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Wednesday, September 19, 2007

S.I. Who is the smartest person in baseball?

[Based on a survey of 469 MLB Players as they were leaving the latest Triple Nine Society meeting]

Greg Maddux, Padres P….10%
Billy Beane, A’s G.M…..9%
Tony La Russa, Cards manager…..5%
Brad Ausmus, Astros C…..5%
Bobby Cox, Braves manager…..4%
Terry Ryan, Twins G.M…..3%
Derek Jeter, Yankees SS…..3%
Omar Minaya, Mets G.M…..3%
John Schuerholz, Braves G.M…..3%
Tom Glavine, Mets P…..2%

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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:38 PM (#2532283)
Billy Beane never should have organized this survey.
   2. scareduck Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:40 PM (#2532285)
Greg Maddux shouldn't have written that book about the A's.
   3. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:40 PM (#2532286)
Greg Maddux! Awesome! Billy Beane! Take that Griffin! Brad Ausmus! I think Craig Biggio stuffed the ballot!
   4. Guapo Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:41 PM (#2532291)
This thread is worthless without SAT scores.
   5. Kyle S Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:42 PM (#2532292)
I love bobby cox, but he ain't the smartest person in baseball.
   6. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:42 PM (#2532295)
hey, Mike Mussina has a degree from Stanford!

... oh, it was in economics. Never mind.
   7. RB in NYC (Now with New Running Goal!) Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:43 PM (#2532298)
No love for Chris Young (Princeton), Mark DeRosa (UPenn) or Joe Girardi and Mark Loretta (Northwestern)? Harsh.
   8. Michael Kay Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:43 PM (#2532299)
I'm sorry, but that's ludicrous. Ludicrous! If you watch the Yankees every day, it's obvious that Derek Jeter is the smartest ballplayer around. It's really what separates him from everyone else. Offensively, defensively, his head is always in the game. I don't know who organized this poll, but if you talk to his peers, players on other teams, they all look up to him.

Who was the smartest player you ever played with, Kenny?
   9. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:45 PM (#2532304)
We should point out that the math was done by Manny Ramirez.
   10. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:45 PM (#2532307)
Vicente Padilla got the highest percentage among voters who were visibly intoxicated at the time of the survey.
   11. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:47 PM (#2532310)
Who was the smartest player you ever played with, Kenny?

if I had the time, I would register as Singleton and say something about Eddie Murray

still, that's pretty freakin funny. Kudos.
   12. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:48 PM (#2532311)
I'm sure the other 53% went to the late, lamented Youppi!, whose past-tense status prevented him from winning.
   13. Don Guillote (The Cheat) Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2532314)
would love to see the counterpoint to this question...
   14. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:50 PM (#2532316)
Maddux is a worthy winner, but only because Carl Everett is now out of baseball.
   15. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:51 PM (#2532317)
anybody else find it a little disconcerting that 9 out of the top 10 are ... uh ... white?

EDIT: make that 8 1/2, but it would be 9 in Gary Sheffield's book
   16. Craig Calcaterra Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:54 PM (#2532322)
anybody else find it a little disconcerting that 9 out of the top 10 are ... uh ... white?


Considering that Kyle Farnsworth would likely place first in the stupid poll, I think it evens out.
   17. ess eff Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2532323)
Where's Doug Glanville when you need him.

(And, no, that's not intended as a response to #15)
   18. Doris from Rego Park Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:55 PM (#2532325)
How can Fulbright Scholar Todd Jones fail to make the list?
   19. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2532329)
I just think they cooked the books a bit by including GMs. I would be much more interested in seeing whom people thought were the smartest players and managers.
   20. AndrewJ Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:58 PM (#2532330)
George Will's the smartest person in baseball.

I mean, he told me so himself.
   21. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:00 PM (#2532332)
would love to see the counterpoint to this question...

Here ya go.

BTW I am genuinely shocked to see Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey on the 2003 responses to that question. Along with, yes, Kyle Farnsworth.

