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if this were a derby, two horses never left the gate and the third stopped after 20 feet so the jockey could have a smoke
This clinches it, 2 weeks from now, out of the Blue we're all going to wake up and learn that Johan has been traded to the Dodgers for Kemp and Kershaw
I knew this day would finally come.
I prayed it would not come this soon.
I wager that those three would absolutely cream the Molina brothers' track team.
I wager that those three would absolutely cream the Molina brothers' track team.
If this Derby is run at the same distance as the Kentucky Derby, neither team would complete the mile and a quarter before 2015 at the earliest. And that's assuming they all didn't drop dead first. You willing to wait that long to collect on your bet, Sparkles?
Or he opens for the Twins on opening day. I think that would be comment-worthy.
Is Luis Rivas still hanging around their system? He sucks enough to be a Cub.
I still can't believe that Cabrera deal happened in, like, 12 hours. That's friggin' HOT.
I wholeheartedly support this idea.
I know the Red Sox and some of their fans think it is impossible for them to actually lose a Series against a NL team but can you imagine the uproar in Red Sox Nation if the Mets beat the Sox in the World Series and Johan Santana was a huge part of that team?
<yawn> First, that's an improbable scenario. The Red Sox are much less likely to face the Mets than they are to face the Yankees. Second, Red Sox fans have never been under the impression that they ought to control every decent player on the face of the planet. That's a New York thing. Third, at least from my perspective, I'm still not interested. If the Twins like the current offer, then fine. If they don't, then fine.
It's not that they "ought" to control players, it's just that in the above hypothetical (where they trade a prospect to the mets), they ARE controlling johan to a certain degree. if that decision came back to bite them, then yes, RSN would have a problem.
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That's a fair point. THe move would be a huge gamble, but it would allow them to keep him out of the AL and away from the Yankees while holding on to all of their top prospects.
How is Crisp significantly different from Corey Patterson who is readily available?
He's a better defender and a slightly better hitter?
He's not a better defender.
ZiPS: Crisp .271/.333/.410
Patterson .257/.295/.402
is a significant difference.
If the Twins want Crisp, I'm sure a deal can be worked out one way or another.
Crisp may be a slightly player overall depending on how much weight you give his last two years in Cleveland. IMO, I don't the difference in the two players is so large that I'd target Crisp as a significant part of a package for Santana when I could get Patterson for free.
And I'm just bored at work at the moment and figured I'd argue the point.
I don't think that is a real rumor.
Green is an acceptable bat against rigthanders. He doesn't have much power anymore but does a good job getting on base because he hits for average and can take a walk. He's below average on defense but isn't quite as bad as his rep around here. Overall, in a strict platoon he might be acceptable and his durability is a point in his favor especially considering Alou is the other corner outfielder.
Gomez isn't ready. He needs at least a few months in AAA if not a full season.
Endy is a very good 4th outfielder but as a left-handed portion of a platoon, he's basically a starter. That's more AB than I'd want to give him.
I think the Hades ballclub is looking to trade Sisyphus, there would be a good long story.
When they send a guy down to AAA, do they say he's heading for the Styx?
Even if Church is not dealt, I think the Mets are a RH outfielder short. I know the plan is to have Easley be that guy, but he’s no spring chicken and he’s backing up a whole bunch of other positions. I thought Omar gave up on Ben Johnson too soon. Sure he stunk last year, but he showed a decent ability to hit lefties and play a multitude of positions prior to joining the Mets. Also, the Mets have open roster spots - is he out of options?
Oh, and there’s always Pagan.
Maybe the Twins will send Craig Monroe along with Santana....that solves the Mets problem of needing a RH outfielder and the Twins problem of having Craig Monroe.
I notice you didn't say "RH hitting outfielder." The Mets would strongly prefer that the right-handed outfielder they play in right-field be capable of hitting.
That would appear to disqualify Craig Monroe.
That said, I could warm to this idea of a package of Church and three prospects, a lot more than I could ever deal with cleaning out every prospect the Mets have for Santana. Yes, the more prospect-heavy deal would leave the Mets better off if you are thinking ONLY of 2008, but that is not the proper way to assess things. You have to balance the needs of next year's ball club with those of the organization going forward. And leaving the farm with some useful assets for the future is far smarter, even if it means we may get less production and lose some games off next year's win total.
