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Wednesday, September 19, 2007

S.I. Who is the smartest person in baseball?

[Based on a survey of 469 MLB Players as they were leaving the latest Triple Nine Society meeting]

Greg Maddux, Padres P....10%
Billy Beane, A’s G.M.....9%
Tony La Russa, Cards manager.....5%
Brad Ausmus, Astros C.....5%
Bobby Cox, Braves manager.....4%
Terry Ryan, Twins G.M.....3%
Derek Jeter, Yankees SS.....3%
Omar Minaya, Mets G.M.....3%
John Schuerholz, Braves G.M.....3%
Tom Glavine, Mets P.....2%

Repoz Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:24 PM | 105 comment(s)
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:38 PM (#2532283)
Billy Beane never should have organized this survey.
   2. scareduck  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:40 PM (#2532285)
Greg Maddux shouldn't have written that book about the A's.
   3. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:40 PM (#2532286)
Greg Maddux! Awesome! Billy Beane! Take that Griffin! Brad Ausmus! I think Craig Biggio stuffed the ballot!
   4. Guapo  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:41 PM (#2532291)
This thread is worthless without SAT scores.
   5. Kyle S  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:42 PM (#2532292)
I love bobby cox, but he ain't the smartest person in baseball.
   6. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:42 PM (#2532295)
hey, Mike Mussina has a degree from Stanford!

... oh, it was in economics. Never mind.
   7. RB in NYC (Now with Resolutions!)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:43 PM (#2532298)
No love for Chris Young (Princeton), Mark DeRosa (UPenn) or Joe Girardi and Mark Loretta (Northwestern)? Harsh.
   8. Michael Kay  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:43 PM (#2532299)
I'm sorry, but that's ludicrous. Ludicrous! If you watch the Yankees every day, it's obvious that Derek Jeter is the smartest ballplayer around. It's really what separates him from everyone else. Offensively, defensively, his head is always in the game. I don't know who organized this poll, but if you talk to his peers, players on other teams, they all look up to him.

Who was the smartest player you ever played with, Kenny?
   9. Hang down your head, Tom Foley  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:45 PM (#2532304)
We should point out that the math was done by Manny Ramirez.
   10. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:45 PM (#2532307)
Vicente Padilla got the highest percentage among voters who were visibly intoxicated at the time of the survey.
   11. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:47 PM (#2532310)
Who was the smartest player you ever played with, Kenny?

if I had the time, I would register as Singleton and say something about Eddie Murray

still, that's pretty freakin funny. Kudos.
   12. Dewey, Local Boy and Soupuss  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:48 PM (#2532311)
I'm sure the other 53% went to the late, lamented Youppi!, whose past-tense status prevented him from winning.
   13. Don Guillote (The Cheat)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:50 PM (#2532314)
would love to see the counterpoint to this question...
   14. AlouGoodbye  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:50 PM (#2532316)
Maddux is a worthy winner, but only because Carl Everett is now out of baseball.
   15. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:51 PM (#2532317)
anybody else find it a little disconcerting that 9 out of the top 10 are ... uh ... white?

EDIT: make that 8 1/2, but it would be 9 in Gary Sheffield's book
   16. Craig Calcaterra  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:54 PM (#2532322)
anybody else find it a little disconcerting that 9 out of the top 10 are ... uh ... white?


Considering that Kyle Farnsworth would likely place first in the stupid poll, I think it evens out.
   17. ess eff  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:55 PM (#2532323)
Where's Doug Glanville when you need him.

(And, no, that's not intended as a response to #15)
   18. Doris from Rego Park  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:55 PM (#2532325)
How can Fulbright Scholar Todd Jones fail to make the list?
   19. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:58 PM (#2532329)
I just think they cooked the books a bit by including GMs. I would be much more interested in seeing whom people thought were the smartest players and managers.
   20. AndrewJ  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 03:58 PM (#2532330)
George Will's the smartest person in baseball.

I mean, he told me so himself.
   21. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:00 PM (#2532332)
would love to see the counterpoint to this question...

Here ya go.

BTW I am genuinely shocked to see Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey on the 2003 responses to that question. Along with, yes, Kyle Farnsworth.

