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Thursday, May 01, 2008

SNY: Salfino: Yanks handling of Hughes questionable

A team must decide whether they will invest in guys like Hughes, who have decent prospects for greatness. This necessarily means that there will be pain along the way. It seems obvious, but it’s easy to forget as the bad outings pile up. You pay now so you can profit later.

Learning how to overcome failure and, more precisely, the fear of failure is the biggest hurdle for the professional athlete. Hughes, for example, knows how to pitch. He’s been doing that his whole life. He now needs to learn how to pitch against the best hitters in the world. That can’t happen in the minors, where he’s already dominated.

Only bad things can happen there. If he pitches well, big deal. He’s proved nothing that will aid him when he again steps on the big-league mound. And if he gets hit in the minors, then you really have a crisis.

This isn’t conjecture. There’s 100 years of science supporting it. It’s called the Yerkes-Dodson Law and it was first postulated in 1908.

The law says that what we understand as “the zone” in sports is really an arousal curve. Performance for all of us, not just athletes (but especially athletes), improves as we are mentally excited, even fearful. The pulse quickens and our focus narrows; time seems to slow down. This is our body’s way of sharpening us for battles that were once literally life or death.

Yerkes-Dodson...which became Yerkes-Oscar Gamble, I believe. Good deal!

Repoz Posted: May 01, 2008 at 12:49 PM | 31 comment(s)
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   1. Cowboy Popup Posted: May 01, 2008 at 01:19 PM (#2765401)
But the sound bite that the ignoramuses have walked away with is, "The Yankees think Hughes is better than Santana."

Hey look Baudib, you're famous!
   2. Hal Chase Headley Lamarr Hoyt Wilhelm (ACE1242) Posted: May 01, 2008 at 01:38 PM (#2765432)
what we understand as “the zone” in sports

Sorry, but I'm not part of this "we" of whom you speak. "How We Know What Isn't So" needs wider circulation.
   3. Bob "Jugement" Dernier Posted: May 01, 2008 at 01:45 PM (#2765441)
what we understand as “the zone” in sports is really an arousal curve


Can't understand how that got past the nanny.
   4. Nathan Kunkel Posted: May 01, 2008 at 01:58 PM (#2765461)
well put. Greg Maddux was 6-14 at age 21, with both a terrible ERA and WHIP. Glavine's first full starter season saw him go 7-17.
   5. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates) Posted: May 01, 2008 at 02:10 PM (#2765481)
I've been thinking this through a little, and I sort of like the fact that the Yanks used lateral thinking (sending Hughes to the DL for 15 days so he regains his peace of mind, while also not blowing an option year) to deal with this issue.

Other than that, I've got nothing....
   6. JPWF13 Posted: May 01, 2008 at 02:17 PM (#2765492)
Learning how to overcome failure and, more precisely, the fear of failure is the biggest hurdle for the professional athlete. Hughes, for example, knows how to pitch. He’s been doing that his whole life. He now needs to learn how to pitch against the best hitters in the world. That can’t happen in the minors, where he’s already dominated.

Only bad things can happen there. If he pitches well, big deal. He’s proved nothing that will aid him when he again steps on the big-league mound.


1: Hughes problem isn't fear of failure, it's that he simply is not throwing the way he did before he got hurt last year.
2: The way Hughes is throwing NOW, he'll get lit up in AAA too.

My 2 cents- either Hughes needs some intensive time with a pitching coach and a video screen (showing him now he himself used to throw)- or he's been hiding an injury (and he wouldn't be the first)

If he's not hurt, then time in AAA may help him get his act back together again- plus he's got all of 29ip in AAA under his belt anyway
   7. Josh Posted: May 01, 2008 at 02:21 PM (#2765503)
Wiki:
The Yerkes-Dodson Law is an empirical relationship between arousal and performance, originally developed by psychologists, Robert M. Yerkes and J. D. Dodson in 1908.
I'm way too old to chuckle when I read that. I disappoint myself.
   8. RMc is the President of the United States Posted: May 01, 2008 at 02:22 PM (#2765505)
"The Yankees think Hughes is better than Santana."

Nonsense. "Steal Away" is a good song, but it ain't no "Black Magic Woman".
   9. Mike Emeigh Posted: May 01, 2008 at 02:47 PM (#2765552)
I thought that the law had something to do with these guys.

-- MWE
   10. jwb Posted: May 01, 2008 at 04:41 PM (#2765771)
Yeah, Mike, I could see Yerkes, but if he was working on something with Dodson in the aughts, they'd have something else to tell us about.
   11. The Tailor of the Garden of Tea (Crispix Attacks) Posted: May 01, 2008 at 04:55 PM (#2765795)
How will this affect his Hall of Fame chances?
   12. Randy Jones Posted: May 01, 2008 at 05:01 PM (#2765808)
How will this affect his Hall of Fame chances?

Sorry, no. We were actually looking for "How does this affect Frank Tanana?". Thanks for playing, though, and good luck next time.
   13. Cowboy Popup Posted: May 01, 2008 at 05:16 PM (#2765838)
Hughes has a stress fracture of (in? on?) a rib per Girardi.

