop.

The Dbacks do need more from RJ, a meaningful contribution from Doug Davis, another hot streak from Mark Reynolds, and, for the love of god and all furry animals, any #### contribution from that #### pathetic excuse for a left fielder they're strutting in the lineup every ##### day. I don't know how much of Erica's suckitude a reasonable man can stand. You would've thought Jeff Moorad learned from the Russ Ortiz and Shawn Green fiascos, but hell no. #### ####
   17. Alex Gordon's #1 Fan Posted: May 15, 2008 at 12:29 PM (#2781898)
Why are the Diamondbacks in the article? Didn't they have the best record in the NL last year?

I was wondering that too, they were my pick before the year to win the pennant, but I think he reasons because of their low payroll, they are "surprising" some people. Which is silly considering they had the best NL record last year AND added Dan Haren.
   18. JPWF13 Posted: May 15, 2008 at 12:33 PM (#2781907)
Ranking of fan bases on BTF, in terms of arrogance and entitlement

1. Diamondbacks

Why, thank you. I'm glad to be able to drag my fellow brethren from the midst of abject obscurity and mediocrity. However, an anonymous BTF scout disagrees with your ranking.


I hate to agree, but you're letting Levski skew those rankings a bit too much, he's no worse than many Yankee or Redsox fans, he just stands out because usually non Yankee or Redsox fans* do not act like that.


*Ok, many Met fans act like that, but they get counterbalanced by the doom and gloom Met fans...
   19. 1k5v3L Posted: May 15, 2008 at 12:35 PM (#2781910)
Which is silly considering they had the best NL record last year
They were more lucky than good, however--in case you missed all those articles last year.
   20. mel otts home field advantage (DrS&;s) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 12:40 PM (#2781917)
true problem in the West might be the Dodgers, who all of a sudden are without a reasonably healthy shortstop.


Nomar got hurt *again*?
   21. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 01:59 PM (#2782044)
Of course, that's...all that Robothal wrote. Why are you deliberately [quoting] a couple lines?

So you agree? 8-)
   22. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: May 15, 2008 at 02:01 PM (#2782055)
or the love of god and all furry animals, any #### contribution from that #### pathetic excuse for a left fielder they're strutting in the lineup every ##### day.

Hey, they had their chance at Jim Edmonds and they blew it.
   23. Kyle S at work Posted: May 15, 2008 at 02:09 PM (#2782063)
I think Crispix is allowing his pro-Philly bias to show when he mentions the Braves in the top 4. I guess you have a problem with Sam H? Most other Braves fans here are pretty reasonable IMHO. At the very least, there are no Braves posters here who write weekly columns on SNY about how Jair Jurrjens just might win the Cy Young Award and get them linked here.
   24. George Sherrill's hat Posted: May 15, 2008 at 02:17 PM (#2782077)
Every other team has no fans that are ever confident about anything.

O's fans have been pretty confident that everything is and always will be misery. Though even that is starting to change among some of us.
   25. North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan Posted: May 15, 2008 at 02:58 PM (#2782202)
or the love of god and all furry animals, any #### contribution from that #### pathetic excuse for a left fielder they're strutting in the lineup every ##### day.

The answer is clear: Micah Owings, LF.
   26. 1k5v3L Posted: May 15, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2782314)
Chad Tracy, LF, might be an option before long. Even though a straight Salazar/Erica platoon would be a major improvement for the time being.

Of course, Erica would get her feelings bruised and her hair all messed up. And her pouting would affect her catwalk on the runway out there in LF
   27. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 15, 2008 at 04:02 PM (#2782393)
It's funny how rare it is to find someone willing to bet against a LaRussa team.

I think someone needs to be handed the Cardinal Fan Handbook. It was explained to us just the other day that Tony LaRussa is not appreciated, that he is at fault for the world's ills and how nobody gives him his due credit.

Gonna cause all kinds of problems straying off message like that.
   28. Dan Posted: May 15, 2008 at 04:50 PM (#2782537)
Chad Tracy, LF, might be an option before long. Even though a straight Salazar/Erica platoon would be a major improvement for the time being.

Is this any more likely than Tracy at 3rd with Reynolds in LF?
   29. 1k5v3L Posted: May 15, 2008 at 04:54 PM (#2782544)
Dan, no. Tracy can't throw.
   30. Alex Gordon's #1 Fan Posted: May 15, 2008 at 05:13 PM (#2782557)
I'd love for the Royals to get Tracy. Want Joey Gathright? He's really fast and can jump over a car. Or Mark Teahen? He can walk a bit and hit lots of cool groundouts.
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