Here we see an analysis of the results in terms of how racist they are. It is pointed out that, yes, Kyle Farnsworth is the only white guy among the top 10 in "gets the least from the most talent".
   22. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:02 PM (#2532336)
Also not a single white guy on the "Best-dressed player" list.
   23. Boots Day  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:02 PM (#2532337)
Yeah, you'll notice that there are no Latinos on there, with the exception of Omar Minaya. I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.
   24. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:03 PM (#2532339)
20. The current drug-testing policy ...
Is adequate as is 40.7%


highest of high comedy
   25. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:05 PM (#2532341)
I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.

I would venture that Pedro, Carlos Delgado, and Ichiro would all fit on this list
   26. Brandon in MO (Fire Trey Hillman)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:08 PM (#2532345)
Zack Greinke got jobbed.

Granted, Zack has the "insane" smarts more than anything else
   27. Zack F  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:08 PM (#2532346)
Is Miguel Batista still writing poetry?
   28. Robert in Manhattan Beach (nee Redondo)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:08 PM (#2532347)
So feuding with your team's starting catcher and poisoning your offensive support every time out for eight years is a sign of brilliance? I'm going to say no.
   29. Brandon in MO (Fire Trey Hillman)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:10 PM (#2532348)
Greg Maddux might be on there for his beautiful mind.
   30. Craig Calcaterra  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:11 PM (#2532351)
Or Julio Franco. Remember the story Bill James tells about him in NBJHBA? Every time I see Julio I picture him reading a Wall Street Journal.
   31. Zooooooook (jonathan)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:11 PM (#2532352)
This thread is worthless without SAT scores.



I bet mine is highest.





(Take that dinosaurs! Long live the new SAT, with its 2400 point scale!)
   32. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:16 PM (#2532355)
Long live the new SAT, with its 2400 point scale!

bah, you didn't have to do analogies. That's like having a pre-integration record.
   33. Roy Hobbs of WIFFLE Ball  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:19 PM (#2532356)
It says something about baseball that the smartest guy in the game thinks it's funny to pee on rookies in the shower.

Oh, wait. That IS funny. But, still. Only in baseball.
   34. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:20 PM (#2532357)
I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.

Pedro is so smart that his brain doesn't fit into his head and he needs to have a tiny man follow him around carrying the rest of it.
   35. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:24 PM (#2532361)
So feuding with your team's starting catcher and poisoning your offensive support every time out for eight years is a sign of brilliance? I'm going to say no.

Look who took time out from beating off to the Russ Ortiz poster over his bed.
   36. villainx  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:27 PM (#2532366)
I think the list should have more owners and managers that continually field poor playing teams and who receive mad dollars from revenue sharing and MLB. There is a genius to that.
   37. Robert in Manhattan Beach (nee Redondo)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:37 PM (#2532376)
Look who took time out from beating off to the Russ Ortiz poster over his bed.

A little sensitive today? A guess the truth hurts sometimes.
   38. Mushmouth  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 04:44 PM (#2532379)
Pedro is an amazingly smart man. I would assume Chris R Young is also a very smart man.

I have heard from multiple sources that Carlos Delgado and Carlos Guillen are very intelligent individuals.

And John Kruk. A man so smart no mere mortal can understand his theories on pitching prowess.
   39. Fumbduck Joe Bivens  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:03 PM (#2532392)
Jack Keefe. Now close the thread.
   40. Sweet  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:13 PM (#2532395)
He hasn't seen time in the bigs this season, but Red Sox AAA farmhand Craig Breslow majored in molecular biophysics and biochemistry at Yale; that's not proof of intelligence, but it does evidence a strong commitment to learning.

Harry Ausmus (a college philosophy professor) is in the running as smartest *father* of a major leaguer. He probably hits better than his son, too.
   41. Rafael Bellylard has become a Mets fan!  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:16 PM (#2532400)
I thought the smartest person was Harvey's Wallbangers.
   42. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:19 PM (#2532402)
Harvey's Wallbangers is the smartest person.
   43. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:22 PM (#2532403)
You disappoint me, Robert. Is Joey B. writing your comebacks?
   44. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:23 PM (#2532404)
Harry Ausmus (a college philosophy professor) is in the running as smartest *father* of a major leaguer.

he would have to compete with Ross Newhan, father of David
   45. Misirlou had a hedge back home in the suburbs  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:23 PM (#2532405)
Feh! None of them are Moe Berg.
   46. Crispix Attacks is in the best shape of his life.  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:30 PM (#2532410)
   47. Gambling Rent Czar  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:31 PM (#2532415)
what about Milton Bradley completing the New York Times crossword in 10 minutes?
   48. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:35 PM (#2532418)
what about Milton Bradley completing the New York Times crossword in 10 minutes?