Xavier Nady, acquired for a B-level prospect.
Can I play too?
Matt Murton acquired for Carlos Gomez.
Maybe it's totally irrational, but I don't want to give up Martinez. Of Martinez, Gomez and Milledge, they'd be left with the one least valuable to them. Least valuable overall, but he has more value to a team in need of a CF.
I don't think it has sunk in just how bad a hit the Mets are going to take by running Schnieder out there every day. He won't be Rey Ordonez bad, but he won't be a huge tick above him either. He's already my least favorite Met, and I thought no one would make me miss LoDuca. Is there really a running team in the NL East it's worth acquiring a player to shut down, other than the Mets?
Schneider was arguably better offensively than LoDuca in 2007 (.235/.326/.336 vs. .272/.311/.378). He's 5 years younger and he can't be worse defensively. It's not out of the question for the guy to put up something like a .255/.340/.360 line, which isn't anything impressive, but far from team-crushing if he's even just average defensively.
If Schneider is a poor defensive catcher, that's a totally different story.
But he is so not clutch! He just can't get over the hump.
No, what's "team-crushing" is what you'll see Lastings Milledge put up for the Nats every day while Schneider and Church do their averageish work for the Mets in 2008. Not to mention spirit-crushing. And possibly Omar-crushing.
He slugged .329 and .336 the last two years. You can't live with that when Luis Castillo's in your lineup and your pitcher hits. He's going to hit #8- last year 7 of his 56 walks were intentional, the year before it was 10/38. I want no part of this guy. He's terrible and we gave up Milledge for him. A lot of rallies are gonna die by his hand.
Speakin' as a Pirates fan, I bet they'd flip him for one of your young SPs. Whether that's something you'd be willing to trade is, of course, another question.
Look, nobody likes the trade. But we're really getting very worked up over a relatively small issue until we get into how it is representative of a flawed organizational philosophy. I hate the Milledge trade much more for what it represents (the way the Mets systematically devalued Milledge, then got him for less than he was worth) than the actual players.
Church is pretty likely to have as good or better performance when compared to Milledge in 2008.
Schneider, by the way, has hit .254/.325/.389 against right-handed pitching in his career (which is about 3/4 of his PA). With the intentional walks for being a #8 hitter, a .700 OPS isn't that much of a stretch. Conveniently, the Mets have already signed a good-hitting right-handed backup catcher. There is potential for the Mets to sit Schneider vs. left-handed starters and have a fairly decent catching platoon.
Neither of these two players are going to "kill the Mets" in 2008. And odds are low that Milledge himself will do a tremendous amount of damage to the Mets in 2008 as well.
And that's a bad trade I'm talking about. This isn't a life-crushing, Omar-firing, organization-destroying trade.
I can maybe see Church equaling Milledge in 2008 if we're only talking about value at the plate. But he needs a platoon partner, and isn't as good in the field or on the bases. Milledge did nothing but hit last year.
Schneider is a net negative. That's my concern; Omar thinks he's a good player, and he's not. Defense at catcher isn't so important you punt a lineup spot and a young budding star for. There is no way you can twist the numbers to make Schneider look decent or even passable at the plate- he should be a last resort rather than a first. Every time I want to have faith in Omar he does something like this.
And we know how much a single, determined player can do to the Mets in a given season- Pat Burrell, Chipper Jones, Brian Schneider and in the future Lastings Milledge....
When Jason Kendall and Brian Schneider are starting Cs...
Is there anything in Milledge's minor league numbers to indicate that he can't hit righties? It seems strange to conclude that he needs a platoon partner at age 23, unless he's had some extreme platoon split his whole career.
What I'll continue to wonder also is if F-Mart, Milledge, and a couple of pitching prospects gets the deal done. That's another odd thing about the Milledge trade- it was made so early in the offseason that it seems like it handcuffed Omar's ability to shop him for something better. I keep thinking I'm going to wake up and hear that Milledge was found sodomizing a goat or something...then all of the sudden this trade will have made sense, they kept the story quiet as long as possible, but Omar was worried about the effects of having a goat-f*cker in the clubhouse, and wisely dealt him ASAP...
Milledge is going to hit righties eventually. At times last season, he looked overmatched by quality breaking stuff from righthanders. He is going to make the adjustment but it may take a season before that happens.
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