Here we see an analysis of the results in terms of how racist they are. It is pointed out that, yes, Kyle Farnsworth is the only white guy among the top 10 in "gets the least from the most talent".
   22. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:02 PM (#2532336)
Also not a single white guy on the "Best-dressed player" list.
   23. Boots Day Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:02 PM (#2532337)
Yeah, you'll notice that there are no Latinos on there, with the exception of Omar Minaya. I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.
   24. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:03 PM (#2532339)
20. The current drug-testing policy ...
Is adequate as is 40.7%


highest of high comedy
   25. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:05 PM (#2532341)
I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.

I would venture that Pedro, Carlos Delgado, and Ichiro would all fit on this list
   26. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:08 PM (#2532345)
Zack Greinke got jobbed.

Granted, Zack has the "insane" smarts more than anything else
   27. Zack F Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:08 PM (#2532346)
Is Miguel Batista still writing poetry?
   28. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:08 PM (#2532347)
So feuding with your team's starting catcher and poisoning your offensive support every time out for eight years is a sign of brilliance? I'm going to say no.
   29. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:10 PM (#2532348)
Greg Maddux might be on there for his beautiful mind.
   30. Craig Calcaterra Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:11 PM (#2532351)
Or Julio Franco. Remember the story Bill James tells about him in NBJHBA? Every time I see Julio I picture him reading a Wall Street Journal.
   31. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:11 PM (#2532352)
This thread is worthless without SAT scores.



I bet mine is highest.





(Take that dinosaurs! Long live the new SAT, with its 2400 point scale!)
   32. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:16 PM (#2532355)
Long live the new SAT, with its 2400 point scale!

bah, you didn't have to do analogies. That's like having a pre-integration record.
   33. Roy Hobbs of WIFFLE Ball Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:19 PM (#2532356)
It says something about baseball that the smartest guy in the game thinks it's funny to pee on rookies in the shower.

Oh, wait. That IS funny. But, still. Only in baseball.
   34. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:20 PM (#2532357)
I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.

Pedro is so smart that his brain doesn't fit into his head and he needs to have a tiny man follow him around carrying the rest of it.
   35. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:24 PM (#2532361)
So feuding with your team's starting catcher and poisoning your offensive support every time out for eight years is a sign of brilliance? I'm going to say no.

Look who took time out from beating off to the Russ Ortiz poster over his bed.
   36. villainx Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:27 PM (#2532366)
I think the list should have more owners and managers that continually field poor playing teams and who receive mad dollars from revenue sharing and MLB. There is a genius to that.
   37. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:37 PM (#2532376)
Look who took time out from beating off to the Russ Ortiz poster over his bed.

A little sensitive today? A guess the truth hurts sometimes.
   38. Mushmouth Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:44 PM (#2532379)
Pedro is an amazingly smart man. I would assume Chris R Young is also a very smart man.

I have heard from multiple sources that Carlos Delgado and Carlos Guillen are very intelligent individuals.

And John Kruk. A man so smart no mere mortal can understand his theories on pitching prowess.
   39. Joe Bivens, Schmoo from Massachoosetts Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:03 PM (#2532392)
Jack Keefe. Now close the thread.
   40. Sweet Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:13 PM (#2532395)
He hasn't seen time in the bigs this season, but Red Sox AAA farmhand Craig Breslow majored in molecular biophysics and biochemistry at Yale; that's not proof of intelligence, but it does evidence a strong commitment to learning.

Harry Ausmus (a college philosophy professor) is in the running as smartest *father* of a major leaguer. He probably hits better than his son, too.
   41. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Molina Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:16 PM (#2532400)
I thought the smartest person was Harvey's Wallbangers.
   42. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:19 PM (#2532402)
Harvey's Wallbangers is the smartest person.
   43. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:22 PM (#2532403)
You disappoint me, Robert. Is Joey B. writing your comebacks?
   44. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:23 PM (#2532404)
Harry Ausmus (a college philosophy professor) is in the running as smartest *father* of a major leaguer.

he would have to compete with Ross Newhan, father of David
   45. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:23 PM (#2532405)
Feh! None of them are Moe Berg.
   46. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:30 PM (#2532410)
   47. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:31 PM (#2532415)
what about Milton Bradley completing the New York Times crossword in 10 minutes?
   48. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:35 PM (#2532418)
what about Milton Bradley completing the New York Times crossword in 10 minutes?