Really? That's impressive.
   49. Srul Itza  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:36 PM (#2532420)
Not if it was the Tuesday puzzle. Now if it was Friday or Saturday, that would be impressive.
   50. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:42 PM (#2532422)
Mike Marshall voted for Mike Marshall.
   51. Robert in Manhattan Beach (nee Redondo)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:42 PM (#2532425)
You disappoint me, Robert. Is Joey B. writing your comebacks?

Weird. No idea who you are and you seem to be addressing me as if we know each other or have a history.

Moving along...
   52. Rodder  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:48 PM (#2532431)
I would say the dumbest players were the 1.5% who answered Babe Ruth as the Greatest Living Player in the link posted in #21 above.
   53. AROM  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:58 PM (#2532440)
I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.


Pedro in his prime was Greg Maddux with a fastball. Now he's just the latin Greg Maddux.
   54. Dedicated to Esoteric but he wasn't listening  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 05:58 PM (#2532441)
#48 - It's a joke. (A lame one, from the Serious Sports Network.)
   55. AROM  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 06:03 PM (#2532443)
it says something about baseball that the smartest guy in the game thinks it's funny to pee on rookies in the shower.

Oh, wait. That IS funny. But, still. Only in baseball.


Check their injury rates before and after the Maddux pee. Like Moises Alou, he's found its healing powers and is sharing with his teammates. What a generous guy.
   56. Duffy Duff  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 06:52 PM (#2532518)
Seriously, I seem to remember that A Soriano won a players poll as the smartest player in baseball. When I heard that, I was dumbfounded, as he certainly doesn't 'play' very smart. Does anyone recall where that came from?
   57. Joey B.  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 06:53 PM (#2532520)
Weird. No idea who you are and you seem to be addressing me as if we know each other or have a history.

You're definitely better off just ignoring him. He's a real head case and a loser who makes up these weird nicknames for the players and liveblogs every single game during the season.
   58. greenback  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:03 PM (#2532535)
Yeah, you'll notice that there are no Latinos on there, with the exception of Omar Minaya. I get the sense that Pedro Martinez is as smart as anyone, but people don't really notice because of his accent.


In spite of his snap at Glavine last year, Pujols is pretty bright too. I'd guess he's smarter than LaRussa, law degree or not.
   59. aleskel  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 07:44 PM (#2532659)
Seriously, I seem to remember that A Soriano won a players poll as the smartest player in baseball. When I heard that, I was dumbfounded, as he certainly doesn't 'play' very smart. Does anyone recall where that came from?

I know that Soriano speaks close-to-fluent Japanese, which he learned from all the years he spent playing in Japan. I have no idea how smart he is, but that's certainly impressive
   60. Rich Rifkin I  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:01 PM (#2532709)
what about Milton Bradley completing the New York Times crossword in 10 minutes?
If you've ever heard Milton interviewed, he's not stupid. He's crazy, of course. But his intellect is well above average.

FWIW, I can work the NY Times crossword puzzle in this many minutes:

Monday -- 8-10 minutes
Tuesday -- 10-12 minutes
Wednesday -- 20-25 minutes
Thursday* -- 30-45 minutes
Friday* -- 45-60 minutes
Saturday* -- ???

* I need to use my dictionary and occassionally other reference books after Wednesday. The Saturday puzzle, which I rarely work, tends to have very long answers along the top and bottom three rows. If I can get those, it isn't that hard a puzzle. If not, I can't solve it.
   61. JoeC  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:09 PM (#2532741)
Too bad Jason Szuminski never made it back to the bigs.
   62. robinred  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:38 PM (#2532847)
FWIW, I can work the NY Times crossword puzzle in this many minutes:

Monday -- 8-10 minutes
Tuesday -- 10-12 minutes
Wednesday -- 20-25 minutes
Thursday* -- 30-45 minutes
Friday* -- 45-60 minutes
Saturday* -- ???


