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Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Salon: King Kaufman’s Sports Daily

Where’s Carl Monday when you need him?.....King is about to update his PRV (as in “perv") stat!

They say there’s never a math professor around when you need one, but one came to my rescue when I asked for help with my newly invented baseball stat three months ago, and so, without further ado, this column is proud to present the current National League leaders in pitcher run value, or PRV, which I’d like you to pronounce, as in “perv.”

To skip to the good part, the leader is Chris Carpenter of St. Louis at 2.79. If you noticed that Carpenter is also the league leader in earned-run average at 2.84, and that those two numbers are awfully similar, please come to the front of the class. And be quiet.

Repoz Posted: September 12, 2006 at 01:07 PM | 10 comment(s)
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   1. Will Young likes his piranhtas Posted: September 12, 2006 at 01:22 PM (#2174616)
Well done, Repoz.
   2. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: September 12, 2006 at 01:45 PM (#2174641)
By the way, the reason we're using ERA, rather than all runs including unearned ones, to figure PRV is that all runs created as a batter are earned. If you're safe on an error, you're credited with making an out in your batting stats.

I'd definitely be for giving the pitcher 1/3 of an inning for each ROE.
   3. Traderdave Posted: September 12, 2006 at 02:00 PM (#2174658)
Pitchers hitting is one of my favorite parts of the game. I love of when a guy who is assumed to be an automatic out gets a hit.

Quite surprised that Dontrelle Willis is so far down the list
   4. Traderdave Posted: September 12, 2006 at 02:02 PM (#2174659)
*** love IT when ****
   5. RichRifkin Posted: September 12, 2006 at 02:17 PM (#2174681)
Win Shares for pitchers also takes into account a pitcher's hitting, as well as his pitching and fielding. I trust it more as a total measure of a pitcher's performance than PRV. And for what it's worth, Win Shares gives Carlos Zambrano even more credit than PRV does.

PRV
1. Carpenter, St.L. 2.79
2. Webb, Ari. 2.92
3. Oswalt, Hou. 3.03
4. Johnson, Fla. 3.16
5. Arroyo, Cin. 3.17
6. Zambrano, Chi. 3.35
7. Schmidt, S.F. 3.37
8. Jennings, Col. 3.41
9. Capuano, Mil. 3.44
10. Lowe, L.A. 3.58

Pitchers Win Shares

1. Webb, Ari. 18.1
2. Carpenter, St.L. 17.9
3. Zambrano, Chi. 16.5
3. Oswalt, Hou. 16.5
5. Arroyo, Cin. 15.0
6. Capuano, Mil. 15.3
7. Schmidt, S.F. 14.4
8. Smoltz, Atl. 13.7
9. Harang, Cin. 12.5
10. Francis, Col. 12.0
10. Jennings, Col. 12.0
   6. Sean McNally Posted: September 12, 2006 at 02:18 PM (#2174684)
Where’s Carl Monday when you need him?


Staking out Ohio libraries and computer labs?
   7. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: September 12, 2006 at 02:23 PM (#2174687)
And for what it's worth, Win Shares gives Carlos Zambrano even more credit than PRV does.

And it's either boosting Webb or dissing Carpenter relative to PRV.
   8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 12, 2006 at 02:28 PM (#2174695)
I love of when a guy who is assumed to be an automatic out gets a hit.

Are you a Cub fan?
   9. DCW3 * Posted: September 12, 2006 at 04:29 PM (#2174778)
Win Shares for pitchers also takes into account a pitcher's hitting, as well as his pitching and fielding.

I think that Win Shares has a fundamental flaw when it comes to pitchers' hitting, though. Win Shares doesn't use positional adjustments on offense--it instead gives more fielding shares to players at more difficult positions. But pitchers don't get fielding Win Shares. Look at Carlos Zambrano's numbers from 2005--according to THT, he had -0.1 batting Win Shares, even though, by my calculations, he was worth about nine runs more than the average pitcher on offense. That's just not right.
   10. asinwreck Posted: September 12, 2006 at 05:00 PM (#2174800)
Look out Cleveland.
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