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Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Sabernomics: What Do the Statistics Say about Roger Clemens’s Steroid Use?

Fresh from taking in an FDA Epitonine game…JCB digs deep into the Clemens statistical report.

Clemens’s study looks at his performance in reference to the changing playing environment of the league. For many potential reasons (e.g., new ballparks, expansion, juiced balls, etc.) the run environment dramatically changed over the course of Clemens’s career. To combat any bias from this, the authors of the study compare Clemens’s ERA to the average of the league, looking at the difference. It is no surprise that his ERA difference fluctuated quite a bit over the course of his career (p. 6). ERA is inherently a volatile statistic. In fact, in my book I use Clemens as an example of how drastically a pitcher’s ERA can change during a career, and I show that his variation in performance was well within the normal range (p. 165).

What I would like to do is to take this analysis one step further. One of the reasons that ERA is volatile is that it includes the performance of fielders and random bounces of the ball. If we use the novel idea of Voros McCracken’s DIPS, then we can more closely examine the components of Clemens’s performance over his career using factors that were solely in his control. The major defense-independent components of pitcher performance are strikeouts, walks, and home runs. In particular, I would expect Clemens’s strikeout numbers to influence and reflect his decision to use performance-enhancing drugs. Because these statistics occur at different rates, I compare how Clemens performed relative to the league average as percent of the league average.

...This in no way proves that Clemens didn’t use steroids; he is right when says he can’t prove a negative. Others may interpret the data differently than I do. But, the more I look into these numbers, the more I am convinced that McNamee is the one who is lying. Until I see some other corroborating evidence—I wonder what is in those seized 2004 drug tests—I have to conclude that Clemens pitched without the aid of steroids.

Repoz Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:05 PM | 7 comment(s) | Login to Bookmark
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   1. cee lo ortiz Posted: January 29, 2008 at 01:57 PM (#2678316)
That it was rampant?
   2. ronh Posted: January 29, 2008 at 02:33 PM (#2678330)
Interesting how in the Clemens Report they list his monthly stats (Charts 20 thru 24) for the seasons 1999 and beyond, but they don't do that for the 1998 season when he was alledged to have started on PEDs.

And in a gamelog of the 98 season they note that he was pitching erratically for a 6 game stretch, when in fact, for the middle 4 games of the 6, he threw 29 inn, gave up 15 hits and only 2 runs. That's erratic?
   3. dlf Posted: January 29, 2008 at 02:37 PM (#2678334)
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what JC has written here and in the past, but hasn't he argued that the effects of steroids are either drastically overstated or medically uncertain? (Or has he expressly limited that to hGH?) If taking PEDs has little or no effect, than looking for evidence of drug use in the performance can do nothing to prove or disprove his use of PEDs and certainly can not provide one whit of evidence to support "I have to conclude that Clemens pitched without the aid of steroids." One would have to conclude that steroids have a significant effect (positive or negative) to see them in the performance numbers. I thought JC rejected that premise before. Am I misremembering?
   4. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 29, 2008 at 03:08 PM (#2678357)
Because these statistics occur at different rates, I compare how Clemens performed relative to the league average as percent of the league average.


Isn't this a fundamental flaw of any study that tries to identify the impact of steroids on a specific individual? If steroids affect performance - e.g., if steroid use will improve a pitcher's strikeout rate - then one of the factors driving the league strikeout rate will be the percentage of pitchers using steroids. If the league K rate goes up because more pitchers begin to take steroids, and Clemens' K rate goes up at the same time by the same amount, couldn't that just as well indicate that he started using steroids around the same time that everybody else did?

I'm not saying that's how I would interpret the data here; I'm just saying that seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable possible interpretation of the data.
   5. BurlyBuehrle Posted: January 29, 2008 at 07:15 PM (#2678714)
It seems to me that the focus on the data from the exact date that Clemens' alleged 'roid use began is misplaced - two major benefits of steroids is (1) to reduce recovery time between workouts and (2) magnify the musclebuilding effects of workouts. Thus, it seems to me that to do any sort of statistical analysis, there'd need to be some built-in lag time before the analysis proceeds - to allow for the user to really realize the "benefit" of the PED use. Now - what that lag time should be, I haven't the slightest idea.
   6. The Kids Are Enright (1k5v3L) Posted: January 29, 2008 at 07:20 PM (#2678726)
Sheehan made a pretty good post on BProspectus on the Clemens report, imho.
   7. AROM Posted: January 29, 2008 at 07:51 PM (#2678765)
That last paragraph is a little weird. I agree with the first sentence - I don't think his statistics prove anything, either way, and what variability Clemens has shown is normal and also partially explainable by the changes in teams he's made. And if JC believes that steroids don't have an effect (don't know what his position is on this) then of course the stats can't tell you anything, as dlf said in #3.

Then the final sentence he concludes that Clemens didn't pitch with steroids. That does not follow from the evidence, he's relying solely on faith here.

Thus, it seems to me that to do any sort of statistical analysis, there'd need to be some built-in lag time before the analysis proceeds - to allow for the user to really realize the "benefit" of the PED use.


I thought Caminiti believed they helped him right away. Could be he had a lucky game after roiding up, or some sort of placebo effect.
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