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1. bfan
Posted: May 08, 2007 at 10:40 AM (#2358280)
Pedro, but in a Mets uniform? Randy Johnson, but in a Yankees uniform? I am surprised they didn't airbrush pin-stripes on Bob Gibson's photo. At least they have Clemens as an Astro.
5. Dag Nabbit
Posted: May 08, 2007 at 11:29 AM (#2358324)
If this were classic primer, I'd be posting as Carl Mays, wondering who does a guy have to kill to make this list.
Dontcha love how these all-time lists really mean since 1950, plus 1-2 older guys? I'm amazed they had Sal Maglie in.
Is Marchical really that intimidating a pitcher? I know he was great, and a fierce competitor and all, but they have him just a little behind Ryan & Clemens. The man was far more dangerous with a bat in his hand than a ball. I'd say Andujar was more intimidating.
No Carl Mays. Howard Ehmke was a fastballer who led the league in hit batsmen six times. Not listed. Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Amos Rusie, Burleigh Grimes, Lefty Grove . . Heck, Roy Parmalee, and Smokey Joe Williams. I know I shouldn't expect them to actually mean "all time" when they say "all time," but it annoys me none the less.
When I left a job a few years ago, I received that SI w/ Sudden Sam on the cover as a going away present. Grew up an Indians and McDowell fan.
McDowell's 1965 season, 273 IP, 325 K's, 2.18 ERA! There is a write-up of a game in which he beat the Yankees 3-1, throwing 163 pitches. His salary for 1966, $25,000.
McDowell lived in a suburb of Cleveland, South Euclid, where my dad was a cop. On Friday or Saturday nights when he was working the graveyard, the police frequently got a call from McDowell's favorite bar. McDowell would often get angry and start throwing furniture when they tried to close the bar at 2:00.
Years later, when McDowell was back in the AL w/ the Yankees, my father noted that the Yankees were going to be in town for a weekend series, and made sure that they had an empty cell. Sure enough, they got a call from the same bar at 2 AM. This may or may not have happened, but my dad swears that McDowell recognized him when my dad showed up to cart him away.
You probably know the end of the story, McDowell finally quit drinking in the early 80's and became a successful addictions counselor and sports psychologist. Much more reason today to be a hero than in 1966.
Nice link here: OnLine Floridian 1993
The only autograph I got in my life was Sam McDowell's. He was the guest speaker at the PA Newpaperboy's Award banquet. I was the Junior Newspaperboy of the Year for the Norristown Times Herald and got a trip to Pittsburgh out of it. My picture made the front page in Fall, 1965, and the banquet was sometime after that.
Sam had to leave the banquet early (Sudden Sam, eh?). I have always remembered that it was because he had to hustle home because his wife was giving birth. I looked up Jack's birthdate and it was Jan. 1966, which would have been about the right time. However, Jack was born in Van Nuys, CA, so would Sam have been on the East Coast (more or less)?
Anyway, I got up the nerve and approached him outside while he was waiting for a cab, and stammered out a request. He signed the postcard that I got from my Heinz factory tour.
Was Pedro really ejected 12 times in 23 starts in 1994? That's pretty crazy.
16. Philippe
Posted: May 09, 2007 at 08:24 AM (#2359191)
As far as I remember, Pedro was only ejected once in 1993. It was the game in April or May where he pitched 7 perfect innings against the Reds, then hit Reggie Sanders in the 8th and the umpire somehow thought it was deliberate. Pedro always did hit quite a few batters for the ridiculously small number of bases on balls he gave up, so umpires were always suspicious when he plucked someone. The 12 ejections may be during the course of his career; he also served a one-week suspension to begin 1997, for throwing at a batter at the end of 1996.
17. Philippe
Posted: May 09, 2007 at 08:25 AM (#2359193)
As far as I remember, Pedro was only ejected once in 1994. It was the game in April or May where he pitched 7 perfect innings against the Reds, then hit Reggie Sanders in the 8th and the umpire somehow thought it was deliberate. Pedro always did hit quite a few batters for the ridiculously small number of bases on balls he gave up, so umpires were always suspicious when he plucked someone. The 12 ejections may be during the course of his career; he also served a one-week suspension to begin 1997, for throwing at a batter at the end of 1996.
18. zonk
Posted: May 09, 2007 at 08:38 AM (#2359200)
This seems like more of a list of fireballers...
Feller, Gossage, I suppose... Where's the Al Hrabosky, the Ryne Duren? When I think intimidating, I think slightly nuts, fairly wild, hard throwers.
Was Pedro really ejected 12 times in 23 starts in 1994? That's pretty crazy.
