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I think Joe Carter's reception on the ballot gives us a hint.
The 65-year-old... will likely finish the 2010 season between 65th and 67th among the nearly 700 men to have managed in the big leagues.
I think the list of all 17 managers in the Hall of Fame gives us a hint.
No.
He might have been able to build a case if he coached somewhere in the decade between Toronto stints, but he just doesn't have the totals to merit serious consideration, and I say this as a huge Cito fan.
Murtaugh got some votes this year, though, and Kelly will eventually be inducted down the line, I think. Both earned the reputation of molding their teams over long periods of time.
I still wouldn't vote for Jim Rice.
I don't think one necessarily needs more than two World Series under those conditions, but one probably needs at least two distinct periods of success. In Cito's case, it was basically all downhill after the two WS years, which gives a great opening for the "Sure, he could win with a loaded team, but..." crowd.
Six playoff appearances seems like a bunch to me for the pre-Wild Card era. Sparky Anderson and Lasorda each had seven. Earl Weaver had six, same as Herzog.
I'm sure it's just a matter of time.
At least I know what "baseball" is supposed to mean.
When somebody tells me what the #### "rock and roll" is supposed to mean -- a definition which must necessarily include everyone currently in the RnR HOF -- I'll start paying attention to their stupid, stupid, stupid "Hall of Fame."
If he achieves this then they should waive the waiting period.
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