Really? That's impressive.
   49. Srul Itza Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:36 PM (#2532420)
Not if it was the Tuesday puzzle. Now if it was Friday or Saturday, that would be impressive.
   50. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:42 PM (#2532422)
Mike Marshall voted for Mike Marshall.
   51. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:42 PM (#2532425)
You disappoint me, Robert. Is Joey B. writing your comebacks?

Weird. No idea who you are and you seem to be addressing me as if we know each other or have a history.

Moving along...
   52. Rodder Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:48 PM (#2532431)
I would say the dumbest players were the 1.5% who answered Babe Ruth as the Greatest Living Player in the link posted in #21 above.
   53. AROM Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:58 PM (#2532440)
I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.


Pedro in his prime was Greg Maddux with a fastball. Now he's just the latin Greg Maddux.
   54. Esoteric Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:58 PM (#2532441)
#48 - It's a joke. (A lame one, from the Serious Sports Network.)
   55. AROM Posted: September 19, 2007 at 10:03 PM (#2532443)
it says something about baseball that the smartest guy in the game thinks it's funny to pee on rookies in the shower.

Oh, wait. That IS funny. But, still. Only in baseball.


Check their injury rates before and after the Maddux pee. Like Moises Alou, he's found its healing powers and is sharing with his teammates. What a generous guy.
   56. Duffy Duff Posted: September 19, 2007 at 10:52 PM (#2532518)
Seriously, I seem to remember that A Soriano won a players poll as the smartest player in baseball. When I heard that, I was dumbfounded, as he certainly doesn't 'play' very smart. Does anyone recall where that came from?
   57. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: September 19, 2007 at 10:53 PM (#2532520)
Weird. No idea who you are and you seem to be addressing me as if we know each other or have a history.

You're definitely better off just ignoring him. He's a real head case and a loser who makes up these weird nicknames for the players and liveblogs every single game during the season.
   58. greenback Posted: September 19, 2007 at 11:03 PM (#2532535)
Yeah, you'll notice that there are no Latinos on there, with the exception of Omar Minaya. I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.


In spite of his snap at Glavine last year, Pujols is pretty bright too. I'd guess he's smarter than LaRussa, law degree or not.
   59. aleskel Posted: September 19, 2007 at 11:44 PM (#2532659)
Seriously, I seem to remember that A Soriano won a players poll as the smartest player in baseball. When I heard that, I was dumbfounded, as he certainly doesn't 'play' very smart. Does anyone recall where that came from?

I know that Soriano speaks close-to-fluent Japanese, which he learned from all the years he spent playing in Japan. I have no idea how smart he is, but that's certainly impressive
   60. Rich Rifkin I Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:01 AM (#2532709)
what about Milton Bradley completing the New York Times crossword in 10 minutes?
If you've ever heard Milton interviewed, he's not stupid. He's crazy, of course. But his intellect is well above average.

FWIW, I can work the NY Times crossword puzzle in this many minutes:

Monday -- 8-10 minutes
Tuesday -- 10-12 minutes
Wednesday -- 20-25 minutes
Thursday* -- 30-45 minutes
Friday* -- 45-60 minutes
Saturday* -- ???

* I need to use my dictionary and occassionally other reference books after Wednesday. The Saturday puzzle, which I rarely work, tends to have very long answers along the top and bottom three rows. If I can get those, it isn't that hard a puzzle. If not, I can't solve it.
   61. JoeC Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:09 AM (#2532741)
Too bad Jason Szuminski never made it back to the bigs.
   62. robinred Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:38 AM (#2532847)
FWIW, I can work the NY Times crossword puzzle in this many minutes:

Monday -- 8-10 minutes
Tuesday -- 10-12 minutes
Wednesday -- 20-25 minutes
Thursday* -- 30-45 minutes
Friday* -- 45-60 minutes
Saturday* -- ???


How'd you do on the SAT?
   63. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:42 AM (#2532862)
Feh! None of them are Moe Berg.