Of course not. A check of his 1994 game logs shows that he was removed intra-inning only 5 times, and never after a HBP. I have no idea where that obvious mistake came from.
As far as I remember, Pedro was only ejected once in 1994. It was the game in April or May where he pitched 7 perfect innings against the Reds, then hit Reggie Sanders in the 8th and the umpire somehow thought it was deliberate.
He did hit Sanders in the 8th to spoil the perfecto, but he wasn't removed until the 9th after giving up a leadoff hit to Brian Dorsett to spoil the no-no.
21. Philippe
Posted: May 09, 2007 at 09:03 AM (#2359221)
That's the game. So he wasn't even ejected... But I remember the Reds protesting loudly at the time.
When he first came up, he had terrible vision, but didn't wear glasses or contacts on the mound. So this young wildman with a 100 MPH fastball would take the mound, lean forward, and squint his eyes to get the catcher's signals.
You gotta be either completely coldblooded or completely crazy wild, or ideally both.
Ten Pretty Scary Guys:
Carl Mays
Johnny Allen
The young Bob Feller
Sal Maglie
Ryne Duren
Don Drysdale
Bob Gibson
Nolan Ryan
Randy Johnson (in his early wild days on the Mariners, especially against lefthanders)
Pedro Martinez (whenever he felt like it, not on days when he didn't need it)
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And Randy Johnson, and Curt Schilling, and Pedro Martinez, and Rube Waddell. [Not counting 19th century guys]
Dontcha love how these all-time lists really mean since 1950, plus 1-2 older guys? I'm amazed they had Sal Maglie in.
Is Marchical really that intimidating a pitcher? I know he was great, and a fierce competitor and all, but they have him just a little behind Ryan & Clemens. The man was far more dangerous with a bat in his hand than a ball. I'd say Andujar was more intimidating.
No Carl Mays. Howard Ehmke was a fastballer who led the league in hit batsmen six times. Not listed. Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Amos Rusie, Burleigh Grimes, Lefty Grove . . Heck, Roy Parmalee, and Smokey Joe Williams. I know I shouldn't expect them to actually mean "all time" when they say "all time," but it annoys me none the less.
McDowell's 1965 season, 273 IP, 325 K's, 2.18 ERA! There is a write-up of a game in which he beat the Yankees 3-1, throwing 163 pitches. His salary for 1966, $25,000.
McDowell lived in a suburb of Cleveland, South Euclid, where my dad was a cop. On Friday or Saturday nights when he was working the graveyard, the police frequently got a call from McDowell's favorite bar. McDowell would often get angry and start throwing furniture when they tried to close the bar at 2:00.
Years later, when McDowell was back in the AL w/ the Yankees, my father noted that the Yankees were going to be in town for a weekend series, and made sure that they had an empty cell. Sure enough, they got a call from the same bar at 2 AM. This may or may not have happened, but my dad swears that McDowell recognized him when my dad showed up to cart him away.
You probably know the end of the story, McDowell finally quit drinking in the early 80's and became a successful addictions counselor and sports psychologist. Much more reason today to be a hero than in 1966.
Nice link here:
OnLine Floridian 1993
BBref lists them as cousins?
Sam had to leave the banquet early (Sudden Sam, eh?). I have always remembered that it was because he had to hustle home because his wife was giving birth. I looked up Jack's birthdate and it was Jan. 1966, which would have been about the right time. However, Jack was born in Van Nuys, CA, so would Sam have been on the East Coast (more or less)?
Anyway, I got up the nerve and approached him outside while he was waiting for a cab, and stammered out a request. He signed the postcard that I got from my Heinz factory tour.
Feller, Gossage, I suppose... Where's the Al Hrabosky, the Ryne Duren? When I think intimidating, I think slightly nuts, fairly wild, hard throwers.
Of course not. A check of his 1994 game logs shows that he was removed intra-inning only 5 times, and never after a HBP. I have no idea where that obvious mistake came from.
This game?
He did hit Sanders in the 8th to spoil the perfecto, but he wasn't removed until the 9th after giving up a leadoff hit to Brian Dorsett to spoil the no-no.
When he first came up, he had terrible vision, but didn't wear glasses or contacts on the mound. So this young wildman with a 100 MPH fastball would take the mound, lean forward, and squint his eyes to get the catcher's signals.
That could not have been fun for the batter.
Ten Pretty Scary Guys:
Carl Mays
Johnny Allen
The young Bob Feller
Sal Maglie
Ryne Duren
Don Drysdale
Bob Gibson
Nolan Ryan
Randy Johnson (in his early wild days on the Mariners, especially against lefthanders)
Pedro Martinez (whenever he felt like it, not on days when he didn't need it)
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