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I don't the Sabathia example is a particularly good one, either. He's a type of pitcher who can probably handle more pitches per outing than a lot of his peers. But we've already seen what throwing a lot of pitches throughout the season did to him. And while he was still throwing some heat late in that Houston game, he was pretty clearly gassed the last inning or two he was out there. This isn't the case for the Brewers, but if you've got a good pen, it's stupid to try and squeeze another 20 or 30 sub-par pitches out of your starter.
Exactly. Teams with bad 'pens tend to be, well, bad. There's no reason to stretch out your starter if you're not playing for anything. Teams with good 'pens probably have pitchers willing to go the distance every night, but why bother when you have what's usually a better option at that point in the game? Lester for the 9th or Papelbon K'ing 2 or 3 guys in a 12 pitch span?
The main reason those guys threw so many CG back then was because the bullpen was just a crop of failed starters, and nothing more.
Last year, in the AL, there was one complete game for every 35.44 starts. This year, there has been one CG for every 28.41 starts. The American League already has as many complete games this year (64) as it had all of last year.
So what this article really is trying to say is that the art of the complete game is making a comeback.
I think it was the other way around.
I'm not sure what you think my point was. I am aware that CGs are more common in the AL, for obvious reasons; all I was pointing out was that CGs have gotten more common this year in both leagues.
classic.
Not Jenkins, though. In a long screed about how most starters don't need to be protected, he actually brings up players like Mike Krukow who was done immediately afterwards and had to retire because of his torn rotator cuff, John Smoltz, who almost had his career end years ago, and Fernando Valenzuela, done as a star by the time he was "24."
He is also not a good example as the Brewers do not have a long term investment in him. They might be different pressures on them if he were signed to a 6 year, 100 million contract.
That's my wild-assed theory anyway.
I don't know, Bruce. Are you arguing, or are you not arguing?
I actually have to give Jenkins a little credit. This isn't a true get off my lawn article - he isn't saying that today's ballplayers are pussies, he acknowledges that they would all love to pile up complete games if their managers let them.
Sadly, the art of the complete column has also been lost.
I phrased that really badly, but I think it'll be good enough.
The stupidity of people like Barbieri is almost enough for me to wish Lincecum's arm would become detached from his shoulder. But these PsOS would blame the culture of baseball today for babying the kids in the minors so they couldn't manage a reasonable workload. If only they had come through the pipeline the same time as a gamer like Krukow.
why wasn't i invited?
Anyway, he addressed that some people had brought up the criticism about Krukow, Smoltz, etc. He said that he guarantees they wouldn't change a thing because they wanted to compete at the highest level. I wonder if he thinks the same about guys who were toast before they made any money.
Then Barbieri interrupted the thought to say what wonderful prose the first few paragraphs were, and he read them on the air for those of us who hadn't the chance to read it ourselves. Honestly, you'd think Jenkins had just penned the defining work of a generation.
Justin T- Jenkins does claim that guys would rather burn out their arm going all the way. He once said that the pitchers on the A's staff under Billy Martin did not mind wasting their arms if it got them to the playoffs once rather than have long careers and not make the playoffs.
Aside from tennis he is a complete waste of time to read.
Exactly. Why push a tiring starter when you can run a fresh arm out there who will, likely, be at least as good for an inning or so as the guy who is coming out?
-- MWE
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