Of course, Moe Berg really wasn't Moe Berg either.
   64. Gamingboy Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:42 AM (#2532864)
While it is true that not one of those guys is as smart as Moe Berg (who, had he wanted too, could have become the first Jewish President, become Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, win the Nobel Prize and still have room to teach a college class in languages), I have to agree with the choice of Greg Maddux, although it should be noted that it is entirely possible his brother is smarter (but then again, it's like being the brother of Sherlock Holmes).
   65. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:42 AM (#2532866)
Sam Perlozzo, for getting himself fired so he wouldn't have to watch this piece of crap team every day.
   66. CFBF Hates Hyphens Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:51 AM (#2532897)
There was this very vocal group of Braves fans in 2003 who really seemed to loathe Maddux by the time he left. It remains one of the most bewildering phenomena I've ever witnessed. That someone could watch Greg Maddux pitch for his team for a decade and come away only with hatred and bitterness toward the man...it stupified me then, and it still does today. One would think that if the price of watching Greg Maddux practice his craft every fifth day was having to watch Eddie Perez try to hit, well, that would be easy to pay. Evidently not.
   67. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:02 AM (#2532938)
...become Chief Justice of the Supreme Court...

If Moe were here, he'd doubtless be the first to point out that there is no such office.
   68. Designated Sitter (GGC) Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:20 AM (#2533015)
Mycroft Holmes was no slouch himself.
   69. Red Menace Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:32 AM (#2533061)
No love for Boras?
   70. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:35 AM (#2533076)
If Moe were here, he'd doubtless be the first to point out that there is no such office.


Read this as "orifice"
   71. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:40 AM (#2533089)
Mycroft Holmes was no slouch himself.


Neither was Aberforth Dumbledore.
   72. franoscar Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:54 AM (#2533141)
Soriano made a nice throw tonight.

Bruntlett, who plays for the Astros, is known for being intelligent. His parents have PhD's.

Curtis Granderson is no slouch. His parents are teachers.

I find I can usually do the Friday & Saturday puzzle if I work at it.
   73. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:57 AM (#2533154)
I've actually never done a crossword puzzle.
   74. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:58 AM (#2533157)
I do the Jumble
   75. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: September 20, 2007 at 03:19 AM (#2533312)
Jeff Francis.
   76. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit Posted: September 20, 2007 at 03:20 AM (#2533313)
Or any of the Japanese players. You know how smart those guys are.
   77. Cutter Posted: September 20, 2007 at 04:07 AM (#2533333)
Isn't Ichiro supposed to be brilliant? I know he can speak about 7 different languages.

Is Steve Phillips on the list? I guess you have to be in baseball and not an analyst, huh......
   78. Greg (U)K Posted: September 20, 2007 at 04:38 AM (#2533347)
I'm shocked no one's as outraged as me that there are no white guys on the best dressed list...COME ON!
   79. DCW3 Posted: September 20, 2007 at 04:44 AM (#2533348)
I remember reading a quote from Maddux some years ago where he said something like, "If you're a pitcher with good control, everybody thinks you're smart."
   80. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: September 20, 2007 at 05:02 AM (#2533357)
Isn't Ichiro supposed to be brilliant? I know he can speak about 7 different languages.


I've never heard about him speaking anything other than Japanese and English. He does have his own quiz show kind of thing in Japan during the off season, though. I've seen clips, but I can't figure out exactly how it works. It seems to be more of a word association-based format than a test of knowledge, from what I can tell.
   81. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: September 20, 2007 at 05:30 AM (#2533360)
I remember reading a quote from Maddux some years ago where he said something like, "If you're a pitcher with good control, everybody thinks you're smart."

I think people make the false assumption that Maddux has had this remarkable career without having great stuff. They figure he has to be a genius because he has 340+ wins without a 90+ MPH fastball. In reality, Maddux has great stuff. It's just not particularly hard.