Head nod to RLYW for the info.
   14. Greg Pope Posted: May 01, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#2765873)
sending Hughes to the DL for 15 days so he regains his peace of mind, while also not blowing an option year

I don't get the "not blowing an option year" part. Your option years are your first X (three?) years in the Majors, regardless of whether you're optioned (or how many times you're optioned) during that year. Aren't they?
   15. JJ1986 Posted: May 01, 2008 at 05:45 PM (#2765881)
I don't get the "not blowing an option year" part. Your option years are your first X (three?) years in the Majors, regardless of whether you're optioned (or how many times you're optioned) during that year. Aren't they?

No, they aren't. Once you're added to the 40-man roster, an option year is any year in which you get optioned down to the minors. Dave Bush for example was just optioned down this year. I think they can last forever.
   16. kevin Posted: May 01, 2008 at 05:46 PM (#2765884)
Hughes is another of those Yankees IL-inflated prospects.
   17. Greg Pope Posted: May 01, 2008 at 05:50 PM (#2765887)
Once you're added to the 40-man roster, an option year is any year in which you get optioned down to the minors. Dave Bush for example was just optioned down this year. I think they can last forever.

So the Cardinals could option Pujols right now? I'm surprised, but I admit that I don't know much about it.
   18. JJ1986 Posted: May 01, 2008 at 05:53 PM (#2765891)
So the Cardinals could option Pujols right now? I'm surprised, but I admit that I don't know much about it.


I think so. There is some point after which a player cannot be optioned down without his consent. It might be 6-years service time.
   19. Templeusox has Red-State Street Cred Posted: May 01, 2008 at 05:57 PM (#2765894)
So, wait, Will Carroll was wrong in his column today when he said the Yankees were faking the injury? Will Carroll..wrong...wow. I thought I'd never see the day.
   20. Sparkles Peterson Posted: May 01, 2008 at 06:11 PM (#2765915)
Will Carroll's extensive medical training lets him down again. >.<
   21. rLr Violated Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) Posted: May 01, 2008 at 06:26 PM (#2765924)
Hughes is another of those Yankees IL-inflated prospects.

Eastern League, Colonel. He hardly played in the International League.
   22. kevin Posted: May 01, 2008 at 06:27 PM (#2765926)
Will Carroll's extensive medical training lets him down again. >.<
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??? Will's dad was a doctor, which is really the same thing as going to medical school.
   23. Joe Bivens, Lightning Rod Posted: May 01, 2008 at 06:32 PM (#2765929)
Except Will's dad never spoke to Will.
   24. dlf Posted: May 01, 2008 at 06:45 PM (#2765937)
??? Will's dad was a doctor, which is really the same thing as going to medical school.


Not a medical doctor. Dr. William Carroll holds a PhD from U.S. Sports Academy www.ussa.edu/about/index.asp. ("The United States Sports Academy is an independent, non-profit, accredited, special mission sports university created to serve the nation and the world with programs in instruction, research and service. The role of the Academy is to prepare men and women for careers in the profession of sports.") He also holds a JD from Birmingham College of Law, an unacredited law school. But he has never passed the bar exam and instead chose to move forward with a doctorate in ankle taping and jock strap fitting.

He is listed as "Professor of Human Performance and Exercise Science and Director of Athletic Training Education Program" at Mobile University, a small private religious college in Alabama.
   25. philoye Posted: May 01, 2008 at 06:47 PM (#2765938)
Well, the plot thickens... Hughes has a stress fracture in one of his ribs.
   26. Sparkles Peterson Posted: May 01, 2008 at 08:22 PM (#2765996)
You have to wonder just how much patience The Boss's Kid is going to have with Cashman if they crank out a nice long losing streak soon and fall way behind in the race. He doesn't strike me as someone who is going to wait until July to decide whether the gameplan is working.
   27. The Tailor of the Garden of Tea (Crispix Attacks) Posted: May 01, 2008 at 08:41 PM (#2766009)
You have to wonder just how much patience The Boss's Kid is going to have with Cashman if they crank out a nice long losing streak soon and fall way behind in the race. He doesn't strike me as someone who is going to wait until July to decide whether the gameplan is working.

I can imagine him being convinced that they need to bring back the real architect of the dynasty, Gene Michael.
   28. RB in NYC (Now with an Australian Itinerary!) Posted: May 02, 2008 at 12:03 AM (#2766150)
You have to wonder just how much patience The Boss's Kid is going to have with Cashman if they crank out a nice long losing streak soon and fall way behind in the race. He doesn't strike me as someone who is going to wait until July to decide whether the gameplan is working.
Of course, it's a two-man show. Hal--the younger, less media hungry and arguably more sensible one--has to go along with these things too. So it's not as sample as Hank blowing a gasket and sending Cash packing. Although no one seems to remember this half the time, myself included.
   29. the large father Posted: May 03, 2008 at 07:25 AM (#2767679)
You gotta love how in his follow up article, Carroll's link to an "MRI" is actually a CT scan.
   30. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 03, 2008 at 08:48 AM (#2767686)
So the Cardinals could option Pujols right now?

Pujols does have option years, but he also has too much service time for any time to ever take advantage of them.
   31. rfloh Posted: May 03, 2008 at 10:04 AM (#2767702)
So the Cardinals could option Pujols right now? I'm surprised, but I admit that I don't know much about it.


I think so. There is some point after which a player cannot be optioned down without his consent. It might be 6-years service time.


5 years. Any player with more than 5 years of service time cannot be removed from the roster without his permission.
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