How'd you do on the SAT?
   63. what the hell, just use your initials or something  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2532862)
Feh! None of them are Moe Berg.

Of course, Moe Berg really wasn't Moe Berg either.
   64. Gamingboy  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2532864)
While it is true that not one of those guys is as smart as Moe Berg (who, had he wanted too, could have become the first Jewish President, become Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, win the Nobel Prize and still have room to teach a college class in languages), I have to agree with the choice of Greg Maddux, although it should be noted that it is entirely possible his brother is smarter (but then again, it's like being the brother of Sherlock Holmes).
   65. David Nieporent (now, with child)  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:42 PM (#2532866)
Sam Perlozzo, for getting himself fired so he wouldn't have to watch this piece of crap team every day.
   66. CFBF: Now With the Dan Werr Seal of Approval  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 08:51 PM (#2532897)
There was this very vocal group of Braves fans in 2003 who really seemed to loathe Maddux by the time he left. It remains one of the most bewildering phenomena I've ever witnessed. That someone could watch Greg Maddux pitch for his team for a decade and come away only with hatred and bitterness toward the man...it stupified me then, and it still does today. One would think that if the price of watching Greg Maddux practice his craft every fifth day was having to watch Eddie Perez try to hit, well, that would be easy to pay. Evidently not.
   67. what the hell, just use your initials or something  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:02 PM (#2532938)
...become Chief Justice of the Supreme Court...

If Moe were here, he'd doubtless be the first to point out that there is no such office.
   68. Superunknown Gary Geiger Counter  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:20 PM (#2533015)
Mycroft Holmes was no slouch himself.
   69. Red Menace  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:32 PM (#2533061)
No love for Boras?
   70. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!!  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:35 PM (#2533076)
If Moe were here, he'd doubtless be the first to point out that there is no such office.


Read this as "orifice"
   71. Misirlou had a hedge back home in the suburbs  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:40 PM (#2533089)
Mycroft Holmes was no slouch himself.


Neither was Aberforth Dumbledore.
   72. franoscar  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:54 PM (#2533141)
Soriano made a nice throw tonight.

Bruntlett, who plays for the Astros, is known for being intelligent. His parents have PhD's.

Curtis Granderson is no slouch. His parents are teachers.

I find I can usually do the Friday & Saturday puzzle if I work at it.
   73. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!!  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:57 PM (#2533154)
I've actually never done a crossword puzzle.
   74. Misirlou had a hedge back home in the suburbs  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 09:58 PM (#2533157)
I do the Jumble
   75. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 11:19 PM (#2533312)
Jeff Francis.
   76. Miko Supports Shane's Spam Habit  Posted: September 19, 2007 at 11:20 PM (#2533313)
Or any of the Japanese players. You know how smart those guys are.
   77. Cutter  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:07 AM (#2533333)
Isn't Ichiro supposed to be brilliant? I know he can speak about 7 different languages.

Is Steve Phillips on the list? I guess you have to be in baseball and not an analyst, huh......
   78. Greg K : President of the Shooty Fanclub  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:38 AM (#2533347)
I'm shocked no one's as outraged as me that there are no white guys on the best dressed list...COME ON!
   79. DCW3   Posted: September 20, 2007 at 12:44 AM (#2533348)
I remember reading a quote from Maddux some years ago where he said something like, "If you're a pitcher with good control, everybody thinks you're smart."
   80. Teddy F. Ballgame  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:02 AM (#2533357)
Isn't Ichiro supposed to be brilliant? I know he can speak about 7 different languages.


I've never heard about him speaking anything other than Japanese and English. He does have his own quiz show kind of thing in Japan during the off season, though. I've seen clips, but I can't figure out exactly how it works. It seems to be more of a word association-based format than a test of knowledge, from what I can tell.
   81. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:30 AM (#2533360)
I remember reading a quote from Maddux some years ago where he said something like, "If you're a pitcher with good control, everybody thinks you're smart."

I think people make the false assumption that Maddux has had this remarkable career without having great stuff. They figure he has to be a genius because he has 340+ wins without a 90+ MPH fastball. In reality, Maddux has great stuff. It's just not particularly hard.