In his one outing against the Mets in 2007, he dominated them more than any other pitcher that I can remember off the top of my head.
   82. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: September 20, 2007 at 05:36 AM (#2533362)
Don't ask me how I know this because the story is wild, but Heath Bell is the smartest player in baseball.
   83. Russlan will never be fond of Jason Bay Posted: September 20, 2007 at 05:39 AM (#2533363)
You are such a tease.
   84. Nathan Kunkel Posted: September 20, 2007 at 09:13 AM (#2533372)
"Maddux has great stuff. It's just not particularly hard."

There's drugs for this..
   85. pv nasby Posted: September 20, 2007 at 09:17 AM (#2533373)
Mycroft Holmes was no slouch himself.


Oh please. He was a tremendous slouch.
   86. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: September 20, 2007 at 10:00 AM (#2533377)
69. Red Menace Posted: September 19, 2007 at 10:32 PM (#2533061)
No love for Boras?


Well if you think about it, he is no different than you or I.
All he does is watch baseball and then debate it. He probably gets paid more per year than Arod to do it, but yeah. No different. He just has connections.

He could be Andy for all you know.

Scott gets my vote.
   87. Handle's Messiah Posted: September 20, 2007 at 10:56 AM (#2533384)
Barry Bonds.

/ducks.
   88. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 20, 2007 at 11:22 AM (#2533394)
"If you're a pitcher with good control, everybody thinks you're smart."

You mean like David Wells?
   89. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: September 20, 2007 at 11:23 AM (#2533396)
Of course it's Maddux. He wears glasses.
   90. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 20, 2007 at 11:29 AM (#2533397)
Barry Bonds.

Baseball-wise, I think Barry's a genius. Off the field...not so much.

No votes for DePo, or were computers excluded from the poll?
   91. Gaylord Perry the Platypus (oi!) Posted: September 20, 2007 at 11:37 AM (#2533402)
One would think that if the price of watching Greg Maddux practice his craft every fifth day was having to watch Eddie Perez try to hit, well, that would be easy to pay.

In reality, it made a lot of sense to use the backup catcher for Maddux's starts. You need to give your starter days off, and what better day to take the offensive hit than the day with your ace going?
   92. The District Attorney Posted: September 20, 2007 at 11:44 AM (#2533406)
Oh, God forbid you could discuss the Jumbles!
   93. CFiJ Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:53 PM (#2533458)
He does have his own quiz show kind of thing in Japan during the off season, though. I've seen clips, but I can't figure out exactly how it works. It seems to be more of a word association-based format than a test of knowledge, from what I can tell.


Well, it's a talk show, not a quiz show. I suppose the media thinks it's a quiz show because the title is "Ichiro-Versus", but in Japan "vs" is often used to represent ? tai, which is indeed used for competitive match-ups (Taigaazu tai Doragonzu), but used in this case to mean "opposite" - in other words, two people having a discussion.
   94. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:10 PM (#2533470)
Or Julio Franco. Remember the story Bill James tells about him in NBJHBA? Every time I see Julio I picture him reading a Wall Street Journal.


I remember James writing about Franco too, but wasn't Franco reading The Boys' Magazine?
   95. Dan Szymborski Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:16 PM (#2533473)

I suppose the media thinks it's a quiz show because the title is "Ichiro-Versus"


Actually, the media probably think it's a quiz show because someone told them it was - I doubt most of the American media simply have an erroneous interpretation of ?!
   96. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:31 PM (#2533485)
Monday -- 8-10 minutes

Me too...but then I don't use the "Across" clues. Arf!
   97. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory) Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:33 PM (#2533491)
Every time I see Julio I picture him reading a Wall Street Journal.

Yes, upside-down.
   98. PreservedFish Posted: September 20, 2007 at 02:28 PM (#2533556)
* I need to use my dictionary and occassionally other reference books after Wednesday.


But that's cheating, right?
   99. robinred Posted: September 20, 2007 at 02:30 PM (#2533557)
But that's cheating, right?


Not sure. Andy and Gaelan will know, though.
   100. Shooty: Applying to be Fearless Leader Posted: September 20, 2007 at 02:33 PM (#2533563)
Corssword puzzles. Jumbles. They're cool, I guess. But I like my word games more REAL! It's October! Word search time!
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