In his one outing against the Mets in 2007, he dominated them more than any other pitcher that I can remember off the top of my head.
   82. Zuvella!  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:36 AM (#2533362)
Don't ask me how I know this because the story is wild, but Heath Bell is the smartest player in baseball.
   83. Russlan wants Pedro to be a Met again  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 01:39 AM (#2533363)
You are such a tease.
   84. Nathan Kunkel  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 05:13 AM (#2533372)
"Maddux has great stuff. It's just not particularly hard."

There's drugs for this..
   85. pv nasby  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 05:17 AM (#2533373)
Mycroft Holmes was no slouch himself.


Oh please. He was a tremendous slouch.
   86. Gambling Rent Czar  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 06:00 AM (#2533377)
69. Red Menace Posted: September 19, 2007 at 10:32 PM (#2533061)
No love for Boras?


Well if you think about it, he is no different than you or I.
All he does is watch baseball and then debate it. He probably gets paid more per year than Arod to do it, but yeah. No different. He just has connections.

He could be Andy for all you know.

Scott gets my vote.
   87. Handle's Messiah  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 06:56 AM (#2533384)
Barry Bonds.

/ducks.
   88. what the hell, just use your initials or something  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 07:22 AM (#2533394)
"If you're a pitcher with good control, everybody thinks you're smart."

You mean like David Wells?
   89. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory)  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 07:23 AM (#2533396)
Of course it's Maddux. He wears glasses.
   90. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 07:29 AM (#2533397)
Barry Bonds.

Baseball-wise, I think Barry's a genius. Off the field...not so much.

No votes for DePo, or were computers excluded from the poll?
   91. Insert clever/punny handle here (oi!)  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 07:37 AM (#2533402)
One would think that if the price of watching Greg Maddux practice his craft every fifth day was having to watch Eddie Perez try to hit, well, that would be easy to pay.

In reality, it made a lot of sense to use the backup catcher for Maddux's starts. You need to give your starter days off, and what better day to take the offensive hit than the day with your ace going?
   92. The District Attorney  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 07:44 AM (#2533406)
Oh, God forbid you could discuss the Jumbles!
   93. CFiJ  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 08:53 AM (#2533458)
He does have his own quiz show kind of thing in Japan during the off season, though. I've seen clips, but I can't figure out exactly how it works. It seems to be more of a word association-based format than a test of knowledge, from what I can tell.


Well, it's a talk show, not a quiz show. I suppose the media thinks it's a quiz show because the title is "Ichiro-Versus", but in Japan "vs" is often used to represent 対 tai, which is indeed used for competitive match-ups (Taigaazu tai Doragonzu), but used in this case to mean "opposite" - in other words, two people having a discussion.
   94. Pat Rapper's Delight  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 09:10 AM (#2533470)
Or Julio Franco. Remember the story Bill James tells about him in NBJHBA? Every time I see Julio I picture him reading a Wall Street Journal.


I remember James writing about Franco too, but wasn't Franco reading The Boys' Magazine?
   95. Dan Szymborski  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 09:16 AM (#2533473)

I suppose the media thinks it's a quiz show because the title is "Ichiro-Versus"


Actually, the media probably think it's a quiz show because someone told them it was - I doubt most of the American media simply have an erroneous interpretation of 対!
   96. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory)  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 09:31 AM (#2533485)
Monday -- 8-10 minutes

Me too...but then I don't use the "Across" clues. Arf!
   97. Slinger Francisco Barrios (Dr. Memory)  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 09:33 AM (#2533491)
Every time I see Julio I picture him reading a Wall Street Journal.

Yes, upside-down.
   98. PreservedFish  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 10:28 AM (#2533556)
* I need to use my dictionary and occassionally other reference books after Wednesday.


But that's cheating, right?
   99. robinred  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 10:30 AM (#2533557)
But that's cheating, right?


Not sure. Andy and Gaelan will know, though.
   100. Shooty Did Not Kill McGurk  Posted: September 20, 2007 at 10:33 AM (#2533563)
Corssword puzzles. Jumbles. They're cool, I guess. But I like my word games more REAL! It's October! Word search time!
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